Some advice for Sanders supporters

[JonLP24]

95. I really must not pay attention at all to Fox News

because I had no idea they hired him after his Cleveland stronghold was gerrymandered into Marcy Kaptur's district. I always liked the man. Howard Dean caught my attention at the very first 9 candidates thing on CSPAN January 2003. As far as the debates I honestly believe Al Sharpton & Dennis Kucinich won all of the time. Dean appeared especially stiff the first couple but heard so much that he was a fringe candidate then by the summer he led in the money & the endorsements with the big one at-the-time from Al Gore.

I was in the military from '05-'08 and didn't have TV to keep track of who was in the running with the exception of a couple guys mention they like McCain (during the Spring) and I know McCain, argued strongly -- during this same conversation one of the 2 was actually claiming that we did find WMD in response to me mentioning the lies to justify the war where he said we did find WMD it just didn't capture any attention knowing he got some incorrect info or was telling partisan lies.

I probably would have supported Obama as I liked mostly everything I heard but I bought into the whole Change thing as something more than just marketing or as something more than just a change from Bush. Kucinich though always remained with his convictions continuing to oppose the Patriot Act & I think he won the debate on the question asked here

This is a pocket copy of the Constitution which I carry with me, because I took an oath to defend the Constitution. We've spent a lot of time talking about Iraq here tonight and America's role in the world. This country was taken into war based on lies. This country was taken into war based on lies about weapons of mass destruction and Al Qaeda's role with respect to Iraq, which there wasn't one at the time we went in. I want to state that Mr. Cheney must be held accountable. He is already ginning up a cause for war against Iran. Now, we have to stand for this Constitution, we have to protect and defend this Constitution. And this vice president has violated this Constitution. So I think that while my friends on the stage may not be ready to take this stand, the American people should know that there's at least one person running for president who wants to reconnect America with its goodness, with its greatness, with its highest principles, which currently are not being reflected by those who are in the White House.
—Dennis Kucinich, New York Times, April 27, 2007[115]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich#Impeachment_proceedings_against_Dick_Cheney

Right now Clinton & Biden lead the polls because they have name recognition most people know who they are, most people say they don't know or don't know enough on the question of Bernie Sanders yes or no. Of those committed yes Bernie Sanders is sitting solidly at third place based on CNN polls the past 3-4 months. Of all candidates or potential names that can be thrown out there I back him over anyone including Elizabeth Warren & so I can only speak for myself, Hillary Clinton has the best odds but the whole party including her strategists are well aware of these "Warren supporters" which are mostly populists who could go for either or someone besides Hillary Clinton. Which is why she is so obvious "taking on big business & banks" during her book/campaign rally tour & recently calling for "toppling the 1%" a year after "foolish anti-wall street rhetoric". It is why O'Malley is so obvious trying to out-liberal here to capture these "Warren supporters" which overlaps with the Sanders supporters pretty much. I think he has to get his name out there & given a chance to speak which is why those numbers could change.

I wasn't around DU during all-this (I joined July 2008) so not sure if this was the same thing here. In 2004, most of the candidates backed the Iraq war except for Howard Dean & Kucinich as best as I can remember right now. What really seemed far out there was the push & backing for Wesley Clark from the likes of Michael Moore who saw him as the electable anti-war with his General rank to protect him against Bush calling him a coward during debates -- a guy who also didn't have a meaningful platform like who the hell knows what this guy supports. Looking back, if anything I wish I paid more attention to what Bob Graham was saying. In '08, Obama was strongly anti Iraq war with an early record to go on. John Edwards went from a guy that basically nobody supporting to being a hero. Honestly thought Hillary Clinton being the nominee in '08 in '04 was a foregone conclusion, Hell I wondered why she didn't run in '04 & lock up the nomination.

If anything Hillary Clinton does need to be afraid of it is her own rhetoric, she has tendency to put her foot in her mouth -- gaffe -- where she has corrected herself time and time again, she certainly is brilliant on the issues she knows but when she takes positions on issues, pandering, or using something to her advantage such as her often "you can't choose your family but you can't choose your pastor". Or Bill Ayers & Rezko, whatever can be used. Bernie Sanders takes clear stances on issues for clear reasons & is a very unique case of someone who doesn't so obviously run an anti-whoever campaign brings focus to issues rather than personalities. Another thing I think helps is there are really no strong alternative candidates to Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders is polling higher than O'Malley whose an obvious phony himself and I think Biden has 2nd place only because most voters know who he is. Plus Hillary Clinton's polls are dropping & I remember at-one-point any viable Democrat was polling higher than Bush (before the primaries)`