Did you watch or read Obama's 2012 nomination speech? (Reply #12)

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Fri May 1, 2015, 05:29 AM

joshcryer (61,591 posts)

12. Did you watch or read Obama's 2012 nomination speech?

I know we have agreed in another forum and I fear you may malign me for saying this, but Obama has been pretty consistent with the things within his power. I think because he had Congress for less than a few months (filibuster override) he was really limited in what he could do. But what he could do, he did.

He put his focus on the ACA, and I don't fault him for that. I fault the Democrats who killed the public option, and I fault those who think he didn't try. The votes just weren't there, and it freaking sucks.

Future presidential candidates need to make it super clear that they need congress to enact anything they're discussing beyond a federal level action. It's just dishonest to run a campaign calling for random crap if they don't acknowledge they must have congress behind them.

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69 replies	Author	Time	Post
Obama should do nothing... [View all]	Drunken Irishman	May 2015	OP
Well, Obama should do nothing if he does it only to get praise.	merrily	May 2015	#1
It's not about getting praise - it's about complaining for the sake of complaining.	Drunken Irishman	May 2015	#2
I knew what you meant. I was going off your "Obama should do nothing."	merrily	May 2015	#3
Ah. I agree. I was just using hyperbolic language haha	Drunken Irishman	May 2015	#4
"That constant complaining, finding a wrong in every good thing, is maddening. "	joshcryer	May 2015	#6
You can't do a thing about the complaining, only about how you react to it.	merrily	May 2015	#7
It gets to you eventually.	joshcryer	May 2015	#10
Only if you let it. The complaining is on the complainers. The reaction to the complaining is on you	merrily	May 2015	#13
Re-read post #10.	joshcryer	May 2015	#15
Don't need to. I understood it the first time. I don't think you understood my post.	merrily	May 2015	#21
Something is always better than nothing.	joshcryer	May 2015	#5
Does it really help?	TM99	May 2015	#8
Yes.	Drunken Irishman	May 2015	#9
My mom is literally in the bottom 1% with Social Security.	joshcryer	May 2015	#14
I just don't agree.	TM99	May 2015	#19
That is a strategy for complete failure.	Adrahil	May 2015	#23
Actually, quite the opposite.	TM99	May 2015	#25
Well you keep trying that...	Adrahil	May 2015	#31
That's your prerogative.	TM99	May 2015	#39
As it is your prerogative to be an ideologue. Politics involves an opposition.	KittyWampus	May 2015	#46
I am fascinated always by the projection.	TM99	May 2015	#51
I think the Supreme Court blocked countrywide Medicaid expansion, but let's blame Obama.	Hoyt	May 2015	#35
An astute politician	TM99	May 2015	#40
Never good enough for some folks.	Hoyt	May 2015	#64
You are emotionally defending	TM99	May 2015	#66
No. I'm saying Obama will never be good enough for some people.	Hoyt	May 2015	#67
That is still about emotional defense.	TM99	May 2015	#68
Did you watch or read Obama's 2012 nomination speech?	joshcryer	May 2015	#12
I did.	TM99	May 2015	#16
I've always said he should've dropped a "legislative bomb."	joshcryer	May 2015	#18
I would have had a great deal more respect	TM99	May 2015	#20
"Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 got a lot of what they wanted"	BumRushDaShow	May 2015	#22
I am bi-racial so you can let up	TM99	May 2015	#24
What you "are" is a non sequitur	BumRushDaShow	May 2015	#28
If my racial identity is now irrelevant	TM99	May 2015	#37
Nope	BumRushDaShow	May 2015	#44
Yup!	TM99	May 2015	#48
"a smart man, a kind man, even a good man"	BumRushDaShow	May 2015	#54
Your case is faulty from the start.	TM99	May 2015	#57
I have no problem with people disagreeing with this policies	BumRushDaShow	May 2015	#61
You put quote marks around gay rights, Obama advanced 'gay rights' you said, dismissing the worth	Bluenorthwest	May 2015	#62
You so misunderstand my posts,	TM99	May 2015	#69
Exactly BRDS.	Cha	May 2015	#49
Excellent post. "He has consistently governed as a Reagan Democrat."	woo me with science	May 2015	#29
I call bullshit on your "reagun democrat" label.. it's just a nasty cheap ignorant pot shot. It	Cha	May 2015	#34
Call away but you are wrong.	TM99	May 2015	#38
No, you're wrong.. all you have is a clueless label. You haven't been paying attention.	Cha	May 2015	#45
I backed up my 'clueless label' with facts	TM99	May 2015	#53
No, you didn't.. keep digging.	Cha	May 2015	#55
I see you have nothing then.	TM99	May 2015	#58
Here, have a lookie	BumRushDaShow	May 2015	#63
Where are your facts?	Octafish	May 2015	#59
Where in this oft-cited interview quote	BumRushDaShow	May 2015	#52
Read the linked to article.	TM99	May 2015	#56
The article has been around along time	BumRushDaShow	May 2015	#60
More manipulative Third Way talking points.	woo me with science	May 2015	#11
While you attempt to reframe every topic on which you disagree as 'Third Way'.	randome	May 2015	#41
How long has Congress done nothing and how do we feel about that?	liberal N proud	May 2015	#17
Welcome to DU3!	freshwest	May 2015	#26
"In a Heavy-bottom pot"	BumRushDaShow	May 2015	#30
Adorable pic, fresh.. me I use my awesome air popper..	Cha	May 2015	#33
Obama applied for the job. The job is very difficult. A lot of money was spent, a lot of effort -	djean111	May 2015	#27
Yeah, the anonymous internet wouldn't have been jumping on to complain about what the	Cha	May 2015	#32
And once something gets don	fadedrose	May 2015	#36
But if he does nothing and DU doesn't complain	Capt. Obvious	May 2015	#42
I'm sure DIrish would love not to have to read the constant whining about nothing.	Cha	May 2015	#47
I don't think he should, or does, make any decision based on what	morningfog	May 2015	#43
K&R a whole bunch!!!!!	Homer Wells	May 2015	#50
I hope my thoughts didn't come across as complaining.	KMOD	May 2015	#65

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