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RobertEarl

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48. Good thing it's not radiation

Fri May 1, 2015, 09:06 PM

May 2015

Thank you for the evidence that radiation in the Pacific is not the cause of the sardines dieing. Because if radiation was killing the sardines and sea stars ad sea lions and whales and all that, it would mean we are really screwed.

But Warren has determined that Fukushima is woo, and radiation is woo, and woo, woo, woo!! WOO!

But, the real hyperbole, you must admit, are the former claims that nukes are safe and there is no way a first world nation could have a nuclear plant blow sky-high.

Now...... just recently the Japanese released a sobering statement to the effect that it may be decades before the tech is developed that can make cleaning up Fukushima possible.

So........ good thing radiation is not deadly to the sea life in the N. Pacific. Cuz if it is..........

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EDIT: Federal Fisheries Regulators Halt West Coast Sardine Season [View all] arcane1 May 2015 OP

kick, kick, kick.... daleanime May 2015 #1

Too...many...humans. Doing too many things. Gregorian May 2015 #2

Yup BrotherIvan May 2015 #5

It WAS predicted in the 70's.... dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #7

Childless and born in 1967 here! arcane1 May 2015 #9

Part of it is, the "population problem" isn't really one, in 1st world countries with birth control. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #46

There aren't too many humans. The problem is the humans that are in charge KittyWampus May 2015 #21

So you're saying a small number of people are responsible for acidification of oceans, Gregorian May 2015 #44

So I take it you are delivering this message to the countries Warren DeMontague May 2015 #47

There are no borders. It's a matter of total numbers. Gregorian May 2015 #71

No, it isn't. That's another completely ludicrous assertion, that global population is somehow Warren DeMontague May 2015 #74

Obviously one goes where they can make the biggest impact. That's academic. Gregorian May 2015 #75

Okay, making this a better planet, yes. But if you are talking about 1st world countries with access Warren DeMontague May 2015 #77

i agree with you because this problem with more than one issue needs to be addressed differently jwirr May 2015 #79

You will get no argument from me, on any of that. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #88

If the economic royalists were selling a better way, we would buy it Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #58

OK Shirley.... 840high May 2015 #66

Forgiven... Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #68

Well the article in the OP seems to blame Fukushima. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #28

I definitely picked the wrong link to post on this topic :) arcane1 May 2015 #31

so which part is not true? questionseverything May 2015 #80

uh oh. Pickled sardine prices will skyrocket ErikJ May 2015 #3

Collectively as a species, we are morons. GoneFishin May 2015 #4

There's no mystery to boom and bust sardine populations. sufrommich May 2015 #6

Does this mean we're all not gonna die? B2G May 2015 #17

No, we're still all gonna die. sufrommich May 2015 #18

Damn. Back to smoking. B2G May 2015 #20

. arcane1 May 2015 #33

You only say that because everyone had died so far... Salviati May 2015 #37

Right, and climate change is natural. The ocean's problems go a lot further KittyWampus May 2015 #22

I'm not making the claim that climate change is natural sufrommich May 2015 #26

I linked to an LATimes article just below. Scientists aren't certain what part overfishing plays KittyWampus May 2015 #35

I also think that the ocean, being a system, may not be subject to either/or black/white dichotomies Warren DeMontague May 2015 #41

Very well said! KittyWampus May 2015 #70

Sorry, i stopped with the article when they tried to blame it on Fukushima. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #27

Well, here's an article from the LATimes that has no mention of "woo-Fukushima": KittyWampus May 2015 #34

Not being a "climate change denier", I wouldn't know. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #39

If ocean conditions are not favourable PowerToThePeople May 2015 #23

Is this the Gyre? It's like a gigantic plastic tarp thrown over miles of ocean. KittyWampus May 2015 #30

+1 pinto May 2015 #52

More species will follow as the collapse spreads up the foodchain. procon May 2015 #8

The decline in both sardine and herring fisheries in Pacific Ocean is killing truedelphi May 2015 #10

It was my earlier post about the pups that got me digging deeper into this arcane1 May 2015 #11

It was good to see your article about the fisheries. truedelphi May 2015 #73

I was wondering what was going on with the seals. This is terrible. liberal_at_heart May 2015 #12

Which is why many large, western coastal streams/major tribs are..... Chakaconcarne May 2015 #45

That is very important information to add to the discussion. n/t truedelphi May 2015 #72

Sardine populations crash periodically. Hasn't anybody been to Monterey? LeftyMom May 2015 #13

Unfortunately, the sea lions are suffering from this too arcane1 May 2015 #14

There is most likely a correlation,but that is not proof sufrommich May 2015 #24

It's at least as likely that the cause of the sea lion problem is warm water due to the drought. LeftyMom May 2015 #36

The guy who wrote the article referenced in the OP is this guy: sufrommich May 2015 #15

Here's the link to the original AP story about the Fed closure: arcane1 May 2015 #25

Obviously Fukushima is to blame. zappaman May 2015 #16

And this is why the Live Earth Festival should have been vegan. KittyWampus May 2015 #19

Starfish are melting, too! Warren DeMontague May 2015 #29

Edited arcane1 May 2015 #32

Fair 'nuff. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #38

I do! If I had bothered to, you know, READ the entire thing, it would've never been posted. arcane1 May 2015 #40

No worries. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #42

'Twasn't my first time, and surely not my last. arcane1 May 2015 #43

Good thing it's not radiation RobertEarl May 2015 #48

So--if one rejects ANY piece of overblown Fukushima hyperbolic bullshit, one must love fission power Warren DeMontague May 2015 #49

No it's all woo RobertEarl May 2015 #50

Straw man. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #51

is radiation good for sardines? Or bad? RobertEarl May 2015 #54

Fukushima is a real problem for the local area. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #55

You think? RobertEarl May 2015 #56

Yes, of course they have. They can detect absolutely infinitesimal amounts. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #57

That may, may not be true RobertEarl May 2015 #60

Fukushima is a clusterfuck. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #67

Hey, we could try this guys idea... Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #61

We have, inadvertently RobertEarl May 2015 #62

Damn billionaires and warmakers raping and destroying the earth, then they blame it on us. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #63

Yeah, they made a huge mess of it RobertEarl May 2015 #64

Fucking HUGE! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #65

No more swallows in the winter, either Major Nikon May 2015 #76

... Warren DeMontague May 2015 #78

Heh, this is where that comes from RobertEarl May 2015 #81

A bit about the sea stars RobertEarl May 2015 #82

Trick question. Yeah, that's it. Major Nikon May 2015 #83

Poster said they all lived in WV RobertEarl May 2015 #84

... Major Nikon May 2015 #85

See? RobertEarl May 2015 #86

OK Major Nikon May 2015 #87

Thanks for the edit. pinto May 2015 #53

Thanks! Haste does indeed make waste :) arcane1 May 2015 #59

Thanks Obama treestar May 2015 #69