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In reply to the discussion: My dears, you are just being paranoid about corporations and the TPP [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)27. "except very little in the TPP actually deals with traditional trade issues"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6601781
So what is the point of making that argument? Who cares if it doesn't deal with "traditional trade issues" if "traditional trade issues" aren't actually the things that are hampering trade with the majority of TPP countries?
As far as environmental degredation, the question is whether it will be worse or better without TPP. TPP does contain environmental regulations in it, which if enforced, would actually improve the situation versus the status quo.
Also, most TPP countries are wealthy, meaning this is a different situation than NAFTA. The notable exception is Vietnam, but the big economies in the deal are places like Japan and South Korea. Do you think TPP is going to cause Japan and Korea to pollute more?
Re: Japan, I honestly don't know enough to say exactly how the non-tariff barriers work, I've read that they are strategically designed regulations that intentionally have the effect of greatly increasing costs to importers, but you shouldn't take my word on that. But, I don't think other countries have had much better luck than the US exporting to Japan. I googled up this link, it's from the American Auto Council, so bear that in mind, but unless it is outright lying, only 3.9% of Japan's domestic auto market are imports.
http://americanautocouncil.org/sites/default/files/Japans%2BProtected%2BAuto%2BMarket.pdf
So what is the point of making that argument? Who cares if it doesn't deal with "traditional trade issues" if "traditional trade issues" aren't actually the things that are hampering trade with the majority of TPP countries?
As far as environmental degredation, the question is whether it will be worse or better without TPP. TPP does contain environmental regulations in it, which if enforced, would actually improve the situation versus the status quo.
Also, most TPP countries are wealthy, meaning this is a different situation than NAFTA. The notable exception is Vietnam, but the big economies in the deal are places like Japan and South Korea. Do you think TPP is going to cause Japan and Korea to pollute more?
Re: Japan, I honestly don't know enough to say exactly how the non-tariff barriers work, I've read that they are strategically designed regulations that intentionally have the effect of greatly increasing costs to importers, but you shouldn't take my word on that. But, I don't think other countries have had much better luck than the US exporting to Japan. I googled up this link, it's from the American Auto Council, so bear that in mind, but unless it is outright lying, only 3.9% of Japan's domestic auto market are imports.
http://americanautocouncil.org/sites/default/files/Japans%2BProtected%2BAuto%2BMarket.pdf
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And for I while I thought that you really wanted to have an intelligent discussion about TPP...
DanTex
May 2015
#12
gee, becuse I haven't posted dozens and dozens of substantive, informative ops about it
cali
May 2015
#15
And we can thank god for that very caring court clerk ex railroad company president Bancroft Davis!
cascadiance
May 2015
#54
The trade deficit increased after nafta and cafta, and it will increase even more under
Dont call me Shirley
May 2015
#25
I didn't say it's not about trade. Many people have pointed out that it is primarily
cali
May 2015
#22
But I still can't get out of the delusion and lies the liberal media have taught me about how
Dont call me Shirley
May 2015
#20
Cali, In deed the corporations do benefit the people. It is just bad that the 99% are not people
LiberalArkie
May 2015
#30
NAFTA was fabulous. Free Trade lifts all boats. This will be even greater than NAFTA.
Overseas
May 2015
#44