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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
45. Thank you for your response.
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:17 AM
May 2015

I find myself in strong agreement with your first two paragraphs. Certainly with the gerrymandering and the focus on local elections, Republicans have cleverly entrenched themselves and were able to make bureaucratic changes that have made it easier to affect reforms in line with their agenda and I agree we must do the same. You are right that focusing on the presidency is a mistake and I thank you for that reminder.

However, wrt the term "left" meaning nothing, that is both true and not true. Like all words, it is meant to signify something and if the term has been watered down, we have politics, willful misdirection and bloviating all over the internet to thank for that. But it still means something to me and that includes, of necessity, a focus on economic equality (wealth distribution), and the very social issues that you are trying to say are being "peeled off" by the "top 10% vs. 1%".

I certainly do not think social issues are inferior in the least, although I do think that they are used somewhat cynically by some politicians as soon as it becomes clear that they are "safe" enough such as the relatively recent conversion on Gay rights by some D-named pols, etc. Economic redistribution is a much more dangerous position to take because it cuts across party lines. While all Dems will overwhelmingly agree that Gay rights and equal pay for women are the 100% right thing to do, when you start to advocate for serious economic reform and changing tax structures, THAT is when you put yourself in hot water with the wealthy of your own party. It is for that reason that I admire Sanders and feel gun-shy about the Clintons and their big money support.

So to sum up on my side, I agree with your summation 1 and 2, but your 3 seems strange to me. Because it appears to be the safe social issues that all Dems agree with but the rather cowardly adherence to the Wall street corporacracy supporting most of the inequality (social and economic -which I do not think as different as you seem to suggest).

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Works for me. blm May 2015 #1
So far we have two candidates who are saying the same basic thing. Thinkingabout May 2015 #2
That really doesn't seem to address the issue. Bonobo May 2015 #4
His vote on the ISIS Resolution deeply troubles me, I do not have any confidence Thinkingabout May 2015 #7
If you really want to go fight in Syria, the FSA is always recruiting Scootaloo May 2015 #12
"Do I want the candidates pulled further left, no that is not where we need to go." Bonobo May 2015 #13
You mean the vote on whether to send advanced arms to "Syrian Rebels"? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #33
Campaign rhetoric is one thing. Living your life a certain way is another. merrily May 2015 #8
Don't you disagree with ALL of Sen. Sanders' positions? morningfog May 2015 #14
Whoosh! TM99 May 2015 #15
They are not saying the same thing. cui bono May 2015 #18
Wow. Sen Sanders has addressed all kinds of different issues. Go to his website and rhett o rick May 2015 #24
You don't like Bernie, but love Hillary and stillwaiting May 2015 #46
Likewise you dont like Hillary and you love Bernie. Thinkingabout May 2015 #47
I'm not the one saying that they are basically for the same things. stillwaiting May 2015 #48
Have you been listening to Hillary and Bernie? Thinkingabout May 2015 #49
You are falsely trying to paint Hillary as the same as Bernie. stillwaiting May 2015 #50
I don't want Hillary to be the same as Bernie, I gave you the issues they are both talking about. Thinkingabout May 2015 #51
I just thanked you. No idea why you think I'm badgering you. Wasn't my intent. stillwaiting May 2015 #53
Three times asking the same question might be badgering. Thinkingabout May 2015 #54
You never answered my questions. stillwaiting May 2015 #56
It may be that Americans are suckers for perceived "winners" 99th_Monkey May 2015 #3
How to explain Red Sox fans between sale of Babe Ruth and 2004? merrily May 2015 #17
I'm going with Bernie.. eloydude May 2015 #5
I agree that we have moved beyond the time when we can "triangulate". Bonobo May 2015 #9
Do you assume that all DU posters want the Party moved left? If so, I disagree. merrily May 2015 #6
That COULD be an error on my part, I guess. Bonobo May 2015 #11
There have always been center-left Dems here who believe in their positions. blm May 2015 #23
I think it would be safe for you to delete all the cautionary words in there. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #26
Agree. There are centrists who don't know they aren't left, or at least claim that. cui bono May 2015 #19
I might not make Bernie the litmus test, but I stand by my post for a panoply of other reasons. nt merrily May 2015 #20
"You can't be a liberal or progressive and not get behind Bernie." pnwmom May 2015 #38
: onecaliberal May 2015 #10
Even tho we lost the 2014 elections fadedrose May 2015 #16
Very true, fadedrose. Pot certainly won as well. There may have been more in a few states as wel. merrily May 2015 #21
I don't think you are understanding what really happened to the two parties. TM99 May 2015 #22
Well said. I will repeat it. rhett o rick May 2015 #25
She must be MADE to abandon it with a forceful opposition from traditional base. Bonobo May 2015 #27
I don't want HRC to "abandon" anything. Her ideology won't change. rhett o rick May 2015 #29
I don't share your hope that this can happen. TM99 May 2015 #32
Not "a" progressive. joshcryer May 2015 #28
You mean I should think in the plural, I take it? Bonobo May 2015 #30
A top candidate would help. joshcryer May 2015 #31
No. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #34
Yes and that is why I support Hillary Clinton, who has a decades-long NYC Liberal May 2015 #35
She ran to the right of Obama. Bonobo May 2015 #36
Being progressive on social issues alone TM99 May 2015 #37
Progressive? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #39
Well, you are probably right. TM99 May 2015 #42
I'm on board Aerows May 2015 #40
dems and the left will continue to kiss rw ass certainot May 2015 #41
Not if people continue to focus on the presidency alone BainsBane May 2015 #43
Thank you for your response. Bonobo May 2015 #45
The only Republican President of the last 20 years had to expand Medicare and Education spending Recursion May 2015 #44
Major programs and polices will move the party left or right. The ACA was a leftward shift Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #52
Only if we win the White House. geek tragedy May 2015 #55
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