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JonLP24

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102. He seems to be saying the things to appeal to those "Warren supporters"
Mon May 4, 2015, 01:57 AM
May 2015

who are really Hillary Clinton's only threat from walking away with the party nomination so its the only hope he has but I don't know where he stands on everything, just the timing of what he's saying such as the people need a President "they can trust" but the only one he seems to be recommending is himself. Same interview as when he said the Presidency shouldn't be a crown that is passed around between two families.

He had an ally on city council & when he announced his run O'Malley backed him initially until he decided to run for mayor, it could be incidental but he went from a long shot & I don't know the behind the scenes of that move but with the city council ally running against the incumbent helped him because they "split the black vote" (not my words & don't know if that was why O'Malley ran though it is odd he backed him, I hope he didn't encourage him.

Aside from that he pushed zero tolerance policing & accelerated it during his Governor campaign locking up 100,000 in a year of a city the size of 600,000.

From David Simon he is very experienced reporter on the Baltimore Police Department

To quote him: "In my city, Baltimore, we had a mayor, Martin O'Malley, who decided he was going to escalate the drug war. Zero tolerance was his mantra, and he put it out there: "Get everybody off the corners. Clear the corners." He was running for governor, so, for political reasons, he was basically trying to clear the street a year in advance of the election. We were filming The Wire in Baltimore at the time. And it got to the point that my African-American crew members and actors couldn't get back to their hotel without getting locked up, because they were driving while black. It was just presumed they were out there to cop drugs. So every now and then I'd have to go down and bail out my assistant director or one of my actors. Now, that was what was happening to people who were somewhat notable and had something to say to the cop. Can you imagine how many regular Baltimoreans went down to the city jail charged with nothing?" http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/30/david-simon-americas-war-on-drugs

BALTIMORE —Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said Wednesday she will not combat crime by returning to the days of so-called mass arrests of minor offenses.

In an opinion-editorial piece published Wednesday in The Baltimore Sun, Gov. Martin O'Malley stepped up his campaign to get the city to go back to what he did when he was mayor: have a policing policy that led to more than 100,000 arrests per year -- many for minor offenses.

The mayor and governor are widely seen as friends, but they are not on the same page on this issue and the continuing debate, the mayor said, is causing many communities to worry.

"Homicides are going up for the second year in a row, and shootings are up year to date. Why? I believe it has to do with the fact that enforcement levels have fallen to a 13-year low," the governor wrote.

O'Malley called critics of his policy "ideologues on the left." . . .

"Honest minds can differ, but this honest mind is also fact-dependent, and the data show that more arrests didn't lead to a safer city," Rawlings-Blake countered Wednesday.

The mayor's office produced a chart showing a steady decline in violent crime since 2006 -- the year O'Malley left City Hall -- and arrests reached their peak. It was to counter a chart produced by the governor to argue otherwise.

More: http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/mayor-vows-not-to-return-to-days-of-mass-arrests-in-baltimore/22118078

He wants to appear as if he is tough on crime just for appearances sake but in any case the ACLU filed suit & the courts ruled the policy violated civil liberties


Last year, The Baltimore Sun reported that taxpayers had paid $5.7 million since 2011 in judgments or settlements in 102 lawsuits alleging police misconduct. A. Dwight Pettit, a lawyer who specializes in police misconduct and represents Tyrone West’s family in a wrongful-death suit against the city, said he had “20 open cases right now,” and was flooded with requests for representation.

Mr. Gray was not the first black man in Baltimore to emerge from a police van with a spinal cord injury. Jeffrey Alston, who became paralyzed from the neck down after a van ride, settled for $6 million in 2004. The following year, Dondi Johnson, also paralyzed after a van ride, won a jury award of $7.4 million, though it was reduced on appeal.

Kerry D. Staton, the lawyer who handled both cases, said Mr. Johnson, like Mr. Gray, had not been belted in. Mr. Staton said officers had intentionally given Mr. Johnson what is known as a “rough ride, where he was thrown across the vehicle into the opposite wall and broke his neck.”

Civil rights advocates and some elected officials here trace the tensions to “zero-tolerance policing,” a crime-fighting strategy championed by Martin O’Malley, the former governor and a potential Democratic candidate for president, when he was the mayor of Baltimore from 1999 to 2007. Aides of Mr. O’Malley note that on his watch, the number of annual homicides dropped below 300 per year for the first time in more than a decade, and that violent crime in Baltimore dropped by 41 percent. Steve Kearney, a top aide to Mr. O’Malley when he was the mayor, described the policies as “appropriate for the time.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/25/us/baltimores-broken-relationship-with-police.html?_r=0

I haven't heard a whole lot about Kucinich background wise, I heard West Cleveland votes him in large numbers. Made an unpopular move when it came to Muni Light, stood up to the mob had a contract out on him but I think it cost him his re-election in the 70s but the move ended up saving the city a fortune when it comes locally. I don't know why he would go to Fox, it was the Republicans that screwed him by drawing him into Marcy Kaptur's district.

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Some advice for Sanders supporters [View all] struggle4progress May 2015 OP
GET OUT THE FUCKING VOTE GOTFV but, many will NOT be allowed to vote, if unconstitutional ID randys1 May 2015 #1
this might be a good time to ensure that all potential voters... Buzz Clik May 2015 #30
Unconstitutional to require ID...see how this works is they create a hurdle that is ILLEGAL randys1 May 2015 #57
Give in? Until the law is declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, it's the law. Buzz Clik May 2015 #59
Most of us that has a residence is fine & will be there JonLP24 May 2015 #90
Giving in by allowing unconstitutional laws to be put in place in the first place randys1 May 2015 #61
When Bernie wins the primary... Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #2
Getting Democrats elected is a big purpose for DU. Thinkingabout May 2015 #3
I'm not sure that's legal. mythology May 2015 #7
It's not really, haha. Agschmid May 2015 #18
You DO know that Campaign "A" can't give Campaign "B" "lots of cash"? brooklynite May 2015 #48
I think they can give it to the National Committee though. nt Snotcicles May 2015 #51
Nope...same limits brooklynite May 2015 #52
Give it to the party than. nt Snotcicles May 2015 #56
Sanders team should highlight his brand of socialism as defined by Einstein and Henry Wallace. blm May 2015 #4
Hardly anybody will remember who Henry Wallace was; and his background was progressive Republican struggle4progress May 2015 #22
Wallace has become better known with internet shares of his anti-fascism commentary. blm May 2015 #28
I knew someone who worked out at California JonLP24 May 2015 #93
You seem to be living in the past, re: the kneejerk association of socialism with totalitarianism daredtowork May 2015 #69
huh? blm May 2015 #80
Yes I meant to reply to the OP daredtowork May 2015 #83
Did you mean yellow dog Dem? A blue dog Dem is pretty conservative--sort of Republican light. nt tblue37 May 2015 #5
yep. thanks for the correction struggle4progress May 2015 #8
Freudian slip I guess n/t Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #39
LOL deutsey May 2015 #67
LMAO L0oniX May 2015 #75
No doubt. Rex May 2015 #81
Funny how they want to give advice, yet have no idea about the Democratic Party. Rex May 2015 #79
you make some good points, but let me correct you on this: cali May 2015 #6
Thanks. It's great if he supports $15/hr struggle4progress May 2015 #10
No if. Bernie has long advocated for a living wage- as in for many, many years cali May 2015 #14
I don't mean "living wage" -- I mean $15 struggle4progress May 2015 #25
advcated specifically for that too. Hey, what's Hillary's position? cali May 2015 #34
Clinton will probably have enough $$$ to buy organization so she may not need struggle4progress May 2015 #41
There is no conflict, a living wage is higher than $15/hr in most (but not all) places Dragonfli May 2015 #45
Good start but cilla4progress May 2015 #16
I suggest reading his economic plan for America which covers all that- and more cali May 2015 #17
We are definitely going to need cilla4progress May 2015 #43
I'd be as interested in Karl Rove's advice. Marr May 2015 #9
Have a lovely day struggle4progress May 2015 #11
LMFAO L0oniX May 2015 #74
K & R nt okaawhatever May 2015 #12
That sounds like practical advice treestar May 2015 #13
You got it right this time. BrotherIvan May 2015 #20
You don't even seem to know Bernie's positions. His candidacy will be a big voter draw here in Bluenorthwest May 2015 #15
. Agschmid May 2015 #19
Nice summary! peacebird May 2015 #27
Check out the Bernie Sanders Bulletin Board for more! Agschmid May 2015 #31
women's issues stage left May 2015 #91
These positions are too radical for most Americans to handle. Major Hogwash May 2015 #117
Do you think LWolf May 2015 #21
I am worried about the same thing, I live in NYS, the only real vote to cast is primary but Dragonfli May 2015 #46
In '08, LWolf May 2015 #47
Totally agree BrotherIvan May 2015 #23
After our 2010 state legislature loss here, due to low turnout, gerrymandering handed our state over struggle4progress May 2015 #24
Welcome to my world. Major Hogwash May 2015 #120
I don't accept advice from Teabaggers or others significantly to my right. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #26
I suspect internet chatter is no substitute for dialing phones and jingling doorbells: struggle4progress May 2015 #29
Thank you for yet more advice that I won't need from you. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #32
Have a lovely day! struggle4progress May 2015 #33
that right there is what gives the Sanders campaign a bad name.. some of his supporters on DU who Cha May 2015 #50
Hey there, big brave keyboard warrior. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #60
Oh no.. you're the "big brave keyboard warrior" always dropping mean spirted crap and not expecting Cha May 2015 #63
It's hard to receive pushback when you misdirect it to someone else. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #96
Here's my answer...SS is Socialism, free Education is Socialism, free Fire and Police are Socialism, libdem4life May 2015 #35
Try that argument on some relatives/friends who aren't as liberal as you... brooklynite May 2015 #37
Oh, I have. They get glassy-eyed, but I always win. You can't deny it. Do you pay when the fire libdem4life May 2015 #38
But I would contend they don't see that as "socialism"...and honestly, neither do I brooklynite May 2015 #40
Clearly, you don't me or my family. This has been going on for 45 years. Has nothing to do with libdem4life May 2015 #44
Actually, the term social democratic is easier to understand until they are OTT. My sister, a bagger freshwest May 2015 #109
Of course. But you assume the general electorate actually listens to rational argument. Adrahil May 2015 #111
I don't consider it an argument. I just present it as fact...ends the discussion. libdem4life May 2015 #112
Here's a clue...neither candidate will run a 50 State Strategy... brooklynite May 2015 #36
I suspect you're right but it breaks my heart struggle4progress May 2015 #42
Advice from you? 99Forever May 2015 #49
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Phlem May 2015 #54
^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX May 2015 #73
And OP doesn't know the difference between DINOs and yellowdogs...but IS a DEM... Rex May 2015 #82
When I first read this post, he described himself as a blue dog. Marr May 2015 #84
I just wish blue dogs had the guts to admit to it here and stop pretending to be liberals. nt Rex May 2015 #85
Yeah: that was sloppy of me struggle4progress May 2015 #97
Excellent advice from someone who's had so much experience on the ground. LOL @ these Bernie Cha May 2015 #53
! Phlem May 2015 #55
Project much? Katashi_itto May 2015 #58
You know it's true.. and that's all you have. Figures. Cha May 2015 #62
Lol...again project much? Katashi_itto May 2015 #64
Parrot much. Cha May 2015 #65
Only if its true. See #58 Katashi_itto May 2015 #66
And we've still got a long way to go! Major Hogwash May 2015 #68
I don't think Bernie would be proud of some of the bully supporters around here Cha May 2015 #71
Oh, I agree totally. Major Hogwash May 2015 #72
Hey Cha sheshe2 May 2015 #107
I was on that Jury, too. You should have been asleep there, Bah-stun! freshwest May 2015 #115
Lol~ sheshe2 May 2015 #116
Advice for Clinton supporters Aerows May 2015 #70
The panicked, almost hysterical SUPPORT from this man's supporters here is bizarre and unsettling Number23 May 2015 #76
Watch and learn. n/t 99Forever May 2015 #77
Yeah, I'm "watching" this place go off the deep end. Again. Number23 May 2015 #78
Oh I know... 99Forever May 2015 #87
See what I mean about hysterical, "panicked" support? Thanks for proving my point. Number23 May 2015 #100
Of course I did... 99Forever May 2015 #110
This post doesn't make a bit of sense. It's obvious you want to refute something I've said Number23 May 2015 #113
Simply put: 99Forever May 2015 #118
There was nothing condescending and sure as hell nothing untrue in my post Number23 May 2015 #119
Sad truth, I think they are like that in RL and have no idea. nt. Rex May 2015 #121
Ain't that the truth. n/t 99Forever May 2015 #122
Like what, Rex? Like "what" in real life? Number23 May 2015 #123
"hysterical"? How sexist! nt Bonobo May 2015 #92
The hysteria comes especially when they're using rw sites to try and make their rw talking points.. Cha May 2015 #94
Interesting that a Republican polling firm polled her unfavorability rating lower than national ones JonLP24 May 2015 #98
I really must not pay attention at all to Fox News JonLP24 May 2015 #95
I liked Dean too. I learned alot about Kucinich's time in Ohio from DUers here. It wasn't pretty Number23 May 2015 #101
He seems to be saying the things to appeal to those "Warren supporters" JonLP24 May 2015 #102
Re: "....they can blanket DU with thread after thread...." chknltl May 2015 #103
Here sheshe2 May 2015 #104
Yes, that garnered a 7-0 for Leave It Alone. Will not be alerting for a day, I guess. n/t freshwest May 2015 #105
Stupid Fucking Alert! sheshe2 May 2015 #106
Thanks fresh and sheshe! Number23 May 2015 #114
Socialism modeled after Canada & Europe fadedrose May 2015 #86
Sanders already knows what he believes AgingAmerican May 2015 #88
I've seen philosphical articles from the RW JonLP24 May 2015 #89
A question for everyone else. How will all the answers pan out to the issues mmonk May 2015 #99
The R's will call any D candidate a "socialist" quaker bill May 2015 #108
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