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tkmorris

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2. The problem with that chart is

Fri May 1, 2015, 02:23 PM

May 2015

It comes directly from the White House PR department. What did you think they were gonna say? The TPP kinda sucks? The devil is in the details and I haven't seen enough of those to judge the TPP yet.

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A Simple Chart to Illustrate How the TPP Improves on NAFTA [View all] BlueCaliDem May 2015 OP

simple chart for those unable to research and learn the realities cali May 2015 #1

The environmentalist have legit reasons... MaggieD May 2015 #41

I agree Andy823 May 2015 #51

The problem with that chart is tkmorris May 2015 #2

Absolutely correct! rock May 2015 #52

Logical fallacy zipplewrath May 2015 #3

Please tell me this is a joke or satire ellenrr May 2015 #4

Nope. Well, maybe for people who have trouble believing that this president actually BlueCaliDem May 2015 #13

I'm glad to know you. You're the first person i met who actually believes this. ellenrr May 2015 #18

Well meet another MaggieD May 2015 #42

I believe it because it's true - documented and all. BlueCaliDem May 2015 #43

Oy. AtomicKitten May 2015 #5

I trust the information coming out from Camp Obama, all the other camps have so many differing agendas. Fred Sanders May 2015 #6

That is such nonsense. Daemonaquila May 2015 #7

The problem with your post is, you're thinking from the fallacy that the TPP is a done deal. BlueCaliDem May 2015 #14

So drafts we're not allowed to see are not proof tblue May 2015 #54

That "PR inforgraphic" was necessary *after* the leaks. People are getting the wrong idea BlueCaliDem May 2015 #63

only 13 dem reps have come out in favor of the tpa which is indicative of support for the tpp cali May 2015 #71

Oh FFS! Nt Logical May 2015 #8

are you fucking kidding me? Tpp- bad for labor, ellenrr May 2015 #9

No. Not kidding. And consider the source you've linked to. It's a Union and Unions aren't BlueCaliDem May 2015 #44

Simple chart. I think it is too simple. Example: Protect our oceans. When we ask to see these laws jwirr May 2015 #10

The chart is straight from the White House site. It's made simple for the people currently in freak- BlueCaliDem May 2015 #46

No we cannot wait. He wants the fast-track before we see the finished docs for a reason. Why jwirr May 2015 #48

Why not give this president the same courtesy as we've given past presidents? Why is he different BlueCaliDem May 2015 #67

I think I read that we did not give Bill Clinton fast track when he was negotiating NAFTA. I may be jwirr May 2015 #70

I believe he had fast track for NAFTA but it expired after that and the republican congress refused pampango May 2015 #72

Okay. Thanks for the correction. jwirr May 2015 #73

Who exactly is going to enforce these things? DefenseLawyer May 2015 #11

Exactly n2doc May 2015 #17

Maybe this is an answer to how to use our military in other ways? jwirr May 2015 #50

You left out these......... Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #12

Just more take my word for it without proof. n/t betterdemsonly May 2015 #15

... PowerToThePeople May 2015 #16

That is a simple chart. morningfog May 2015 #19

Indeed. woo me with science May 2015 #45

And the exact reason that this is being done the way it is madokie May 2015 #20

But then, several TPP member nations don't seem to see labor and human rights HereSince1628 May 2015 #21

Should we only put labor and human rights into agreements with countries that already pampango May 2015 #35

Thanks BCD, very cool ucrdem May 2015 #22

Lololol...what a load of BS. Katashi_itto May 2015 #23

Don't you have waffles to make? BlueCaliDem May 2015 #47

here's my favorite chart on TTP propoganda... KG May 2015 #24

If past international negotiations/agreements did not work as planned, the progressive approach is pampango May 2015 #25

Good chart. Folks who are against TPP, aren't going to read it because by golly it will ship all Hoyt May 2015 #26

Read what? That conclusory chart? morningfog May 2015 #27

anti Tpp stuff is very conclusory treestar May 2015 #28

I can't imagine why anyone would think that the morningfog May 2015 #29

but not to the point where they actively treestar May 2015 #32

For real. And some people think they are actually denying science. raouldukelives May 2015 #39

no. at least for me it's based more on the reality that to corporations cali May 2015 #30

^^^this^^^ tblue May 2015 #55

No, it is based on using trade policy as foreign policy is a mistake. Motown_Johnny May 2015 #31

Corporatists need us to be middle class treestar May 2015 #33

That is what the police state is for, or haven't you noticed Motown_Johnny May 2015 #34

They would rather not have to do that treestar May 2015 #36

Why can't "Democrats" just look at Obama's successful KORUS MannyGoldstein May 2015 #37

KORUS is actually a good alliance. Hoyt May 2015 #53

For someone. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #57

They calculate lost jobs based upon a trade deficit. Truth is, a trade Hoyt May 2015 #58

Kick and happy to recommend. lamp_shade May 2015 #38

Thanks, LP. BlueCaliDem May 2015 #56

Objectively it IS an improvement on NAFTA MaggieD May 2015 #40

How would YOU know, MaggieD? cali May 2015 #49

And how do you know it will be awful? As to your comments about environmental Hoyt May 2015 #59

lol. You clearly know nothing about NRDC cali May 2015 #60

LMAO. They have members and seek donations. Hence, everything is a potential crisis. Hoyt May 2015 #61

right. Because you would know more than NRDC, The Sierra Club cali May 2015 #62

Sierra club has members. Hence, everything has to be a crisis. Hoyt May 2015 #66

There is a shit ton of info available MaggieD May 2015 #74

+1000000000000 Hoyt May 2015 #80

you have been taken to the woodshed, Mags. Did you forget your little exchanges cali May 2015 #81

You're welcome to your opinion MaggieD May 2015 #83

Obama: "Just try this one more time. I promise this time it will taste different." Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #64

Thesis statement of the dynamic that's going on now n/t Populist_Prole May 2015 #65

if this agreement includes a commitment to transparency... rbnyc May 2015 #68

When there is a final agreement, assuming it is finalized, you'll see it well before Congress votes. Hoyt May 2015 #69

This is insulting. 'Bans workplace discrimination'? That's utter nonsense, the US has legal Bluenorthwest May 2015 #75

Where In That Chart Are American Workers Protected? cantbeserious May 2015 #76

Well, I'm convinced. Who needs to see the actual agreement LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2015 #77

Republicans oppose most of the things in that chart, even in America. subterranean May 2015 #78

Where's the section for "making healthcare affordable"? lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #79

The only way to improve NAFTA is to repeal it. CanonRay May 2015 #82