Taking a radical right-wing position on the part of an outgroup is not "liberalism."

[True Blue Door]

35. So you deny yeahbutting, then immediately yeahbut.

As for the innocent victims of US foreign policy, one could zoom out the context even further - far further than you find convenient - and ask why you're more concerned with those thousands than the millions who die via domestic tyrants and chaotic insurgencies.

Then you would of course mention that we support(ed) some of those tyrants, and cause(d) some of those insurgencies, not noticing that you're contradicting yourself: On the one hand saying we are to blame when tyrants are in control, then on the other saying we are also to blame if and when tyrants lose control and chaos ensues. In other words, everything that happens in the world is America's responsibility, but at the same time we are monsters if and when we ever attempt to exercise such responsibility.

It's the Blame America Game, and it's a pretty old one at this point - one that right-wingers always conveniently throw back in our faces when they are doing truly monstrous things, because people like you can't tell the difference between civilian casualties in wars fought in defense of life from atrocities committed in deliberate acts of conquest. There's no moral reasoning that can convince you of anything other than that we're the problem, and that puts your ideology squarely in the Yeahbut box.

You're just not going to accept that the problems of that region are far beyond the capabilities of this country to have caused, let alone to have fixed, and yet you find it convenient to blame us no matter what happens. So it causes you deep irritation when events deny you the moral high ground for a moment and you have to briefly step off your hypocritical high horse. Whatever the degree, there's a lot of the same type of thinking I talked about going on in your reasoning.

The way you judge this country is not proportional to facts, and not rooted in actual history. You start from the premise that we're the problem and then collect excuses.

Here's what I know: I can ruthlessly and mercilessly mock the dominant religious beliefs in this country, in public, in front of the people who hold those beliefs, and have zero fear. I can ruthlessly and mercilessly mock the dominant political beliefs in this country, in public, in front of people who hold those beliefs, and have zero fear. And none of that is true in any majority-Muslim country on Earth. Not one.

So when you react like this, it really makes me wonder what the hell you think you stand for. Do you think you stand for civilians in Islamic countries who would be (and routinely are) massacred by ISIS when we don't kill their militias first? Do horrors not exist for you if they don't happen with a US flag stamped on them? I just will never understand this kind of ideological viewpoint that treats people like they're not real - like the value of their lives is relative to an arbitrary agenda.