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In reply to the discussion: A 13-Year-Old's Slavery Analogy Raises Some Uncomfortable Truths in School [View all]FarCenter
(19,429 posts)265. This 13-year old's essay is in a broader political fight in Rochester
There is some sort of controversy over the appointment of a new Superintendent, who appears to be Hispanic.
It's likely that whatever the true situation, the kid is being used.
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SoCalDem
May 2012
OP
Not to mention that schools in majority black, low-income areas are just as likely to have black
HiPointDem
May 2012
#61
+1. The % of minority teachers in NYC has declined precipitously and steadily since Bloomberg.
Smarmie Doofus
May 2012
#117
Not willfully so. But a significant proportion of them are so RESENTFUL of being...
TheMadMonk
May 2012
#75
thanks for the info. the picture he painted did seem a little cardboardy...
HiPointDem
May 2012
#236
A significant proportion of white teachers are resentful of their black classes
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#162
How do you know this?....Is this the way it is in your country with Aboriginals?
whathehell
May 2012
#189
Kettled? there's no kettling. economics is all it takes to segregate people by income.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#56
kettling means to keep people within a certain area, as in kettling people during protests.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#81
No I don't think you said that. In fact I pretty much agree with you 100%.
A Simple Game
May 2012
#358
No, the adults who are striking back at her for writing her essay don't deserve
pnwmom
May 2012
#227
yeah, and when glenn beck had her on his show he said they even sent in the teachers' union
HiPointDem
May 2012
#323
I've looked all over the internet for some follow-up to this story. I can't find any. It begins
HiPointDem
May 2012
#328
See, I didn't see that *she* got any apology. All I saw was an administrator saying something
HiPointDem
May 2012
#332
"an apology for what she is going through." that's the equivalent of "I'm sorry you were offended"
HiPointDem
May 2012
#334
I agree. Sounds more like trying to blame someone else for not doing your homework. nt
Honeycombe8
May 2012
#32
From an economic standpoint its pretty close imo to what happens and thats regardless of the race of
cstanleytech
May 2012
#71
and where you have poverty you're going to have higher levels of problems, for various reasons.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#120
Even if it is, the kid is 13 years old, and at least she's thinking and writing.
Crunchy Frog
May 2012
#73
You and I probably agree about this story & for me, the last paragraph makes an
patrice
May 2012
#305
Society is being dragged back in that direction because of legions of uneducated people.
Zalatix
May 2012
#35
Every working person in america is forced to sell himself. Not unique to any race, creed or color.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#129
Sorry but that's NOT what she's saying. She's talking about the specific situation
pnwmom
May 2012
#95
that's not all she's saying. She's saying white teachers are deliberately refusing to actually
HiPointDem
May 2012
#132
This is not a debate over the merits of her essay but by the response of school administrators.
Harcourdt Fenton Mud
May 2012
#148
Correct...I went to an all white school that never had less than 60 plus kids in the class.
whathehell
May 2012
#188
This young woman was harassed, intimidated and bullied by teaching PROFESSIONALS after this...
Earth_First
May 2012
#8
Yup. Even now there are people on the other bullying thread denying this may happen.
riderinthestorm
May 2012
#69
Those White teachers who taught her how to read and write are being just like slave owners
Taitertots
May 2012
#9
douglass was taught to read by the white wife of his master. and then by white children. and
HiPointDem
May 2012
#137
Because the Rochester City School District is run by corporate talent and racism that runs deep...
Earth_First
May 2012
#13
The problem of these schools is not new, and I am sorry to see not much more progress has been made
freshwest
May 2012
#49
everyone criticizing her analogy acts like they have to be the same to be in an analogy
CreekDog
May 2012
#155
Wrong. That 8th grader should teach you what an analogy means, because you don't know.
CreekDog
May 2012
#91
it was? do you have a link for that? i've been looking and haven't been able to find any detail
HiPointDem
May 2012
#259
I already *have,* as i said. I asked for a link to the claim earth first made, because i haven't
HiPointDem
May 2012
#312
I agree with Jada, but must say that I think that this situation might apply to all students due
teddy51
May 2012
#12
what a crock of bullshit. i know some city district schoolteachers. it's their fault they have kids
dionysus
May 2012
#14
i don't blame the kids. i live in the city in question. we're basically talking about children from
dionysus
May 2012
#89
we have had crappy superintendants, and suburbians are pissed about their property taxes
dionysus
May 2012
#102
the race component is only valid if the white kids (if any) are doing well. otherwise
msongs
May 2012
#16
Yes, a white person should decide when a black person can consider something racism :sarcasm:
CreekDog
May 2012
#97
Depending upon the particular circumstances, the converse of that statement is possibly relevant too
patrice
May 2012
#205
Agreed. And though there may, ONLY may, be similarities in the respective failures of more or less
patrice
May 2012
#192
Rochester, New York has lost it's corporate sponsor and no longer has a reason to
CK_John
May 2012
#18
again, where does an analogy have to be among things that are completely the same?
CreekDog
May 2012
#157
Your definition of false analogy would apply to saying that Jews in camps were treated like slaves
CreekDog
May 2012
#197
Not just those who "aren't motivated to learn", but also about what they ARE motivated to do,
patrice
May 2012
#150
And the master's narrative is showing up on this thread too. From posters that...ummm...
HiPointDem
May 2012
#82
And 76 recs so far. It's the *teachers'* fault that the classrooms are overcrowded...
Smarmie Doofus
May 2012
#121
a number of charter school supporters on this thread. privatization is now a progressive policy,
HiPointDem
May 2012
#123
They just enjoy keeping black kids down because all white people are racists. They probably get
HiPointDem
May 2012
#83
Just fyi, and for what it's worth, the 'Frederick Douglass Foundation of New York' is a Republican
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#30
The actual website linked claims they are 'left and right' and suggest one could call them a new
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#39
there sure is a lot of that these days. all the types who stood 4-square against the civil rights
HiPointDem
May 2012
#85
The fact is you posted the story as told by the right wing. Did you post her essay in the OP?
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#194
That is factually untrue, I did not post the story as told by the right wing. I posted the essay...
joshcryer
May 2012
#316
it's certainly instructive (and amusing/infuriating) seeing them contort to co-opt her work
fishwax
May 2012
#223
I read their bullshit tenure / pension bashing which isn't the reason for this. It's class size.
joshcryer
May 2012
#317
Which leads to another question... Did this girl "really" write that paper?
MattBaggins
May 2012
#116
Hate to tell you, but 99% of working people are cog-makers for the machine as well. One way
HiPointDem
May 2012
#131
except that her explanation is the racism of white teachers as a whole, and her allies are groups
HiPointDem
May 2012
#272
If she wrote an essay that claimed public schools are no different from the holocaust . . .
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#53
If those are direct quotations from her essay, she seems to be learning very well,
JDPriestly
May 2012
#48
This OP could have been Jada speaking her own writing. Instead, it is a link to Republicans talking
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#195
Thanks for posting it, I already read it when the OP posted a sermon about it. Go to the source I sa
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#256
I'm not defending the OP. I did not post FDF's crap. I posted the essay in #98. I'm defending Jada.
joshcryer
May 2012
#319
Would you like her to teach the principles of The Frederick Douglass Foundation of New York?
harmonicon
May 2012
#66
I ask, why is her good message in need of a frame from some Republicans?
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#260
No I wouldn't, but I'm judging what she wrote, which is what I thought the OP was about
CreekDog
May 2012
#245
Of course I don't condone or agree with those statements --this is a 13 year old
CreekDog
May 2012
#268
She was obviously brought up in a home where she was taught to think for herself
pnwmom
May 2012
#104
I agree. This is amazingly thoughtful for a 13 year old, whether or not a reader would
pnwmom
May 2012
#100
For a valid analogy, modern efforts to "prevent real learning from happening" would have to be
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#110
probably. that doesn't mean her school is bad because it's populated by racist teachers, and
HiPointDem
May 2012
#124
This administration has continued and intensified the policies of "no child left behind". Why
HiPointDem
May 2012
#128
Bipartisan or even Democratic does not mean an initiative is conservative
TheKentuckian
May 2012
#208
winger fingerprints all over this story. the folks who are always telling us cases like trayvon
HiPointDem
May 2012
#250
Blaming the teachers is merely pointing out the symptoms and not understanding the disease...
Javaman
May 2012
#151
As an experiment, set up a charter school with black students and black, mostly male, teachers
FarCenter
May 2012
#152
There is a significant difference in age of puberty between blacks and whites
FarCenter
May 2012
#174
Any difference in age of puberty between black & white has to do with weight & body fat %,
HiPointDem
May 2012
#252
Since black people are victims of racism, they cannot themselves be racists.
FarCenter
May 2012
#201
If I say "I'm going to go find a black person and beat her up because she's black"
XemaSab
May 2012
#212
If you're white or Asian, you're racist; if black, no; if Latino, need more data.
FarCenter
May 2012
#215
It's essential for their survival in an institutionally racist white society
FarCenter
May 2012
#237
Beyond trust, there is the "disconnect" caused by "different cultural and historical backgrounds".
FarCenter
May 2012
#241
This focus on the "parents teaching their kids to be racist" thing for now
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#242
Choice just changes the probabilities of a bad interaction, not the possibility
FarCenter
May 2012
#266
Ah so it's ok to judge an entire race if you have the stats on your side
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#273
agreed. the involvement of parents united & the folks who gave her the prize, plus the fact
HiPointDem
May 2012
#267
Ahh... yes, the family has the backing of right-wing groups which want to destroy public education.
harmonicon
May 2012
#257
Statistics on parent satisfaction and on parent-teacher relationships would be most relevant
FarCenter
May 2012
#218
You could do it in a northern city where the mayor, council, and school board are mostly black
FarCenter
May 2012
#283
Does Atlanta have predominantly white teachers? Does it have the problem that Rochester has?
FarCenter
May 2012
#298
It's hard to find statistics on school staff racial breakdowns. No affirmative action for teachers?
FarCenter
May 2012
#304
Why are you so hung up on the idea that students can't learn from teachers of different races?
XemaSab
May 2012
#306
If it's the other guy/gal, it's ALWAYS the other guy/gal. That goes for both "sides" of any question
patrice
May 2012
#154
Agreed! in all but "... privilege is freedom." Any position that CANNOT survive without oppression
patrice
May 2012
#168
BTW, Freire is also the more widely recognized source of: "Teachers as Learners and Learners as
patrice
May 2012
#190
I understand her issue with the lack of funding and the continuing packets (busy work).
Jennicut
May 2012
#173
Not just low information voters, but also, voters with information engineered to specs
patrice
May 2012
#258
K/R and BTW, Race or Class, doesn't matter, it's about power in the hands of a few.
NYC_SKP
May 2012
#261
yes, it's certainly about the ability of power to create narratives that further its power.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#264
"The Frederick Douglass Foundation...brings the sanctity of free market and limited government ideas
HiPointDem
May 2012
#320
Pointing out the nature of the Frederick Douglass Foundation diminishes Jada? No, I don't think
HiPointDem
May 2012
#326
I'm not really interested in what some kid in Rochester writes in an essay. I don't think kids'
HiPointDem
May 2012
#331
I think people who resort to personal attacks in political discussions diminish themselves.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#341
"I'm not really interested in what some kid in Rochester writes in an essay." That's diminishment.
joshcryer
May 2012
#342
You certainly are. And words do have meanings. Easier to understand when you keep them
HiPointDem
May 2012
#343
And here's what Broad brought to Rochester: it's all about firing teachers.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#347
They're quite open about their agenda in the 4th update to the original story.
joshcryer
May 2012
#350
Rochester targeted by "Parent Revolution:" The "Parents United" Group is part of this push.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#353
Rochester City School District stats: Students = 75% poor, 65% black, 22% hispanic, 11% white,
HiPointDem
May 2012
#354