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eloydude

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147. Exactly. I was an Edwards supporter in 2008.

Fri May 1, 2015, 09:36 AM

May 2015

Before the Hunter scandal, and after he dropped out because of the scandal, I had to take a long look at both candidates and waited for the debates, and ultimately decided to join the Obama camp, unexciting as he was, but he seemed to be the winner.

I don't cling on people and stubbornly stay there. I take a long look at their policies and records, and decide if he's worthy of my time. Some aren't, but only a select few can hold my interest.

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"I know Bernie can't win, but..." [View all] MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 OP

I don't think Sanders will win and I don't think Hillary is scared. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #1

I don't think Hillary can win. Bonobo Apr 2015 #6

You can vote however you like for whatever reason. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #8

Awwww. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #11

I like Sanders but I just don't think he can win. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #13

I don't think Hillary can win. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #18

Well we will find out. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #22

Or maybe not shaayecanaan May 2015 #83

Anything is possible but I think she will win this time. hrmjustin May 2015 #84

You remind me of the guy who lost big bucks betting on a re-run of a football game. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #238

You have a pleasant weekend. hrmjustin May 2015 #239

You too, Justin. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #242

She was rejected in favor of the first serious black Presidential candidate. staggerleem May 2015 #204

So we are calling Sen Sanders a "cranky old white guy"? Really? Already? nm rhett o rick May 2015 #244

We found out awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #98

And Reagan lost the Republican nomination in 1976... brooklynite May 2015 #142

But Reagan's political philosophy was ascendant at the time. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #150

I don't think Hillary can win either. I think Bernie will get the all important Independent vote sabrina 1 May 2015 #74

I would like to believe that, but most Independents are Republicans too ashamed to admit it. Hoyt May 2015 #88

Where did you get that 'most Independents are Republicans? Since 2008 eg, Democrats have lost sabrina 1 May 2015 #91

We are unlikely to get the opportunity to find out, but I doubt Independents are going to Hoyt May 2015 #122

This unaffiliated voter will "swing for Sanders." A Simple Game May 2015 #195

Gallop disagrees with you. Independent registration is now at the highest it has ever been sabrina 1 May 2015 #207

I thought that a large chunk of people here were really "Independent" voters Mnpaul May 2015 #267

You sound pretty sure of that. bvf May 2015 #100

Anything posted without a link is an opinion. But you can look it Hoyt May 2015 #120

I'm not aware of any polls bvf May 2015 #123

Just know a lot of" Independents" who are not going to vote for Sanders, Hoyt May 2015 #124

I'll vote for the nominee, regardless. bvf May 2015 #127

I think he'll make debates more interesting. Truthfully, I would love to see us like Scandanavian Hoyt May 2015 #128

I am an Independent bullsnarfle May 2015 #156

Except the "all important Independent vote" isn't that important... brooklynite May 2015 #148

Independents are registering Democrat to support Sen Sanders. rhett o rick May 2015 #245

"Most states don't allow non-Democrats to vote." Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #264

Bernie will NOT run as a 3rd party candidate! staggerleem May 2015 #208

I didn't say that. I said he will get the Independent vote, as Obama did in 2008. sabrina 1 May 2015 #211

Actually she can and will if nominated as long as we get 5% more votes than the thieves NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #201

I'm voting for Bernie - I can't trust Clinton... eloydude Apr 2015 #19

If she wins the nomination will you vote for Clinton? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Apr 2015 #24

Yes.. but with 1% euthanism eloydude Apr 2015 #25

ok. well I disagree with you her support is soft. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #26

Wait till the first Democratic debates start.. eloydude Apr 2015 #32

He won't change my mind. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #33

And why not? eloydude Apr 2015 #36

I will support him if he wins the nomination. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #38

I don't think she is... eloydude Apr 2015 #41

My mind is made up. Enjoy DU. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #42

Before the first debate, bvar22 May 2015 #222

Yes. hrmjustin May 2015 #225

"Think about who you really want in your heart." brooklynite May 2015 #149

Let me help you with this. A Simple Game May 2015 #200

Prove it... brooklynite May 2015 #205

Just for a quick and easy answer see the last election. A Simple Game May 2015 #214

Colorado voters voted down a personhood amendment... brooklynite May 2015 #220

"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #270

Many on DU are always looking back and wonder why things never get any better. A Simple Game May 2015 #297

Who cares about the debates anyway? Helen Borg May 2015 #252

What a bizarre response. And perplexing. You mean to say that you are so entrenched... Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #43

No I doubt it at all. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #44

I respect that. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #54

Thank you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #55

Good for you, it's not everyone that could reach that level of commitment A Simple Game May 2015 #202

We know who might run and my support is locked in. hrmjustin May 2015 #203

Justin and his ilk think Hillary DESERVES to win.... AlbertCat May 2015 #94

Blinders. Typical of many around these parts. n/t. bvf May 2015 #101

Almost as antithetical as telling people to shutup and get on board. NuclearDem May 2015 #146

Almost as antithetical as telling people to shutup and get on board. AlbertCat May 2015 #160

Exactly. I was an Edwards supporter in 2008. eloydude May 2015 #147

I don't think you know what you are talking about. hrmjustin May 2015 #168

Perhaps before make assumptions about me you should ask. AlbertCat May 2015 #173

The Hrc room is for supporters only. hrmjustin May 2015 #176

The Hrc room is for supporters only. AlbertCat May 2015 #190

The other host banned you because you mocked us. hrmjustin May 2015 #191

I didn't ban you either, but I tell you what OKNancy May 2015 #219

Thank you Nancy! hrmjustin May 2015 #221

I would expect I would be removed from the group. I should be. AlbertCat May 2015 #273

I will awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #99

Keep in mind in '08 the media claimed it would be Hillary vs Rudy. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #56

Hillary was running against Obama that time, not Bernie Sanders. nt rep the dems May 2015 #61

The point is inaccurate media prognostication. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #78

It's a bit of an oversimplification rep the dems May 2015 #93

The media had those two as the favorites from very early on.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #103

I remember it well. The media was pathetic then too. Enthusiast May 2015 #137

"Favorites" doesn't mean the same thing as "definites." rep the dems May 2015 #188

In the last election every Republican had a turn at being the favorite.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #209

I don't believe she will either. Pauldg47 May 2015 #60

Of course not BainsBane May 2015 #112

That's not it (besides, there are more women voters!) Bonobo May 2015 #114

Hillary's chances of winning are about as good as John Kerry PatrynXX May 2015 #228

Bernie has a 110% chance of winning ucrdem Apr 2015 #48

Indeed. A great man but I just can't support him. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #49

Why? nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #50

I don't think he can win. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #51

Do you like McDonalds? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #57

No. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #58

Oh good, so you aren't into following the crowd. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #72

No I don't go with the crowd. hrmjustin May 2015 #76

I was a proud Kucinich supporter in '08. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #79

Good man. hrmjustin May 2015 #81

Saying you wont vote for a candidate because you dont think he can win seltzerwater May 2015 #66

I think electability is important. hrmjustin May 2015 #67

Your analogy fails... brooklynite May 2015 #151

But you the media is what has you feeling "certain" about certain candidates and issues... cascadiance May 2015 #167

Really? You advocate not voting for the best candidate in the primaries? A Simple Game May 2015 #210

Was Walter Mondale the best candidate to beat Reagan in 1984? brooklynite May 2015 #212

The majority of Democrats thought so and at that time that included me. What proof do you have that A Simple Game May 2015 #217

FWIW, Mondale was the FOURTH candidate I supported in 1984. brooklynite May 2015 #218

The problem is if they can't even get a majority of Democrats to vote for them A Simple Game May 2015 #232

is like not applying to college because you don't think you'll get in. AlbertCat May 2015 #275

Which of Bernies positions do you dislike or disagree? nt riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #52

Can't think of any offhand. love the guy butbhe is not my candidate. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #53

What a weird position to take. Ed Suspicious May 2015 #96

I think you'll find that people are desperate for an honest politician. Just sayin'. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #246

Like the guy who is shocked to find secrecy going on in treaty negotiations? ucrdem May 2015 #257

If you are trying to make some type of statement, please spite it out. rhett o rick May 2015 #258

If 2016 is the year America is hitting a tipping point just as Franklin Roosevelt hit a tipping geretogo May 2015 #230

ok, but I don't think he will win. hrmjustin May 2015 #231

Whenever there is a Democrat acting like a Republican the Republican will win INdemo May 2015 #233

Well we disagree. hrmjustin May 2015 #234

I am a liberal Democrat and I just cant agree with some INdemo May 2015 #259

What has she got to offer the 99% that Sen Sanders can't offer? Now ask me what rhett o rick May 2015 #241

Well I glad you have your candidate. hrmjustin May 2015 #243

"we have America's Third Way/DLC doyenne scrambling" TerrapinFlyer Apr 2015 #2

The third way boogeyman is going to get you! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #3

It already has, but things can get worse. merrily May 2015 #62

It's like stating that Ted Cruz can't win Dem2 Apr 2015 #4

Cruz can't win...Carson can't win...Fiorina can't win...Huckabee can't win...Santorum can't win... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #145

So, in summary, "shut the fuck up and get on board." NuclearDem Apr 2015 #5

Is she not? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #12

I guess it's considered impolite to say it out loud. Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #15

Maybe we can let the primary be about issues. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #17

+10000000 MaggieD May 2015 #106

Can we fight for it without taking jabs at other candidates? cyberswede Apr 2015 #7

For some it's not about any message Andy823 Apr 2015 #9

It's even possible BainsBane May 2015 #125

It happened with some senator from Illinois. d_legendary1 May 2015 #229

Oh, god! Are we in for the "I don't feel no ways tired" faux southern accent again? Divernan May 2015 #269

For some the entire point is to attack other candidates. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #59

Not after a month of other candidate's supporters jeff47 May 2015 #193

. . . but does Bernie think he can win? Does Bernie WANT to win? ucrdem Apr 2015 #10

It's all a BIG mystery! Just WTF is Bernie Sanders doing? Is he to be trusted?!?! stillwaiting May 2015 #144

We are constantly lectured to believe that liberal candidates can't win votes. woo me with science Apr 2015 #14

^^^^^^^That right there^^^^^^^^^^ BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #34

There's no Clinton dynasty, come on man StarzGuy Apr 2015 #45

+1000 GoneFishin Apr 2015 #46

+1, yep-- if liberal policy is such a loser, why pretend to be liberals during the campaigns? /nt Marr May 2015 #165

++++10000000 whereisjustice May 2015 #295

Actually, Hillary announced first, so... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #16

Bernie is saying how he has been living is life. Hillary is not. merrily May 2015 #64

Actually, "Clintoncare" wasn't the Heritage plan. jeff47 May 2015 #194

Heritage Care (individual mandate) was created in response to Nixon's employer mandate plan. merrily May 2015 #197

Probably depends on which one - there was a response to "Billarycare" that came out after it. jeff47 May 2015 #199

LOL - stop, you'll give the purists a stroke! MaggieD May 2015 #107

the combined brainpower of every 3rd wayer PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #20

On Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:26 PM an alert was sent on the following post: zeemike May 2015 #65

Looks like the alerter just admitted that 3rd wayers are PowerToThePeople May 2015 #75

Bernie can win BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #21

He will appeal to the people who don't have a lot Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2015 #27

He can't win primaries if he can't get on the ballot. nt ucrdem Apr 2015 #28

Are you saying that the party honchos will do what they can to keep him off ballots to help Hillary? DJ13 May 2015 #80

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #89

that far and father Bugenhagen May 2015 #90

If he doesn't take that (I) off his name.... MaggieD May 2015 #108

And they object to the word 'authoritarian', lol. /nt Marr May 2015 #171

I hope so BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #37

"he's running to win" Phlem Apr 2015 #30

Even his announcement was so informal BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #35

Explain how...nobody else will brooklynite May 2015 #152

He's going to run like a liberal, just like Barack Obama did BrotherIvan May 2015 #163

Barack Obama may have run like a liberal... brooklynite May 2015 #172

I know, he's not a "serious" candidate because he doesn't have a war chest BrotherIvan May 2015 #178

A sad commentary perhaps... brooklynite May 2015 #183

Ok, but I really, truly hope you're wrong BrotherIvan May 2015 #186

I'm voting for Hillary. I have stock in McDonnel-Douglas and Exxon. Hoppy Apr 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #31

There is nothing wrong with stating what one believes is the likely outcome. phleshdef Apr 2015 #39

Oh good another one... one_voice Apr 2015 #40

I will most likely vote for Sanders in the primary however, StarzGuy Apr 2015 #47

I'm curious to see what kind of bump he has in the polls, KMOD May 2015 #63

It's been clear to me that every person who claims to support Bernie doesn't. merrily May 2015 #68

I support Bernie but "Hillary is probably going to win" is not a negative comment about Bernie. phleshdef May 2015 #102

Saying Hillary is going to win is also saying Bernie is going to lose and that is negative. merrily May 2015 #104

Its not about reinforcement though. I'm just stating what I objectively think is likely. phleshdef May 2015 #109

You ignored everything I said, except to deny it's negative, which it clearly is, in merrily May 2015 #111

I'm not important enough to have any significant impact on others. phleshdef May 2015 #113

Rude and wrong. merrily May 2015 #115

Then why are you still using that Warren sig line? BainsBane May 2015 #69

he can't. most of the small percentage of eligible voters who actually vote are too vapid and dionysus May 2015 #70

He CAN Win McKim May 2015 #71

He CAN Win McKim May 2015 #73

Why do we need to "give Hillary the scare of her life"? brooklynite May 2015 #153

As far as I can tell, everyone on DU likes Senator Sanders. A lot. MineralMan May 2015 #235

Hey Manny - if Sanders wins the general I will personally.... MaggieD May 2015 #77

Manny has about as much respect for Bernie as Cruz does. TekGryphon May 2015 #82

+1000000000 MaggieD May 2015 #105

Yep BainsBane May 2015 #110

More manipulative Third Way talking points, woo me with science May 2015 #119

Amazingly BainsBane May 2015 #121

^^This^^ Bobbie Jo May 2015 #129

^^^^^A textbook example of the manipulation I describe in my post.^^^^^ woo me with science May 2015 #132

I am not a propaganda machine BainsBane May 2015 #166

woo woo stonecutter357 May 2015 #236

"Voters don't respond well to being insulted and treated with contempt" Dem2 May 2015 #161

I couldn't agree more BainsBane May 2015 #169

That... is comedy. Marr May 2015 #180

Yeah, it sucks BainsBane May 2015 #272

+1 Marr May 2015 #174

Is there an organization named the Third Way? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #138

Did Bernie Sanders just give a speech on what he doesn't want this election to be about? TekGryphon May 2015 #154

Does this mean you'd prefer not to answer my question? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #159

It means I don't think you have the slightest respect for Bernie or the issues he supports. TekGryphon May 2015 #162

Manny doesn't support Sanders BainsBane May 2015 #175

If you can't answer my simple question, MannyGoldstein May 2015 #184

What is your question? TekGryphon May 2015 #247

Based on the volume of diarrhea you're spraying MannyGoldstein May 2015 #256

snap BainsBane May 2015 #292

"If you can't answer my simple question" BainsBane May 2015 #291

Yes, and it bears no relation to how you and your friends use the term BainsBane May 2015 #170

Can you point to some examples where I've misused it? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #179

To insult members of this site BainsBane May 2015 #268

I take it you cannot point to examples where I've misused it? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #276

What principles of that Think Tank do the DUers who devote yourself to denouncing support? BainsBane May 2015 #280

I've asked twice for examples, but they have not been presented. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #283

Look at your own OP BainsBane May 2015 #285

Looking back at my OP, once again MannyGoldstein May 2015 #287

Another dodge BainsBane May 2015 #288

I'm getting a little bit tired of you making things up MannyGoldstein May 2015 #254

Manny, why are you financially contributing to a Third Way site? BainsBane May 2015 #177

One question at a time. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #182

I didn't ask another question BainsBane May 2015 #271

"Manny, why are you financially contributing to a Third Way site?" MannyGoldstein May 2015 #278

That is the question you evaded BainsBane May 2015 #281

LOL MannyGoldstein May 2015 #282

Still refusing to answer BainsBane May 2015 #284

*Bam* Bobbie Jo May 2015 #293

Thanks, Manny vlakitti May 2015 #85

Excellent post, Manny. Zorra May 2015 #86

Ditto ... nikto May 2015 #87

"Support Bernie but think he can't win? Keep it to yourself." zappaman May 2015 #92

I'll add "DONATE TILL IT HURTS" demwing May 2015 #95

Right on. Ed Suspicious May 2015 #97

In it to win it. Hiraeth May 2015 #116

I Think This Man Has Given This A LOT Of Thought... ChiciB1 May 2015 #117

Maybe folks can keep the Hillary bashing to themselves too oberliner May 2015 #118

"Keep it to yourself". Yeah. No. Adrahil May 2015 #126

I am certain the Senator Sanders CAN win. 99Forever May 2015 #130

I remember many in this country saying that Obama could never win. michaz May 2015 #131

That's such subtle sarcasm it seems not to be... HereSince1628 May 2015 #133

I support Bernie but think our political system is so tilted and corrupted deutsey May 2015 #134

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #135

Well, I don't think they're *very* scared. Nor should they be--yet. Orsino May 2015 #136

My heart goes out to the poor picked on and marginalized Sanders supporters. NCTraveler May 2015 #139

I find it interesting that nobody complaining bothers to explain how he CAN win... brooklynite May 2015 #140

It's a long shot, for sure. But people do realize that 'black swan' events can Nay May 2015 #189

I would argue that "anything can happen" is equally silly brooklynite May 2015 #198

I'm not saying that Bernie shouldn't try to run a good campaign -- I'm saying that he may Nay May 2015 #223

Name calling and divisiveness is what you support. Bernie wants no part of you. (nt) great white snark May 2015 #141

"Name calling"? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #143

After watching his presser yesterday I think TBF May 2015 #155

Lol, drew me right in Manny. dotymed May 2015 #157

I just sent him $100 yesterday. Greybnk48 May 2015 #158

Bernie needs to start by packing the caucuses. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #164

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #181

How? Nader's a Christian. NuclearDem May 2015 #192

Nader's Christian, what's your point? MisterP May 2015 #206

Clinton, Obama, Clinton? Yeah, NO! polichick May 2015 #185

Clinton, Obama, Clinton? Yeah,YES! stonecutter357 May 2015 #237

I don't mind people saying he can't win. It's simple free speech. RiverNoord May 2015 #187

This "scared" line seems to be the new meme brooklynite May 2015 #196

No - I haven't personally polled the Clinton organization RiverNoord May 2015 #298

On what planet are you living? Cosmocat May 2015 #215

By reasonable, I meant 'legitimate,' and, in this case legitimacy is actually going to matter more RiverNoord May 2015 #300

OK Cosmocat May 2015 #301

Sadly missing in your diatribe Cosmocat May 2015 #213

Perfect. zappaman May 2015 #290

K&R Ready to fight like hell for Bernie. raouldukelives May 2015 #216

Go ahead and laugh it up ctsnowman May 2015 #224

...he could run a third party splitter campaign and sink the Dems" Is what the GOP is thinking. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #226

It could never happen here ucrdem May 2015 #279

I'm with you, "conversations" are not enough, I'm sick to death of politics at this point, mother earth May 2015 #227

Bernie can't win. But that's not the point. Ernest Partridge May 2015 #240

Sorry Manny, but I know that Bernie SHALL win. RoccoR5955 May 2015 #248

One might think that those that are siding with Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street would rhett o rick May 2015 #249

Going to campaign even harder for Bernie, Duval May 2015 #250

Bernie can and will win. The way the electoral map shakes out there are so many solidly blue states totodeinhere May 2015 #251

Thank you, Manny. Paka May 2015 #253

ah...politics is "simple" brooklynite May 2015 #296

After Senator Sanders wins the nomination and the General Election, we will have a partay! Agony May 2015 #255

Team Hillary seems genuinely confused with all this talk about injustice and disparity... whereisjustice May 2015 #260

"Nobody but the people" trof May 2015 #261

If Hillary wins, it will be a victory for the Corporatists Stainless May 2015 #262

Didn't everyone say that about Barack Obama? raven mad May 2015 #263

Great OP, Manny! Elmer S. E. Dump May 2015 #265

Yes, let's all tear down HRC's candidacy YoungDemCA May 2015 #266

So... when will Hillary be demanding that TPP be defeated? TPP will harm women AND men whereisjustice May 2015 #294

He definitely can win. GreenEyedLefty May 2015 #274

Greece Early 2014: Syriza has NO chance....Greece 2015: Prime Minister Tsipras (Syriza) - nt democrat2thecore May 2015 #277

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT May 2015 #286

Welcome! MannyGoldstein May 2015 #289

I think he can win if they play fair fadedrose May 2015 #299