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joshcryer

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9. 1st fucking amendment.

Mon May 4, 2015, 05:18 AM

May 2015

This shit might fly in other countries, and I might even agree, but here we have this shit, and we have to back it even if it is totally inappropriate bullshit.

This is akin to the moral panic over flag burning. Get the fuck over it.

Fuck Pam Geller. Boycott or protest that shit if you want to have an effect. Don't bemoan it after the fact.

Nazi's have been run out of towns here, but not after the fact, not after it made the news, not after people got wind of it. It happens as it happens. If you wanted to stop the exhibit the time was days before it even happened.

Not in "retrospect."

Not, aww, some poor murderers were upset, and managed to get themselves killed. Had there been a remote protest it may be that the assholes would've seen it and changed their minds.

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It's wrong to try to kill people for drawing The Prophet-It's insane to goad people into drawing him [View all] Ken Burch May 2015 OP

blame the victim always is a losing proposition CBGLuthier May 2015 #1

Pam Gellar is not the victim-she's the provocateur. She wanted to get people killed Ken Burch May 2015 #3

So give in to the violent assholes leftynyc May 2015 #31

+1 forthemiddle May 2015 #55

Agreed -- This was a stupid, irresponsible provocation and nothing more. whathehell May 2015 #103

It's called: be careful what you wish for. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #108

I call it "deliberate provocation" and for what? -- To see if our "rights" are still working? whathehell May 2015 #136

Yes, well put. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #148

Thank you. n/t whathehell May 2015 #156

... cwydro May 2015 #4

This seems to be straight out of the Wahabbism playbook JonLP24 May 2015 #22

And all those protestors, constantly goading cops Recursion May 2015 #2

Totally different. Ken Burch May 2015 #5

Huh? Sure I can. Recursion May 2015 #7

Nobody now is pushing for the right to draw muhammad for any reasons associated with art. Ken Burch May 2015 #12

Excuse me? How many Muslim artists do you know? Recursion May 2015 #16

Charlie Hebdo pushes for that right; they want peace, are progressive and humane (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #20

That's a pig-ignorant statement, sit. Codeine May 2015 #73

Not different at all leftynyc May 2015 #8

It is certainly hate in this case JonLP24 May 2015 #28

And really, people often misunderstand the whole point about the ban on depicting the Prophet. Ken Burch May 2015 #129

I think typically these events are about slamming the whole sect JonLP24 May 2015 #131

Thanks for that information. Ken Burch May 2015 #160

Well done leftynyc May 2015 #6

Drawing The Prophet has nothing to do with free speech. Ken Burch May 2015 #15

What other forms of expression don't merit being called "free speech"? Flag burning? Recursion May 2015 #18

It's free speech but offensive at the same time treestar May 2015 #95

Yeah, I do beat the "thug" drum because of where I live Recursion May 2015 #99

It seems to be a tough issue to discuss treestar May 2015 #101

It has EVERYTHING to do with free speech leftynyc May 2015 #19

Sometimes freedom is worth the danger Shoulders of Giants May 2015 #33

"Sometimes"? whathehell May 2015 #139

I'm not a afraid of death. Shoulders of Giants May 2015 #159

I'm not afraid of dying, myself. Ken Burch May 2015 #163

You're full of shit. Codeine May 2015 #34

+1...nt SidDithers May 2015 #44

+1 n/t tammywammy May 2015 #46

This PeaceNikki May 2015 #47

+2. nt sufrommich May 2015 #49

+5 joshcryer May 2015 #63

If I end up on your jury I'm voting to KEEP IT. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #64

+1000. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #86

yep. nt m-lekktor May 2015 #87

+666 Throd May 2015 #123

Your posts in this thread to be hateful and insulting to some of my deepest moral beliefs Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #57

Says fucking who? Who made you the goddamned arbiter of what is and what isn't free speech? Pfft. n/ X_Digger May 2015 #60

It has every thing to do with free speech. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #84

Can you seriously mean that? oberliner May 2015 #94

Oh for fuck's sake, Ken Scootaloo May 2015 #104

Bingo! Excellent post. Starboard Tack May 2015 #118

Well stated. Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #158

It has EVERYTHING to do with free speech. Goblinmonger May 2015 #106

Did you have the same reaction to the Piss Christ exhibition or is this "different" ? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #119

That piece was created in a Western society where Freedom of Speech is accepted whathehell May 2015 #142

Figuratively pissing on Christ and drawing photos of Mohammed are protected expression. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #146

It may be "protected", but it's still flat out stupid and irresponsible and whathehell May 2015 #147

+1 joshcryer May 2015 #11

Goading cops, are you serious? JonLP24 May 2015 #24

The statement was rhetorical. joshcryer May 2015 #65

I caught on to it eventually JonLP24 May 2015 #91

Sorry, yeah, that sarcasm wasn't obvious Recursion May 2015 #102

1st fucking amendment. joshcryer May 2015 #9

Only applies to the government. Jester Messiah May 2015 #58

Erm, I called for counter protest. joshcryer May 2015 #62

Meh. [nt] Jester Messiah May 2015 #66

That about sums it up. joshcryer May 2015 #69

Pam Geller is a disgusting human leftynyc May 2015 #10

I condemn the gunmen. Ken Burch May 2015 #13

Religion is mocked on a daily basis leftynyc May 2015 #17

There's a very simple point, actually. Codeine May 2015 #36

Just like you don't have the right to yell fire in a crowded theatre, Geller doesn't have the right to put others' lives in danger... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #111

Which part of her speech should we outlaw? nt sufrommich May 2015 #113

The part where she or anyone else yells "FIRE!" in the proverbial "crowded theatre". InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #114

Which is what exactly? tammywammy May 2015 #116

Should we outlaw the Westboro Baptist Church too? sufrommich May 2015 #117

If it was up to me, we'd just let some bikers end the WBC Ken Burch May 2015 #165

That's a breathtakingly stupid comparison. Codeine May 2015 #120

the people involved in the civil rights movement risked danger to themselves and others cemaphonic May 2015 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch May 2015 #162

Maybe so, but if you are going to talk about backlashes, let's be honest here. Bonobo May 2015 #14

They are blaming the wrong guy JonLP24 May 2015 #21

I'm confused---have they identified the Gunmen...??? trumad May 2015 #23

I doubt you're as confused as you say you are JonLP24 May 2015 #26

Uh yeah I am confused,... trumad May 2015 #32

The Wahabbi sect has been consistent over the image & idolatry issues JonLP24 May 2015 #43

Logical maybe---Fact? No trumad May 2015 #56

One of them has been identified and is known to the FBI as a jihadist. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #90

One of them. A wanna-be Jihadist. nt Codeine May 2015 #39

Oh, here we go with the "butbutbuts" Warren DeMontague May 2015 #25

Look at all the buts. Lots of buts. Really, really BIG buts. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #61

There's something rather strange about this story. kentuck May 2015 #27

Well America has been oil partners with Saudi Arabia since the 1930s` JonLP24 May 2015 #38

Thank you for posting the daily dose of victim blaming. Inkfreak May 2015 #29

Yep. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #35

So, gay marriage should be banned because it offensive to some Christians ? 4139 May 2015 #30

If people die their blood is on the hands of their killers. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #37

Yep! Well said! n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #68

No, I completely disagree. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #78

Yeah, but there are these things called whathehell May 2015 #145

So, by your logic, abortion clinics shouldn't exist because they 'goad' the nuts to bomb them? PeaceNikki May 2015 #40

+1000. sufrommich May 2015 #45

Gay people goad those who bash us simply by existing. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #52

Well if you'd just stop being so GAY and offensive to them.... PeaceNikki May 2015 #53

The OP is thus far refusing to address any of these questions. Just dismissing them out of hand as Bluenorthwest May 2015 #59

Some here are so weirdly protective of Muslims it clouds all logic. PeaceNikki May 2015 #67

It's a few things. I have a theory or two. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #74

Abortion clinics serve a purpose treestar May 2015 #81

Eye of the beholder, isn't it? PeaceNikki May 2015 #83

Perhaps treestar May 2015 #93

No, not perhaps. It's DEFINITELY in the eye of the beholder. PeaceNikki May 2015 #109

No they don't treestar May 2015 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author treestar May 2015 #92

Victim blaming... SidDithers May 2015 #41

Pam Geller is a hate monger Gothmog May 2015 #42

So, wait, they didn't wait until after the fact... joshcryer May 2015 #50

Please explain. In your way of thinking, would LGBT people have to die off because we offend Bluenorthwest May 2015 #48

This is one of the most repugnant screeds ever published on DU. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #51

Agreed. It's disgusting. PeaceNikki May 2015 #54

Hear hear. X_Digger May 2015 #70

Nah, he wrote equally repugnant shit after Charlie Hebdo. Codeine May 2015 #140

If you don't like Freedom of Speech, you're free to leave. NutmegYankee May 2015 #71

You are ignorning many very direct questions put to you in regard to how your theory applies in Bluenorthwest May 2015 #72

The Muslim community does not agree with you and it seems you're feeding into a meme they Jefferson23 May 2015 #75

No- it's wrong to enable violent assholes to get their way Lee-Lee May 2015 #76

What the fuck is wrong with you? Oktober May 2015 #77

and each time she does it, she'll proclaim 'freedom of speech' SummerSnow May 2015 #79

And she'll be right. nt sufrommich May 2015 #82

she would be. Constitutional scapegoating. SummerSnow May 2015 #85

Which is precisely what it is. nt Codeine May 2015 #121

Sorry, this is first amendment rights still_one May 2015 #80

I might agree if we were in a Muslim country and actively mocking them. randome May 2015 #88

I get where you are coming from treestar May 2015 #89

UNREC brooklynite May 2015 #96

There was more involved than just the art. Ken Burch May 2015 #128

Now, we're still allowed to insult Christianity, right? It's only Islam that gets a pass? brooklynite May 2015 #143

Oh, well in that case, I can see your point cemaphonic May 2015 #154

WOW Mr Dixon May 2015 #97

Fuck tht noise. VScott May 2015 #98

2001: Affronted by Nude 'Last Supper,' Giuliani Calls for Decency Panel brooklynite May 2015 #100

For posterity... SidDithers May 2015 #105

It's like that minister who publicly burned Korans mainer May 2015 #107

The answer to this is simple.. Feron May 2015 #110

Are you ever leftynyc May 2015 #112

I can understand your point of view, Ken. To me, protesting or raising holy hell over... BlueJazz May 2015 #115

There is an important idea here though cemaphonic May 2015 #155

The best thing to do to Pam Gellar is ignore her. nt CJCRANE May 2015 #122

"She has to be stopped". And how would you do that without setting a horrible precedent? Throd May 2015 #124

Agreed. Depraved Indifference Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #125

That's really silly get the red out May 2015 #126

We should have a draw Mohammad thread Bonx May 2015 #127

you setup the OP here is a website you can use...then save image and upload to free share snooper2 May 2015 #132

Please explain why the First Amendment does not apply in that case. longship May 2015 #130

This OP surrenders to any and all fascist claims on free speech. Yorktown May 2015 #133

I am Charlie Hebdo... oh wait, conservatives were attacked? They were asking for it. hughee99 May 2015 #134

+1 beam me up scottie May 2015 #149

If insulting a prophet leads you to kill someone. NCTraveler May 2015 #135

I think both groups are absolutely disgusting Skittles May 2015 #150

+1 ohnoyoudidnt May 2015 #164

Seems to me that two wrongs made a right. backscatter712 May 2015 #137

If "our children [are] soldiers unto their tenth generation" Codeine May 2015 #141

+1 YoungDemCA May 2015 #144

what do you mean by "she has to be stopped" ? JI7 May 2015 #151

Through protest, through people calling her out for her fascist bullshit. Ken Burch May 2015 #161

Killing people over religion is horrible. 6000eliot May 2015 #153

This was about one person organizing a religion-mocking event Ken Burch May 2015 #166

Fuck Mohammad. BlueStater May 2015 #157