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160. I think what I wrote in my OP is still true -

Sat May 2, 2015, 02:31 PM

May 2015

I think you have many honest Bernie/Liz fans here who are not convinced Hillary Clinton understands what it is really like to be poor (she's from the suburbs of Chicago, attended Wellesley & Yale, etc). Personally as the daughter of a union member who grew up in a rural area of the midwest I don't think she quite does either. However, I would rather have her than Scott Walker when push comes to shove. There are others who come to these forums just to disrupt, however, and I think we will see them posing as both Hillary and Bernie fans in an attempt to wreak havoc. Please don't categorize all Bernie/Liz fans with that broad brush. I know many folks from MIRT who are Hillary supporters and I'm not about to trash them or call them names. I expect the same in return.

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I have fucking had it with: "Sanders, which could potentially force Hillary Clinton further left..." [View all] NYC_SKP May 2015 OP

More infighting ...it will be a wonder if the Democratic party can come together NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #1

IRONY ALERT KittyWampus May 2015 #4

Not infighting, a false narrative that needs to just stop. "Push her to the left." NYC_SKP May 2015 #6

Rush Limbaugh can be pushed "further to the left". You outrage is sounding contrived. Buzz Clik May 2015 #39

Rush Limbaugh got fired.... for being too Reich. nt 1handclapn May 2015 #158

The problem with pushing her to the left passiveporcupine May 2015 #115

Exactly, good points. NYC_SKP May 2015 #118

I love Bernie and will support him but if Hillary wins the primary I will support OregonBlue May 2015 #173

+1000 stage left May 2015 #230

Anything she may say that is vaguely progressive hifiguy May 2015 #147

This effect has been visible over the last 2 weeks. bvar22 May 2015 #162

+5 appalachiablue May 2015 #174

Exactly sendero May 2015 #176

Well said. We don't need her to pretending to be progressive. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #177

Agreed zentrum May 2015 #178

Only the rhetoric can be massaged. Enthusiast May 2015 #142

That is a fact. The implication in the OWS statement is that he can't win. NYC_SKP May 2015 #161

Of course, that will be the message blasted by media and HIllary's bunch arikara May 2015 #171

It is their major tactic. We must prove them wrong. Enthusiast May 2015 #197

Yes but there are members here that are hell bent on arguing that INdemo May 2015 #241

The truth is, millions of Americans have realized that they are being abused. Enthusiast May 2015 #195

That rubbed me the wrong way too NYC_SKP. sabrina 1 May 2015 #211

Sarah Gray at ATTN wrote the article, not OWS... NYC_SKP May 2015 #224

That's what I thought. In my OP I posted the statement from OWS Organizers, the original organizers sabrina 1 May 2015 #258

Thank you for the background, good to know. NYC_SKP May 2015 #262

Sanders is polling dead even with "no preference" and "margin of error" Buzz Clik May 2015 #38

Sanders is polling almost the same as Obama was at this point in 2007. cui bono May 2015 #53

That's just not true. Agschmid May 2015 #56

That's what Thom Hartmann said on his radio show. n/t cui bono May 2015 #59

People make shit up, to make the point they want to. Agschmid May 2015 #60

Thom doesn't. cui bono May 2015 #71

Well, if he said Obama was polling the same as Sanders Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #82

As I mentioned to someone else who is being reasonable in this thread, cui bono May 2015 #94

I don't listen to Thom Hartmann. Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #99

So you don't listen to him but give him zero credibilty. cui bono May 2015 #105

If he worked for The Blaze, would you listen to him? Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #110

He doesn't work for RT. They air his show. And I judge people base on their actions and stances, cui bono May 2015 #117

Boom! yuiyoshida May 2015 #186

Is your book available on Amazon? INdemo May 2015 #229

My book? cui bono May 2015 #234

Dont know what happen but I must have clicked on obviously the wrong post INdemo May 2015 #240

I stole it from someone else. cui bono May 2015 #249

Apparently he did. JaneyVee May 2015 #84

No, he didn't. But I might have misrepeated something. Check my other posts. cui bono May 2015 #91

Yes, they do. Bernie just entered the race. We'll see where the polling is a month from now. sabrina 1 May 2015 #213

The link was a few posts up. Agschmid May 2015 #220

Hey he might surge to.... workinclasszero May 2015 #58

Obama was polling at 30% in May of 2007. sufrommich May 2015 #64

Maybe it was earlier in the year then, because he had Edwards higher than Obama I think. cui bono May 2015 #73

Sanders absolutely has a chance, but he isn't polling where Obama was. Agschmid May 2015 #77

I'm not trying to take away from Sanders,of course he's got a sufrommich May 2015 #89

Excellent point. When minorities got over their fears that white people would not vote for him Number23 May 2015 #259

No. Buzz Clik May 2015 #156

Everr hear of a little thing in politics called name-recognition. HERVEPA May 2015 #129

First time I've heard of it. Ever. Buzz Clik May 2015 #157

Without the nay sayers like you progress would be better. Enthusiast May 2015 #198

I'm not standing in your way. Buzz Clik May 2015 #203

The agenda of most American citizens you mean. Enthusiast May 2015 #204

BAWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! davidpdx May 2015 #208

One person's infighting = another person's primary process SusanCalvin May 2015 #98

9th most liberal senator of her time. JaneyVee May 2015 #2

Yes and Elizabeth Warren was what, 8th? Ignore all the facts, though. The Sanders okaawhatever May 2015 #8

Obama was actually 8th. JaneyVee May 2015 #57

I would like to see the metrics for that determination. It's not apparent that she's much other leveymg May 2015 #21

9th most liberal senator of her time. workinclasszero May 2015 #54

I got something out of your post, but it had nothing to do with Hillary. cui bono May 2015 #88

whatever workinclasszero May 2015 #104

What does that have to do with anything I said? n/t cui bono May 2015 #106

Please remember that we are just a tiny minority when your preferred LondonReign2 May 2015 #179

"Think the purists will get that?" TBF May 2015 #140

Hillary has been attacked on this board since before workinclasszero May 2015 #141

Go back through my posts - TBF May 2015 #146

Good for Bernie workinclasszero May 2015 #148

I think what I wrote in my OP is still true - TBF May 2015 #160

Why don't you read her biography before you pretend to know how she grew up. juajen May 2015 #210

Oh please - this is getting ridiculous. TBF May 2015 #216

All that shows is how far right the entire elected politicians of both parties have moved. cui bono May 2015 #75

!!!!!!!!!!!! BrotherIvan May 2015 #92

This metric is based on voting records. Spectrums don't change. JaneyVee May 2015 #97

Yeah, voting records of hers against the other elected officials. So what I said stands. cui bono May 2015 #103

Really? Spectrums don't change? candelista May 2015 #164

And even if you don't think the spectrum itself changes, where one lands on it certainly does. cui bono May 2015 #200

Another outburst from a Sanders supporter? LOL. I support him to move Hillary left KittyWampus May 2015 #3

Bernie can win. I support him to WIN. You can't drag anyone to the Left, so that's just sabrina 1 May 2015 #36

+10000000000 woo me with science May 2015 #43

He almost certainly cannot win the primary. He has not participated in Democratic party politics. KittyWampus May 2015 #131

^^^ lordsummerisle May 2015 #187

Draw me a map Caretha May 2015 #191

i have always seens sanders run as individual and an opportunity. not an extension of clinton. seabeyond May 2015 #5

Call out threads like this with slams against Hillary do nothing but drive us further apart NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #7

With this OP I'm calling out the media and OWS, not Clinton. NYC_SKP May 2015 #12

you betcha. when i state, as a feminist, social is my priority, as i support sanders.... seabeyond May 2015 #13

Then why on earth would you say you support him? I support him because I DO see what you sabrina 1 May 2015 #44

there is not a chance in hell i would try to clear the air with you. you have zero seabeyond May 2015 #50

I am more than willing to 'clear the air' with anyone because I am confident enough sabrina 1 May 2015 #63

first sentence to me "Then why on earth would you say you support him? " seabeyond May 2015 #68

It is what I got from your post. That you have some serious issues with the candidate sabrina 1 May 2015 #76

of course it doesnt make sense, because you made my post what you wanted to make it. seabeyond May 2015 #78

Then feel free to correct me. sabrina 1 May 2015 #100

yes you make it up to me. but you change what i say to your argument. so it really does not matter seabeyond May 2015 #119

Then I have to assume that my interpretation is correct. sabrina 1 May 2015 #149

of course. assume your INTERPRETATION is correct even though the words i posted and me telling seabeyond May 2015 #150

With all due respect, your post is very unclear, I honestly do not understand what you are saying Dragonfli May 2015 #183

In an effort to derail BrotherIvan May 2015 #61

how about the tactic of you telling me we do not have a place in the campaign? brilliant strategy. seabeyond May 2015 #65

What on earth are you talking about BrotherIvan May 2015 #69

you replied to sabrina who replied to me. you stated it was about derailing dismissing what i said. seabeyond May 2015 #70

You are all over this thread trying to derail it BrotherIvan May 2015 #102

all over? no hyperbole or dishonest there. i made one comment. some people replied and we had a seabeyond May 2015 #122

You were presented with an answer to your concerns BrotherIvan May 2015 #128

it was the economic populists answer. and it was an incorrect answer full of irony, seabeyond May 2015 #130

Wow BrotherIvan May 2015 #135

i just do not toe your line, do i? mind boggling. seabeyond May 2015 #137

LOL, +1 to the billionth. ucrdem May 2015 #212

Well, it isn't working! sabrina 1 May 2015 #66

Saying that Sanders thinks social issues need to take a back seat to economic ones BrotherIvan May 2015 #107

SAYING... running the campaign as an economic populist campaign, and all kinds of dismissal when i seabeyond May 2015 #125

It is not Sanders that is is dismissing your concerns as shown abundantly to you in this thread BrotherIvan May 2015 #132

yes. you are dismissing my concerns. we agree on that. as i stated initially and thru out. no mo seabeyond May 2015 #136

Seabeyond Caretha May 2015 #192

Keeps repeating "white" and "men" and "populist" Bonobo May 2015 #184

Actually all I hear is BrotherIvan May 2015 #185

Are you saying that because Bernie is a white male that he is going to be fighting only for white cui bono May 2015 #114

if his campaign is, economic populist, then yes. he is advocating for white and male. nt seabeyond May 2015 #126

Is that how he defines his campaign? cui bono May 2015 #139

that is how his campaign is being defined. two days in, i do not know how he is defining. seabeyond May 2015 #145

You don't think his record is proof enough? He's been in the public eye a long time now. cui bono May 2015 #201

You didn't respond to my other post so here are a couple more thoughts I missed... cui bono May 2015 #250

Do you think ANYONE is buying this crap? BrotherIvan May 2015 #143

two statements you are addressing. please be specific what is false, or as you say... crap? seabeyond May 2015 #144

I'm curious, are you really a Bernie supporter? cui bono May 2015 #96

he was a supporter well before many of the people in this very thread jumped on board. as was i. seabeyond May 2015 #127

Okay, thanks. n/t cui bono May 2015 #138

Only odd if calling for party unity is odd or supporting Bernie is odd or for supporting Hillary IF NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #182

That's good. I just had to ask to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks for your answer. cui bono May 2015 #199

He needs money, I have donated a little and signed up to volunteer, but we need to get his name NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #227

I work with someone who overheard me exclaim delight when I saw Bernie was running. cui bono May 2015 #233

My problem in this case is entirely with the media and with OWS for parroting the MSM meme. NYC_SKP May 2015 #9

i do not watch msm. and though i think it is really important to be informed, to the extent of seabeyond May 2015 #17

LOL, was just talking to a friend of mine, who is a delegate this year.... NYC_SKP May 2015 #27

people are influenced though. can use it to advantage, and can defuse also. with kids... our youth seabeyond May 2015 #29

Love the hair! NYC_SKP May 2015 #33

exactly. einstein. unbeknown to many, that is the youth we address. it will "play" seabeyond May 2015 #37

I'm supporting him HappyMe May 2015 #10

"I support him to win, to take the primary and go on to win the general." NYC_SKP May 2015 #16

Yup. HappyMe May 2015 #24

Thanks! I contributed a little bit on Thursday but last year had tons of medical costs. NYC_SKP May 2015 #28

Mine won't be huge contributions by any means. HappyMe May 2015 #31

Same here. historylovr May 2015 #19

Good! HappyMe May 2015 #25

This^^^ BrotherIvan May 2015 #34

There is no need to think of Bernie HappyMe May 2015 #47

I agree BrotherIvan May 2015 #67

Anything to the Left of Hillary as we've known her is pure campaign positioning. leveymg May 2015 #11

I'd be interested to see how many bills sponsored, actually passed. Agschmid May 2015 #23

Pretty much. Given the rightward movement of overton's wndow, it's not surprising Populist_Prole May 2015 #111

Someone gives a point of view, you disagree with that view, and now you still_one May 2015 #14

K&R! marym625 May 2015 #15

and I am sick and tired of the in-fighting between... chillfactor May 2015 #18

Read the OP. This is a commentary about the media meme. NYC_SKP May 2015 #40

I do not like Hillary's position on key policies, and I don't want her to be President. Maedhros May 2015 #133

The problem is that people will sadoldgirl May 2015 #20

+1 Go Vols May 2015 #26

Good point, I think you're right. NYC_SKP May 2015 #30

I think Bernie will be able to point that out, in debates. Which is why it is so good to sabrina 1 May 2015 #52

It's a corporate talking point, and a ridiculous one at that. woo me with science May 2015 #22

The Tea Party has moved the Republican Party to the right... TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #32

And Clintons have also moved the party to the right. Sanders will move it to the left. NYC_SKP May 2015 #35

If the Party moves to the Left, so will all the candidates TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #46

No, I don't think she will blow against the wind. SusanCalvin May 2015 #109

Show us your crystal ball TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #152

I have no crystal ball. SusanCalvin May 2015 #168

Why would anybody vote for somebody who has to be "forced left" over Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #41

Is this a serious qestion? How about a simple answer. TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #51

I'll take my chances with the one that doesn't have to be forced left. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #74

"Chances"... What if your candidate doesn't win the Primary? TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #81

I always vote. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #85

Let me tell you - I'm 840high May 2015 #181

FDR was "forced left." NYC Liberal May 2015 #153

And...? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #155

Hillary Clinton already is left. NYC Liberal May 2015 #165

The candidate "forced left" would not REMAIN LEFT post election. NorthCarolina May 2015 #217

I don't think it's infighting...we now have TWO candidates who must be held and judged by libdem4life May 2015 #42

I'm with you 100%. 99Forever May 2015 #45

Just because you change a candidates rhetoric WDIM May 2015 #48

"In Just 24 Hours Bernie Sanders Outraises Rand Paul, Marco Rubio AND Ted Cruz" BeanMusical May 2015 #49

You're saying Hillary can't be moved to the left. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #55

No core principles. Unlike Sanders, whose representation of the 99 percent is consistent woo me with science May 2015 #108

I do not presume to speak for 'americans'. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #121

I can't support anyone who changes their rhetoric in response to political wind shifts hootinholler May 2015 #62

...! KoKo May 2015 #80

Yes, that was Borrowitz. Hilarious! NYC_SKP May 2015 #83

Everything you've written here is wrong oberliner May 2015 #72

I have a reputation of wrongness to maintain here. NYC_SKP May 2015 #90

Hillary is not a centrist, she is liberal Dem: Its only Sanders people claim centrist lewebley3 May 2015 #79

I agree with all your statement except Bernie is not Nader TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #87

No, not at all. No way is Hillary liberal. Not at all. cui bono May 2015 #202

Sanders cozies up to Wall Street everyday! Dem's party is whole nothing! lewebley3 May 2015 #235

Links? cui bono May 2015 #236

Google picture of the Current Senate and House: You will Bernie with Rows of Rich people! lewebley3 May 2015 #238

You didn't answer my question. Your post means nothing. cui bono May 2015 #239

Sanders sits in the Senate surrounded by former and future Wall Street people lewebley3 May 2015 #269

Clinton is progressive in one arena alone TM99 May 2015 #260

Hillary's followers are not anti rich people: Sanders are! lewebley3 May 2015 #265

So many inaccuracies in this reply it isn't even funny. TM99 May 2015 #270

Yes, Bernie supporters do bash Hillary for being successful! Read Sanders post!! lewebley3 May 2015 #271

Again, factually incorrect. TM99 May 2015 #272

The So called Clinton's scandals were manufactured by the GOP: lewebley3 May 2015 #273

Again more inaccuracies. TM99 May 2015 #275

Supporting Bernie, helps the GOP: I am sure Bernie's will be getting a check from the Koch's soon! lewebley3 May 2015 #279

This is where our conversation ends. TM99 May 2015 #280

Review 2008 History: GOP sending people out to vote in the Dem primes lewebley3 May 2015 #281

Who cares anyway tomsaiditagain May 2015 #86

Well, Liz & Bernie have already moved her rhetoric further left. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #93

Yup, the rhetoric moves around quite a bit. NYC_SKP May 2015 #101

Well said. EEO May 2015 #95

it really doesn't bother me. barbtries May 2015 #112

I don't know anyone who supports bernie gwheezie May 2015 #113

Well, it's only just begun. You're going to hear it a lot. I guess you can deal with it. PeaceNikki May 2015 #116

That's not how I've heard it gollygee May 2015 #120

Recommended. H2O Man May 2015 #123

the other thing... rbnyc May 2015 #124

K&R Pooka Fey May 2015 #134

I'm with you madokie May 2015 #151

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #154

Did you say "gutter-sniping asshole"? Well, you might want to read the damned OP again. NYC_SKP May 2015 #163

wow rbnyc May 2015 #166

What a vile, filthy, venomous post! candelista May 2015 #167

'Centrist' nowdays PeoViejo May 2015 #159

I think "pushing HRC left" is a valid point. DirkGently May 2015 #169

How Bernie Sanders will help Hillary Clinton in the general election Gothmog May 2015 #170

Anyone know what Bernies full name is? I was just curious to see if it was anything the right brewens May 2015 #172

Bernard Scary Socialist Sanders. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #175

Try living in the real world. william cail May 2015 #180

Don't get hung up on "further" . . . MrModerate May 2015 #188

K & R GoneFishin May 2015 #189

More like 'force Hillary Clinton's handlers to move the bullshit campaign rhetoric to the left'. Marr May 2015 #190

Did you see this? rbnyc May 2015 #193

You're right, it is insulting to both Sanders and to Clinton... NYC_SKP May 2015 #194

I no longer have the energy to respond to these kinds of posts. cheapdate May 2015 #196

Then I suggest you quit the DU, problem solved! Nt Logical May 2015 #206

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give it all the consideration it's due! cheapdate May 2015 #207

+1000 nt Logical May 2015 #205

I agree NYC_SKP davidpdx May 2015 #209

I dunno, sounds like one of those phrases tossed in to make the thing sound reasonable. ucrdem May 2015 #214

Sanders will make the Democratic Primaries... HoosierCowboy May 2015 #215

Bernie for the win. Paka May 2015 #218

"force Hillary Clinton further left" is code-speak for -- Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #219

I love that you shared what happened with that college date. NYC_SKP May 2015 #226

The rec's for this op speaks for itself. Bonus: It's pissing off all the "right" people. L0oniX May 2015 #221

I am going to ask for turbinetree May 2015 #222

Relax - this has only begun. RiverNoord May 2015 #223

First, "further left" implies that she's left, AlbertCat May 2015 #225

Sanders will make HRC a better general election candidate Gothmog May 2015 #228

What are we really saying here??? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #242

Sanders is not viable in a contested primary or in the general election Gothmog May 2015 #243

I don't see how you can make a statement like that... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #244

You do realize that DU does not represent the entire Democratic party Gothmog May 2015 #246

Yes, I understand statistical analysis, if that is what you mean... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #251

I look forward to revisiting this thread later after some primaries Gothmog May 2015 #252

WDW? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #253

Walt Disney World Gothmog May 2015 #255

Look out..there are those that when they talk about Bernie Sanders INdemo May 2015 #231

Yep. "He can't win, but might push Clinton..." NYC_SKP May 2015 #232

Sanders will make HRC a better general election candidate Gothmog May 2015 #245

Hillary learned from Obama. Lot's of Dem suckers willing to WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2015 #237

Learning to run a campaign from President Obama is not a bad thing Gothmog May 2015 #248

If Clinton wins the primary, she'll lose in the general election to the GOP. We need Sanders. NYC_SKP May 2015 #254

Agreed... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #256

How is Sanders going to compete in a general election contest? Gothmog May 2015 #257

On one of the morning shows today fadedrose May 2015 #247

I have yet to hear a good explanation as to how Sanders will be a viable general election candidate Gothmog May 2015 #261

I'll just refer you back to 2007 and OFA, Obama's campaign, and toss in OWS and MoveOn. NYC_SKP May 2015 #263

Thank you for the laughs Gothmog May 2015 #264

People are jumping ship. NYC_SKP May 2015 #266

Time will tell Gothmog May 2015 #268

And yet she is still polling 81% among Democrats Gothmog May 2015 #278

do you think management wins the day or labor? PowerToThePeople May 2015 #276

And I was on the Obama voter protection team and also gave to OFA Gothmog May 2015 #277

Hillary isn't going to take the caucuses for granted again. If she hadn't in 2008 she wins going stevenleser May 2015 #267

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