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struggle4progress

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Sat May 2, 2015, 10:24 AM May 2015

Some advice for Sanders supporters [View all]

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Many of us are yellow dog Ds who will cheerfully support whoever rises to the top of the primary heap because, frankly, the Rs nowadays are stark raving nutjobs. Right now, I'm hoping Clinton and Sanders won't be my only choices in next year's primary, but I'll be hitting the streets hard for GOTV no matter who our nominee is.

It is essential to turn out our voters in November 2016 because we need Ds not only in the Oval Office but in the statehouses and Congress as well. This means we really can't afford bloody primary battles: when the primaries are over, we need to be able to coalesce quickly against the bonkers berserkers

It's reasonable to expect Clinton to attract big donors and to run fairly traditional and expensive media-intensive campaigns. Sanders will have much less money and will need to run grassroots campaigns with costs offset by considerable volunteer manpower. No matter how much money you can give Sanders, he will need a lot of volunteers.

Clinton's advisers may aim at the big electoral vote states, since the political establishment seems to have dumped the fifty-state strategy. That may serve Clinton well -- but long-term D wins in the statehouses and Congress may be more likely under a fifty-state strategy. The fifty-state strategy served us rather well while it persisted, and Sanders might build some support by attempting to reinvigorate that strategy. Those supporting Sanders, not because they expect him to win primaries but only because they think he might force issues to the table, should realize that their ability to influence a Clinton administration could depend in part on what they might bring to a Clinton campaign in 2016 -- and therefore such Sanders supporters should think careful about how the primary fights might build D organization in states. Here it might be helpful if Sanders took some stands that effectively supported some existing grassroots movements, such as a $15/hr minimum wage, because that's both right and expedient.

We probably know how the Rs will attack Clinton from the right: she's been a visible target for years, and the Rs have warehouses full of old playbooks which they will dust off and recycle; she's been dealing with that for years, and everybody now has some idea how to handle it.

Sanders has been less of a target because he's been in a safe seat from a small state but the Rs will predictably use the word "socialist" -- which to many Americans is indistinguishable from "totalitarian." Sanders supporters need to think through responses here, and the sooner the better. The unfortunate reality is that only experience can teach what works as a response: to get the needed experience, it's necessary to talk to the public in different places, trying different things until appropriate intuition develops. Perhaps a good place to start would be to think through how to respond to inevitable questions such as, "Is Sanders a socialist?" Since the Senator has called himself a democratic socialist, you aren't allowed to accuse the questioner of red-baiting. A good answer is very short, factual, and informative: it will not be a philosophical diatribe that you yourself find emotionally satisfying but it will relate a concrete and practical aspect about (say) the Senator's stand on a living wage, medical care, or public education. It's impossible to predict in advance what works without some experience with the public -- and that experience will differ from place to place: an answer that works great in Burlington VT (for example) may bomb in Ft Worth TX. The sooner potential Sanders volunteers start learning what sort of conversations work where they are, the better.

Lots of people don't like phone-calling or tabling-on-the-streets or door-knocking -- but one-to-one contact really works, and it works especially well if you know people's names. Boots-on-the-ground is authentic campaign work, and it can occur under-the-radar of the opposition if you're smart about it. Databases are available (at some cost) if you want to try to reach out to likely D voters. It takes surprisingly little in the way of manpower to start reaching out to people, and they'll be especially friendly if you're really offering them information they don't have.



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Some advice for Sanders supporters [View all] struggle4progress May 2015 OP
GET OUT THE FUCKING VOTE GOTFV but, many will NOT be allowed to vote, if unconstitutional ID randys1 May 2015 #1
this might be a good time to ensure that all potential voters... Buzz Clik May 2015 #30
Unconstitutional to require ID...see how this works is they create a hurdle that is ILLEGAL randys1 May 2015 #57
Give in? Until the law is declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, it's the law. Buzz Clik May 2015 #59
Most of us that has a residence is fine & will be there JonLP24 May 2015 #90
Giving in by allowing unconstitutional laws to be put in place in the first place randys1 May 2015 #61
When Bernie wins the primary... Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #2
Getting Democrats elected is a big purpose for DU. Thinkingabout May 2015 #3
I'm not sure that's legal. mythology May 2015 #7
It's not really, haha. Agschmid May 2015 #18
You DO know that Campaign "A" can't give Campaign "B" "lots of cash"? brooklynite May 2015 #48
I think they can give it to the National Committee though. nt Snotcicles May 2015 #51
Nope...same limits brooklynite May 2015 #52
Give it to the party than. nt Snotcicles May 2015 #56
Sanders team should highlight his brand of socialism as defined by Einstein and Henry Wallace. blm May 2015 #4
Hardly anybody will remember who Henry Wallace was; and his background was progressive Republican struggle4progress May 2015 #22
Wallace has become better known with internet shares of his anti-fascism commentary. blm May 2015 #28
I knew someone who worked out at California JonLP24 May 2015 #93
You seem to be living in the past, re: the kneejerk association of socialism with totalitarianism daredtowork May 2015 #69
huh? blm May 2015 #80
Yes I meant to reply to the OP daredtowork May 2015 #83
Did you mean yellow dog Dem? A blue dog Dem is pretty conservative--sort of Republican light. nt tblue37 May 2015 #5
yep. thanks for the correction struggle4progress May 2015 #8
Freudian slip I guess n/t Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #39
LOL deutsey May 2015 #67
LMAO L0oniX May 2015 #75
No doubt. Rex May 2015 #81
Funny how they want to give advice, yet have no idea about the Democratic Party. Rex May 2015 #79
you make some good points, but let me correct you on this: cali May 2015 #6
Thanks. It's great if he supports $15/hr struggle4progress May 2015 #10
No if. Bernie has long advocated for a living wage- as in for many, many years cali May 2015 #14
I don't mean "living wage" -- I mean $15 struggle4progress May 2015 #25
advcated specifically for that too. Hey, what's Hillary's position? cali May 2015 #34
Clinton will probably have enough $$$ to buy organization so she may not need struggle4progress May 2015 #41
There is no conflict, a living wage is higher than $15/hr in most (but not all) places Dragonfli May 2015 #45
Good start but cilla4progress May 2015 #16
I suggest reading his economic plan for America which covers all that- and more cali May 2015 #17
We are definitely going to need cilla4progress May 2015 #43
I'd be as interested in Karl Rove's advice. Marr May 2015 #9
Have a lovely day struggle4progress May 2015 #11
LMFAO L0oniX May 2015 #74
K & R nt okaawhatever May 2015 #12
That sounds like practical advice treestar May 2015 #13
You got it right this time. BrotherIvan May 2015 #20
You don't even seem to know Bernie's positions. His candidacy will be a big voter draw here in Bluenorthwest May 2015 #15
. Agschmid May 2015 #19
Nice summary! peacebird May 2015 #27
Check out the Bernie Sanders Bulletin Board for more! Agschmid May 2015 #31
women's issues stage left May 2015 #91
These positions are too radical for most Americans to handle. Major Hogwash May 2015 #117
Do you think LWolf May 2015 #21
I am worried about the same thing, I live in NYS, the only real vote to cast is primary but Dragonfli May 2015 #46
In '08, LWolf May 2015 #47
Totally agree BrotherIvan May 2015 #23
After our 2010 state legislature loss here, due to low turnout, gerrymandering handed our state over struggle4progress May 2015 #24
Welcome to my world. Major Hogwash May 2015 #120
I don't accept advice from Teabaggers or others significantly to my right. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #26
I suspect internet chatter is no substitute for dialing phones and jingling doorbells: struggle4progress May 2015 #29
Thank you for yet more advice that I won't need from you. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #32
Have a lovely day! struggle4progress May 2015 #33
that right there is what gives the Sanders campaign a bad name.. some of his supporters on DU who Cha May 2015 #50
Hey there, big brave keyboard warrior. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #60
Oh no.. you're the "big brave keyboard warrior" always dropping mean spirted crap and not expecting Cha May 2015 #63
It's hard to receive pushback when you misdirect it to someone else. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #96
Here's my answer...SS is Socialism, free Education is Socialism, free Fire and Police are Socialism, libdem4life May 2015 #35
Try that argument on some relatives/friends who aren't as liberal as you... brooklynite May 2015 #37
Oh, I have. They get glassy-eyed, but I always win. You can't deny it. Do you pay when the fire libdem4life May 2015 #38
But I would contend they don't see that as "socialism"...and honestly, neither do I brooklynite May 2015 #40
Clearly, you don't me or my family. This has been going on for 45 years. Has nothing to do with libdem4life May 2015 #44
Actually, the term social democratic is easier to understand until they are OTT. My sister, a bagger freshwest May 2015 #109
Of course. But you assume the general electorate actually listens to rational argument. Adrahil May 2015 #111
I don't consider it an argument. I just present it as fact...ends the discussion. libdem4life May 2015 #112
Here's a clue...neither candidate will run a 50 State Strategy... brooklynite May 2015 #36
I suspect you're right but it breaks my heart struggle4progress May 2015 #42
Advice from you? 99Forever May 2015 #49
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Phlem May 2015 #54
^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX May 2015 #73
And OP doesn't know the difference between DINOs and yellowdogs...but IS a DEM... Rex May 2015 #82
When I first read this post, he described himself as a blue dog. Marr May 2015 #84
I just wish blue dogs had the guts to admit to it here and stop pretending to be liberals. nt Rex May 2015 #85
Yeah: that was sloppy of me struggle4progress May 2015 #97
Excellent advice from someone who's had so much experience on the ground. LOL @ these Bernie Cha May 2015 #53
! Phlem May 2015 #55
Project much? Katashi_itto May 2015 #58
You know it's true.. and that's all you have. Figures. Cha May 2015 #62
Lol...again project much? Katashi_itto May 2015 #64
Parrot much. Cha May 2015 #65
Only if its true. See #58 Katashi_itto May 2015 #66
And we've still got a long way to go! Major Hogwash May 2015 #68
I don't think Bernie would be proud of some of the bully supporters around here Cha May 2015 #71
Oh, I agree totally. Major Hogwash May 2015 #72
Hey Cha sheshe2 May 2015 #107
I was on that Jury, too. You should have been asleep there, Bah-stun! freshwest May 2015 #115
Lol~ sheshe2 May 2015 #116
Advice for Clinton supporters Aerows May 2015 #70
The panicked, almost hysterical SUPPORT from this man's supporters here is bizarre and unsettling Number23 May 2015 #76
Watch and learn. n/t 99Forever May 2015 #77
Yeah, I'm "watching" this place go off the deep end. Again. Number23 May 2015 #78
Oh I know... 99Forever May 2015 #87
See what I mean about hysterical, "panicked" support? Thanks for proving my point. Number23 May 2015 #100
Of course I did... 99Forever May 2015 #110
This post doesn't make a bit of sense. It's obvious you want to refute something I've said Number23 May 2015 #113
Simply put: 99Forever May 2015 #118
There was nothing condescending and sure as hell nothing untrue in my post Number23 May 2015 #119
Sad truth, I think they are like that in RL and have no idea. nt. Rex May 2015 #121
Ain't that the truth. n/t 99Forever May 2015 #122
Like what, Rex? Like "what" in real life? Number23 May 2015 #123
"hysterical"? How sexist! nt Bonobo May 2015 #92
The hysteria comes especially when they're using rw sites to try and make their rw talking points.. Cha May 2015 #94
Interesting that a Republican polling firm polled her unfavorability rating lower than national ones JonLP24 May 2015 #98
I really must not pay attention at all to Fox News JonLP24 May 2015 #95
I liked Dean too. I learned alot about Kucinich's time in Ohio from DUers here. It wasn't pretty Number23 May 2015 #101
He seems to be saying the things to appeal to those "Warren supporters" JonLP24 May 2015 #102
Re: "....they can blanket DU with thread after thread...." chknltl May 2015 #103
Here sheshe2 May 2015 #104
Yes, that garnered a 7-0 for Leave It Alone. Will not be alerting for a day, I guess. n/t freshwest May 2015 #105
Stupid Fucking Alert! sheshe2 May 2015 #106
Thanks fresh and sheshe! Number23 May 2015 #114
Socialism modeled after Canada & Europe fadedrose May 2015 #86
Sanders already knows what he believes AgingAmerican May 2015 #88
I've seen philosphical articles from the RW JonLP24 May 2015 #89
A question for everyone else. How will all the answers pan out to the issues mmonk May 2015 #99
The R's will call any D candidate a "socialist" quaker bill May 2015 #108
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