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74. I've got a bunch of questions, but I'll start with

Reply to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

Fri May 1, 2015, 06:00 PM

May 2015

1. That writer saying those folks were targeted for being Pakistani is a really fuckin' inflammatory thing to dangle out there without further proof or corroboration...

2. The less said about that writer's slant and innate biases (especially his closing paragraph), the better...

3. I don't know how anyone dares run a small business without Liability, Property and Workman's Comp at the minimum, and don't anybody dare say she couldn't afford it...(In case anybody was wondering, this is the *real* nut of the story here, since this shop could have been burgled, struck by lightning, had an embezzling employee, a shady accountant, accidentally burned to the ground, sued, flooded, had some dangerously substandard/negligent work done by a contractor, suffered an accidental HAZMAT spill, had a drunk driver crash through the main window, a drunk pilot crash through their roof, etc. etc...And they'd *STILL* be in the same position, riot or no riot...)

4. How the hell do people run off with an ATM and not be seen?

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Baltimore riots: 'They even took the ATM' � Pakistani shop owner may have lost $100,000 to looters [View all] ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 OP

"If they targeted this business because it was owned by Pakistanis" KamaAina Apr 2015 #1

Can't speak to this case in Baltimore SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #5

I remember the korean guys shooting back but I don't remember them being targeted. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2015 #10

Many Vietnamese businesses Texasgal May 2015 #97

I remember watching that on CNN. NaturalHigh May 2015 #27

"Widely known"? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #110

Crickets? SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #116

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #118

Burning down anyone's business is horrible SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #120

Back to the ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #124

It's not up to me to educate you SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #126

True ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #134

Yes, it was widely known. Desert805 May 2015 #184

This is not new: XemaSab May 2015 #187

Just FYI... NaturalHigh May 2015 #189

And because a Hip Hop Artist ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #190

Interesting NY Times article from 1992: NaturalHigh May 2015 #191

No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #192

More victim blaming. Nice. NaturalHigh May 2015 #193

I did say that; but, I'll tell you a story ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #195

"One day, I" NaturalHigh May 2015 #196

No, the "One day I" was a mistake ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #197

Wow, that's really awful XemaSab May 2015 #198

That's the thing about the ghetto and poverty ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #200

Would it be better if the store wasn't there at all? XemaSab May 2015 #201

Good question ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #206

Would I shed a tear? Of course not. NaturalHigh May 2015 #199

My post has EVERYTHING to do with why ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #202

Do you have any evidence that the store owner in the OP mistreated anyone? NaturalHigh May 2015 #203

No, I don't ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #209

"are not burned by members of the community" NaturalHigh May 2015 #211

Okay. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #212

I tend to agree it wasn't because of ethnicity. Shops and cars were damaged as a group effort still_one May 2015 #204

I completely agree ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #210

Maybe because gang leaders have said in interviews XemaSab May 2015 #213

And now we believe the words of "gang members" ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #214

Did the leadership of the city meet with gang members to discuss the riots? XemaSab May 2015 #215

I don't know. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #216

As the authority on the topic Desert805 May 2015 #217

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #218

Here's my source: XemaSab May 2015 #236

I don't think 1SBM thinks "people are making it up"; 1SBM is questioning an old facile narrative Recursion May 2015 #222

Ahh! Someone has actually read what I wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #237

Many of the Korean merchants in the LA riots were specifically targeted. Xithras Apr 2015 #9

Thanks for taking the time. Desert805 May 2015 #186

Koreans were not in the wrong place at the wrong time in LA. craigmatic May 2015 #108

The rioting seemed pretty indiscriminate Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #2

Are you watching "American Crime" by chance? ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #3

No. I haven't watched that show. Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #4

Excellent! ananda Apr 2015 #6

It's incredible. Painful to watch at times, but worth it. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #11

It is good! Agschmid May 2015 #25

I'm watching. Excellent show. one_voice Apr 2015 #8

google up ... CountAllVotes Apr 2015 #7

Tell that to the elderly in that community. former9thward May 2015 #53

"The city had begged CVS to put a store in that neighborhood." NaturalHigh May 2015 #71

WTF? CountAllVotes May 2015 #146

I said the elderly were using that CVS. former9thward May 2015 #159

Pack up and simply go away would suit me just fine! CountAllVotes May 2015 #172

Look up the business relationship romanic Apr 2015 #12

So you have no evidence they were targeted because they were Pakistani Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #15

And you didn't try romanic May 2015 #17

Oh get a clue rjsquirrel May 2015 #104

So it's only racism by default against AA? Oktober May 2015 #44

they were targeted because they weren't black, because they were Chinese and Arab geek tragedy May 2015 #47

NONE here expressing sudden "concern"about ATM's or CVS's actually give a shit NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #78

So it's beyond phil89 May 2015 #109

Maybe we care about the people who aren't criminals XemaSab May 2015 #177

In a NY Times article, gang members said they directed looters... NaturalHigh May 2015 #18

I read that in a Salon article as well riderinthestorm May 2015 #21

Unfortunately I don't see this getting a lot of attention or concern here riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #13

Yep n/t SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #14

I noticed that too. NaturalHigh May 2015 #19

Particularly as they are Pakistani, and muslim. Two double whammies closeupready May 2015 #48

Brovo! Accurate comment. Calista241 May 2015 #67

Sounds familiar...... Beacool May 2015 #221

where have you been, young lady? i had some spare time this weekend, and made something for you... dionysus May 2015 #227

A banky!!!!!! Beacool May 2015 #234

Pretty much right. AngryOldDem May 2015 #225

Somebody should do a GoFundMe campaign for them. Seriously. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #16

They should sue the mayor Boudica the Lyoness May 2015 #145

Damn, that's terrible! Duppers May 2015 #20

Definitely a hate crime Harmony Blue May 2015 #22

the looters successfully purged the neighborhood of the plague of small businesses. geek tragedy May 2015 #23

Why don't they have insurance? Agschmid May 2015 #24

Depending on a policy, it can run $55k or more/year riderinthestorm May 2015 #26

$55K per year? NaturalHigh May 2015 #28

Yup. And they may not have even been able to GET insurance riderinthestorm May 2015 #33

The "long term repercussions" are still rooted in police treatment of black folks Blue_Tires May 2015 #77

Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time nt riderinthestorm May 2015 #82

You can mourn for the uninsured property loss; I'll mourn for the tragically needless dead... Blue_Tires May 2015 #84

Some of us do both. I'm sorry if that's too hard to understand riderinthestorm May 2015 #85

And some of us can fucking evaluate which one takes precedent over the other... Blue_Tires May 2015 #87

I'm bi-racial. That said, there's plenty of folks of all color concerned here riderinthestorm May 2015 #89

rider with all due respect JustAnotherGen May 2015 #105

Agreed and yes, I remember that conversation riderinthestorm May 2015 #119

I just see which side of the story you've spent all this energy arguing... Blue_Tires May 2015 #144

The property loss feeds the poverty and segregation Recursion May 2015 #223

I have my thoughts on this ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #238

Also it might not cover riots treestar May 2015 #99

Yep. Force majeure clause. Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #207

That caught my attention too yeoman6987 May 2015 #29

I don't see them OR the CVS reopening. NaturalHigh May 2015 #32

Yep. I agree. The community will be hurt for years due to this. yeoman6987 May 2015 #35

CVS can afford to write off a rebuilt (and possibly reburned) store for PR purposes nt geek tragedy May 2015 #43

Yeah, I guess, but why would they? NaturalHigh May 2015 #51

As I said, as PR expense. Generate some nice warm fuzzy stories about not giving up on geek tragedy May 2015 #55

You're assuming CNN and 60 minutes actually give a shit about this store. Calista241 May 2015 #69

I doubt the publicity is worth a million dollars Travis_0004 May 2015 #81

Bitter laugh. Watts, Detroit, Newark and other riot torn neighborhoods prove otherwise riderinthestorm May 2015 #52

Yup, that's Detroit. roamer65 May 2015 #171

Sadly I don't think they're just trolls NobodyHere May 2015 #68

Because if you own a business in a high crime area insurance is prohibitively expensive./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #37

most of these policies have force majeure clauses - so would not cover these circumstances DrDan May 2015 #38

Well there's one more store the rioters don't have to worry about. NaturalHigh May 2015 #30

Come on, sorry the store was victimized but are we expected to believe . . . brush May 2015 #31

No that's the expected amount of merchandise lost. NaturalHigh May 2015 #34

No but there is the cost of the merchandise dsc May 2015 #40

That ATM probably charged $3.00 per transaction Yavin4 May 2015 #36

so that justifies the looting? DrDan May 2015 #39

They were stealing daily from the community with that ATM Yavin4 May 2015 #60

Didn't ask if you felt sorry for them - i don't either DrDan May 2015 #61

"They were stealing daily from the community with that ATM"... NaturalHigh May 2015 #62

If the ATM fees were double what they are everywhere else, then you could say they were okaawhatever May 2015 #63

They're higher in that community n/t Yavin4 May 2015 #64

No they are not. nt Logical May 2015 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #154

So it was the ATM going out an mugging people? NobodyHere May 2015 #65

Oh FFS, really silly comparison! nt Logical May 2015 #70

Yeah you would think so treestar May 2015 #101

Because there is nothing of value to them? Only paper. n/t oneshooter May 2015 #188

Absolutely pathetic. nt B2G May 2015 #41

Great opportunity for you Lurker Deluxe May 2015 #42

Because that totally justifies destroying a family's sole source of income nt geek tragedy May 2015 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author XemaSab May 2015 #46

That's the most clueless post I've read today. NaturalHigh May 2015 #59

Then dont use it Travis_0004 May 2015 #88

Instead of looting a local business treestar May 2015 #100

200 media filming & watching looters break in and steal from the charles street businesses, & Sunlei May 2015 #49

Why was that? B2G May 2015 #50

stand down and not have any police at all at area small businesses? Sunlei May 2015 #54

Oh they were there. They watched it all happen. B2G May 2015 #57

Because "it's only property". Meanwhile she lives in a gated community. Just sayin'. WillowTree May 2015 #58

From the mayor's own mouth: XemaSab May 2015 #56

That meme gets passed around a lot NobodyHere May 2015 #66

Is it true? If so, that's really all that matters. NaturalHigh May 2015 #72

Remember conservatives harping about Al Gore's "I created the internet" guote? NobodyHere May 2015 #73

So if it's taken out of context XemaSab May 2015 #79

That by giving the protesters the space to protest ... kwassa May 2015 #92

A good friend from high school lives in a "gentrified" part of the city JustAnotherGen May 2015 #106

Maybe, but Columbia Heights in DC took 40 years to get there Recursion May 2015 #224

There's a small difference JustAnotherGen May 2015 #230

I saw Wilkerson give a talk about the re-migration (at Howard, oddly enough) Recursion May 2015 #231

If you find it - post it in the AA Group JustAnotherGen May 2015 #232

"Old Country" was a literal quote Wilkerson got from kids in Chicago Recursion May 2015 #233

I've got a bunch of questions, but I'll start with Blue_Tires May 2015 #74

Small businesses 1939 May 2015 #75

Well, they didn't even have liability, much less property... Blue_Tires May 2015 #76

How does that happen? JustAnotherGen May 2015 #112

Liability insurance almost always has force majeure clauses riderinthestorm May 2015 #128

I'll answer riderinthestorm May 2015 #80

Just a goddamned minute Blue_Tires May 2015 #86

You can ask that question of the NYT then. They first reported it. riderinthestorm May 2015 #91

The OP title implies the shop owners somehow lost their $100,000 in the ATM kwassa May 2015 #93

It's the title of the article if you follow the link riderinthestorm May 2015 #94

Maybe, maybe not. kwassa May 2015 #95

I hope so. The seniors of that community lobbied CVS for that pharmacy riderinthestorm May 2015 #96

"I hope they are successful in persuading CVS to re-build"... NaturalHigh May 2015 #98

Challenge - the insurance thing treestar May 2015 #102

No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #113

Yes, after reading the article treestar May 2015 #114

See my Post #115 n/t. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #117

Yeah, since she didn't have insurance, she definitely deserved this. NaturalHigh May 2015 #103

We need to keep this in perspective Taitertots May 2015 #83

Okay. I haven't read the article at the link; but ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #107

That's what I'm thinking too JustAnotherGen May 2015 #111

Besides ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #115

Did you read the article? NaturalHigh May 2015 #121

Righteous rant? Is that what I wrote? n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #129

100K seems a lot for a store that size treestar May 2015 #133

It adds up faster than you think. NaturalHigh May 2015 #135

$20,000 or more treestar May 2015 #137

More than I thought even. NaturalHigh May 2015 #138

Oh drat - sorry. I thought your post said "$200,000 or more." NaturalHigh May 2015 #169

I wonder if that $100K ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #139

How hard would it be for you just to B2G May 2015 #140

Not hard at all. No. ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #149

It just seems you are doing your best to minimize B2G May 2015 #151

From reading the OP title ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #158

No. You clearly haven't read the article. The $$ loss and the ATM are unrelated riderinthestorm May 2015 #161

What the HELL is "Reverse Bigotry"? 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #165

That is where a black person is ahead of a white person in line at the movie theater NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #174

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #175

The unfortunate headline implies something the article clarifies riderinthestorm May 2015 #123

Silly statements ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #131

#3 sounds right treestar May 2015 #132

one thing in your post made me have to reply.. dionysus May 2015 #228

A riot falls under force majeure. I'm sure they aren't covered in that case riderinthestorm May 2015 #122

I didn't know that. NaturalHigh May 2015 #125

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #127

I'm a small business owner with a force majeure clause in my policy. riderinthestorm May 2015 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #136

So 10 years on DU talking about my small biz are all a front for this moment? riderinthestorm May 2015 #141

How many minks and rolexes are in YOUR storeroom? B2G May 2015 #142

My husband has on hand JustAnotherGen May 2015 #168

Does he want a steel/black/blue GMT, the new one? Ask him, he will know what I mean NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #176

I apologize and have deleted that post .. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #147

Nicely done. nt B2G May 2015 #148

He has insurance: and Afrian American boy got his neck snapped! lewebley3 May 2015 #143

It is ABSURD to compare the MINIMAL property damage done when you realize NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #152

Agree: ATM and CVS are insured, and can be made whole with money! lewebley3 May 2015 #155

This thread is not about them B2G May 2015 #156

They are not wiped out: They have insurance: and the Have their lives!! lewebley3 May 2015 #163

Had insurance and were made whole 1939 May 2015 #167

They do have their lives, the boy with the snapped neck dosent have his life! lewebley3 May 2015 #170

Is Baltimore under the rule of white people? XemaSab May 2015 #173

this entire society is under the rule of white people mwrguy May 2015 #180

Who are the white people in charge in Baltimore? XemaSab May 2015 #181

Well they are only 16% of population! That put them at a disadvantage lewebley3 May 2015 #194

+1000 n/t 951-Riverside May 2015 #153

Freddie Gray was not a "boy". He was a 25 year old man. philosslayer May 2015 #219

No I actually thought he looked about 15, He just looked young! lewebley3 May 2015 #235

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #150

I'd ask ann--- May 2015 #157

i am saying, these criminals finally got up to what middle white crime steal, and get away with. seabeyond May 2015 #160

That totally makes it okay. romanic May 2015 #162

why do you do that? why do some argue in that manner? it isnt factual, it isnt a productive seabeyond May 2015 #164

Really? How much does the white middle class steal? NaturalHigh May 2015 #166

Am I reading your post as you meant it? Quantess May 2015 #229

I wonder how they treated their African American customers mwrguy May 2015 #178

Victim blaming, that's original! XemaSab May 2015 #179

Way to blame the victim. GGJohn May 2015 #182

That is a horrible thing to post. NaturalHigh May 2015 #183

Why wouldn't they take the ATM? PeteSelman May 2015 #185

Many rioters don't realize that RandySF May 2015 #205

Riots aren't a message; that's mostly a white liberal fantasy Recursion May 2015 #226

The ann--- May 2015 #208

Looters, loot. They don't care who owns the businesses they rob and burn. Beacool May 2015 #220