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Ken Burch

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3. Pam Gellar is not the victim-she's the provocateur. She wanted to get people killed

Mon May 4, 2015, 05:10 AM

May 2015

So she could have her insane battle to the death against all Muslims.

I made no rationalizations.

You would agree that everyone should give this stupid, senselessly inflammatory"we have the right to draw Muhammad" thing a rest, though, wouldn't you? You would agree that it isn't something that's more important than preventing war, right?

Only a hate-based war-loving, world-despising reactionary would insist on pushing for such a meaningless "right".

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It's wrong to try to kill people for drawing The Prophet-It's insane to goad people into drawing him [View all] Ken Burch May 2015 OP

blame the victim always is a losing proposition CBGLuthier May 2015 #1

Pam Gellar is not the victim-she's the provocateur. She wanted to get people killed Ken Burch May 2015 #3

So give in to the violent assholes leftynyc May 2015 #31

+1 forthemiddle May 2015 #55

Agreed -- This was a stupid, irresponsible provocation and nothing more. whathehell May 2015 #103

It's called: be careful what you wish for. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #108

I call it "deliberate provocation" and for what? -- To see if our "rights" are still working? whathehell May 2015 #136

Yes, well put. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #148

Thank you. n/t whathehell May 2015 #156

... cwydro May 2015 #4

This seems to be straight out of the Wahabbism playbook JonLP24 May 2015 #22

And all those protestors, constantly goading cops Recursion May 2015 #2

Totally different. Ken Burch May 2015 #5

Huh? Sure I can. Recursion May 2015 #7

Nobody now is pushing for the right to draw muhammad for any reasons associated with art. Ken Burch May 2015 #12

Excuse me? How many Muslim artists do you know? Recursion May 2015 #16

Charlie Hebdo pushes for that right; they want peace, are progressive and humane (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #20

That's a pig-ignorant statement, sit. Codeine May 2015 #73

Not different at all leftynyc May 2015 #8

It is certainly hate in this case JonLP24 May 2015 #28

And really, people often misunderstand the whole point about the ban on depicting the Prophet. Ken Burch May 2015 #129

I think typically these events are about slamming the whole sect JonLP24 May 2015 #131

Thanks for that information. Ken Burch May 2015 #160

Well done leftynyc May 2015 #6

Drawing The Prophet has nothing to do with free speech. Ken Burch May 2015 #15

What other forms of expression don't merit being called "free speech"? Flag burning? Recursion May 2015 #18

It's free speech but offensive at the same time treestar May 2015 #95

Yeah, I do beat the "thug" drum because of where I live Recursion May 2015 #99

It seems to be a tough issue to discuss treestar May 2015 #101

It has EVERYTHING to do with free speech leftynyc May 2015 #19

Sometimes freedom is worth the danger Shoulders of Giants May 2015 #33

"Sometimes"? whathehell May 2015 #139

I'm not a afraid of death. Shoulders of Giants May 2015 #159

I'm not afraid of dying, myself. Ken Burch May 2015 #163

You're full of shit. Codeine May 2015 #34

+1...nt SidDithers May 2015 #44

+1 n/t tammywammy May 2015 #46

This PeaceNikki May 2015 #47

+2. nt sufrommich May 2015 #49

+5 joshcryer May 2015 #63

If I end up on your jury I'm voting to KEEP IT. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #64

+1000. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #86

yep. nt m-lekktor May 2015 #87

+666 Throd May 2015 #123

Your posts in this thread to be hateful and insulting to some of my deepest moral beliefs Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #57

Says fucking who? Who made you the goddamned arbiter of what is and what isn't free speech? Pfft. n/ X_Digger May 2015 #60

It has every thing to do with free speech. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #84

Can you seriously mean that? oberliner May 2015 #94

Oh for fuck's sake, Ken Scootaloo May 2015 #104

Bingo! Excellent post. Starboard Tack May 2015 #118

Well stated. Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #158

It has EVERYTHING to do with free speech. Goblinmonger May 2015 #106

Did you have the same reaction to the Piss Christ exhibition or is this "different" ? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #119

That piece was created in a Western society where Freedom of Speech is accepted whathehell May 2015 #142

Figuratively pissing on Christ and drawing photos of Mohammed are protected expression. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #146

It may be "protected", but it's still flat out stupid and irresponsible and whathehell May 2015 #147

+1 joshcryer May 2015 #11

Goading cops, are you serious? JonLP24 May 2015 #24

The statement was rhetorical. joshcryer May 2015 #65

I caught on to it eventually JonLP24 May 2015 #91

Sorry, yeah, that sarcasm wasn't obvious Recursion May 2015 #102

1st fucking amendment. joshcryer May 2015 #9

Only applies to the government. Jester Messiah May 2015 #58

Erm, I called for counter protest. joshcryer May 2015 #62

Meh. [nt] Jester Messiah May 2015 #66

That about sums it up. joshcryer May 2015 #69

Pam Geller is a disgusting human leftynyc May 2015 #10

I condemn the gunmen. Ken Burch May 2015 #13

Religion is mocked on a daily basis leftynyc May 2015 #17

There's a very simple point, actually. Codeine May 2015 #36

Just like you don't have the right to yell fire in a crowded theatre, Geller doesn't have the right to put others' lives in danger... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #111

Which part of her speech should we outlaw? nt sufrommich May 2015 #113

The part where she or anyone else yells "FIRE!" in the proverbial "crowded theatre". InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #114

Which is what exactly? tammywammy May 2015 #116

Should we outlaw the Westboro Baptist Church too? sufrommich May 2015 #117

If it was up to me, we'd just let some bikers end the WBC Ken Burch May 2015 #165

That's a breathtakingly stupid comparison. Codeine May 2015 #120

the people involved in the civil rights movement risked danger to themselves and others cemaphonic May 2015 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch May 2015 #162

Maybe so, but if you are going to talk about backlashes, let's be honest here. Bonobo May 2015 #14

They are blaming the wrong guy JonLP24 May 2015 #21

I'm confused---have they identified the Gunmen...??? trumad May 2015 #23

I doubt you're as confused as you say you are JonLP24 May 2015 #26

Uh yeah I am confused,... trumad May 2015 #32

The Wahabbi sect has been consistent over the image & idolatry issues JonLP24 May 2015 #43

Logical maybe---Fact? No trumad May 2015 #56

One of them has been identified and is known to the FBI as a jihadist. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #90

One of them. A wanna-be Jihadist. nt Codeine May 2015 #39

Oh, here we go with the "butbutbuts" Warren DeMontague May 2015 #25

Look at all the buts. Lots of buts. Really, really BIG buts. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #61

There's something rather strange about this story. kentuck May 2015 #27

Well America has been oil partners with Saudi Arabia since the 1930s` JonLP24 May 2015 #38

Thank you for posting the daily dose of victim blaming. Inkfreak May 2015 #29

Yep. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #35

So, gay marriage should be banned because it offensive to some Christians ? 4139 May 2015 #30

If people die their blood is on the hands of their killers. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #37

Yep! Well said! n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #68

No, I completely disagree. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #78

Yeah, but there are these things called whathehell May 2015 #145

So, by your logic, abortion clinics shouldn't exist because they 'goad' the nuts to bomb them? PeaceNikki May 2015 #40

+1000. sufrommich May 2015 #45

Gay people goad those who bash us simply by existing. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #52

Well if you'd just stop being so GAY and offensive to them.... PeaceNikki May 2015 #53

The OP is thus far refusing to address any of these questions. Just dismissing them out of hand as Bluenorthwest May 2015 #59

Some here are so weirdly protective of Muslims it clouds all logic. PeaceNikki May 2015 #67

It's a few things. I have a theory or two. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #74

Abortion clinics serve a purpose treestar May 2015 #81

Eye of the beholder, isn't it? PeaceNikki May 2015 #83

Perhaps treestar May 2015 #93

No, not perhaps. It's DEFINITELY in the eye of the beholder. PeaceNikki May 2015 #109

No they don't treestar May 2015 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author treestar May 2015 #92

Victim blaming... SidDithers May 2015 #41

Pam Geller is a hate monger Gothmog May 2015 #42

So, wait, they didn't wait until after the fact... joshcryer May 2015 #50

Please explain. In your way of thinking, would LGBT people have to die off because we offend Bluenorthwest May 2015 #48

This is one of the most repugnant screeds ever published on DU. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #51

Agreed. It's disgusting. PeaceNikki May 2015 #54

Hear hear. X_Digger May 2015 #70

Nah, he wrote equally repugnant shit after Charlie Hebdo. Codeine May 2015 #140

If you don't like Freedom of Speech, you're free to leave. NutmegYankee May 2015 #71

You are ignorning many very direct questions put to you in regard to how your theory applies in Bluenorthwest May 2015 #72

The Muslim community does not agree with you and it seems you're feeding into a meme they Jefferson23 May 2015 #75

No- it's wrong to enable violent assholes to get their way Lee-Lee May 2015 #76

What the fuck is wrong with you? Oktober May 2015 #77

and each time she does it, she'll proclaim 'freedom of speech' SummerSnow May 2015 #79

And she'll be right. nt sufrommich May 2015 #82

she would be. Constitutional scapegoating. SummerSnow May 2015 #85

Which is precisely what it is. nt Codeine May 2015 #121

Sorry, this is first amendment rights still_one May 2015 #80

I might agree if we were in a Muslim country and actively mocking them. randome May 2015 #88

I get where you are coming from treestar May 2015 #89

UNREC brooklynite May 2015 #96

There was more involved than just the art. Ken Burch May 2015 #128

Now, we're still allowed to insult Christianity, right? It's only Islam that gets a pass? brooklynite May 2015 #143

Oh, well in that case, I can see your point cemaphonic May 2015 #154

WOW Mr Dixon May 2015 #97

Fuck tht noise. VScott May 2015 #98

2001: Affronted by Nude 'Last Supper,' Giuliani Calls for Decency Panel brooklynite May 2015 #100

For posterity... SidDithers May 2015 #105

It's like that minister who publicly burned Korans mainer May 2015 #107

The answer to this is simple.. Feron May 2015 #110

Are you ever leftynyc May 2015 #112

I can understand your point of view, Ken. To me, protesting or raising holy hell over... BlueJazz May 2015 #115

There is an important idea here though cemaphonic May 2015 #155

The best thing to do to Pam Gellar is ignore her. nt CJCRANE May 2015 #122

"She has to be stopped". And how would you do that without setting a horrible precedent? Throd May 2015 #124

Agreed. Depraved Indifference Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #125

That's really silly get the red out May 2015 #126

We should have a draw Mohammad thread Bonx May 2015 #127

you setup the OP here is a website you can use...then save image and upload to free share snooper2 May 2015 #132

Please explain why the First Amendment does not apply in that case. longship May 2015 #130

This OP surrenders to any and all fascist claims on free speech. Yorktown May 2015 #133

I am Charlie Hebdo... oh wait, conservatives were attacked? They were asking for it. hughee99 May 2015 #134

+1 beam me up scottie May 2015 #149

If insulting a prophet leads you to kill someone. NCTraveler May 2015 #135

I think both groups are absolutely disgusting Skittles May 2015 #150

+1 ohnoyoudidnt May 2015 #164

Seems to me that two wrongs made a right. backscatter712 May 2015 #137

If "our children [are] soldiers unto their tenth generation" Codeine May 2015 #141

+1 YoungDemCA May 2015 #144

what do you mean by "she has to be stopped" ? JI7 May 2015 #151

Through protest, through people calling her out for her fascist bullshit. Ken Burch May 2015 #161

Killing people over religion is horrible. 6000eliot May 2015 #153

This was about one person organizing a religion-mocking event Ken Burch May 2015 #166

Fuck Mohammad. BlueStater May 2015 #157