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First Speaker

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Sat May 2, 2015, 06:55 PM May 2015

Bernie isn't McGovern or Mondale, and it isn't 1972 or 1984 [View all]

We are a universe away from those days. Not only is the Cold War ancient history, but the Post Cold War World is gone, too. Redbaiting a Social Democrat isn't as easy as it used to be. And the whole political and social gestalt is primed for a shift away from the conservative consensus that's ruled since 1978, if the issues can be properly articulated by the right person. I think Bernie can be that person. And let's look at those elections. In both cases, the Dem was up against a powerful and ruthless--in the case of Nixon--or popular--Reagan--Republican. Vietnam and the conflicts of the 60s were still simmering in 1972--in fact, McGovern's defeat was really the last shout of the 1960s. And those disputes were much more polarizing than anything the past decade has seen, over the Mideast Wars. And let's face it--McGovern was a lousy candidate. (Eagleton, anyone?) And I doubt any Dem could have beaten Reagan in 1984, unless some proof of his--Reagan's--Alzheimer's had come out. As for Bernie--of course, the Fox News/right wing vomit machine will have a fit if he's nominated. But it's just possible he could isolate those people and win over the people in the middle, if he just tells the obvious truth and sticks to his message--a message that almost everyone knows is true. I believe firmly that Bernie Sanders can be elected President in 2016.

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It won't be just Faux Noise, MSNBC has already started the socialist meme. leftofcool May 2015 #1
I don't know why 'Socialist' can't be mainstreamed again in America IDemo May 2015 #3
Democrat is synonymous with corporatist these days uncleverusername May 2015 #5
All I will say with all the soft money permeating the system politics is infinitely nastier now ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #2
You are right, it isn't 1974 or 1984, it is a new world, we had not experienced Thinkingabout May 2015 #4
I like Bernie but I do not believe that Bernie is not a viable general election candidate Gothmog May 2015 #6
Why take a chance with Bernie? winter is coming May 2015 #16
I fear that Bernie's appeal is far more limited compared to HRC Gothmog May 2015 #18
Which positions do you think he has that wouldn't appeal to Dem voters? n/t winter is coming May 2015 #19
You do realize that DU does not represent the entire Democratic party Gothmog May 2015 #23
I'm asking about content, not labels. winter is coming May 2015 #25
Turning the US into Scandinavia is not likely to play well in Iowa Gothmog May 2015 #26
If he's not viable, why waste time discussing him? n/t winter is coming May 2015 #28
I am amused by the supporters who are convinced that Bernie will be the nominee Gothmog May 2015 #29
I'm amused by the supporters who believe that someone who couldn't even win winter is coming May 2015 #33
Bernie is not President Obama and does not have an organization Gothmog May 2015 #37
Yes, I think Bernie might win some other primaries. winter is coming May 2015 #39
Actually, a lot of people in Iowa (nearly 10% of the state's population) are of Scandinavian tblue37 May 2015 #36
Iowa requires a strong ground game. Gothmog May 2015 #38
Yep. I love Bernie's integrity and intelligence, his commitment to tblue37 May 2015 #40
Clinton's adoption of a 50 state strategy is a good thing for red state democrats Gothmog May 2015 #41
Nobody under 50 has any kind of reaction at all to the word "socialist." enough May 2015 #7
You make assertions without evidence... brooklynite May 2015 #8
Well, lacking a crystal ball, or even a Ph.D in Poli Sci, I can't "prove" what the future holds... First Speaker May 2015 #9
I see disappointment with the current administration has pushed many people further left BrotherIvan May 2015 #11
My first vote was for McGovern charlyvi May 2015 #10
+1000. Paladin May 2015 #24
Was my first vote as well. leftofcool May 2015 #30
31 years is a universe? GeorgeGist May 2015 #12
How anyone can not like Bernie is beyond my comprehension madokie May 2015 #13
It's possible to like him--a lot-- okasha May 2015 #14
Its also possible to see it completely different than you do too madokie May 2015 #15
RWers probably don't like each other. In fact, I'm sure of it- ever seen them friendly, close? appalachiablue May 2015 #17
They're fighting each other now. It's a civil war between the tea party and the moderates. Initech May 2015 #21
If there is a member of the BFEE in this election, odds are good they will try to steal it. Initech May 2015 #20
For that matter, Mondale didn't run as a liberal. Ken Burch May 2015 #22
Nor is he Nader or Jon Anderson, he is one of the only people in Washington orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #27
He's more likely to be a Gene McCarthy doxyluv13 May 2015 #31
And the "socialist" smear... ibegurpard May 2015 #32
I had no idea Dems hated social security socialism. L0oniX May 2015 #35
I hope so. nt tblue37 May 2015 #34
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