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SunSeeker

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55. Holder is limited by Supreme Court precedent.

Tue May 8, 2012, 03:03 PM

May 2012

The reason Holder is more successful in southern states is because of the anti-poll tax laws. That is why Holder was successful in Texas. They had a law that charged $15 for the IDs, so he was able to analogize it to the old poll taxes. However, other states have been a little more sly. And their laws have been upheld by SCOTUS. As noted up the thread, the Indiana law was upheld by SCOTUS; it was the first ALEC law passed and all others were modeled after it. That is now precendent and you can bet the conservative SCOTUS will not overturn that precedent. So Holder has nothing to base his lawsuit on in those states.

It's all about the Supreme Court. That's why we need to fight that much harder to make sure Obama is reelected. A Repuke would appoint more Scalias and ruin the Supreme Court (and the U.S.) for decades.

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