Some advice for Sanders supporters

[freshwest]

109. Actually, the term social democratic is easier to understand until they are OTT. My sister, a bagger

recently got enlightened by the help she got from Obamacare, her hopes for women and gay rights from Hillary, getting on Social Security and Medicare.

It was warming her up. Want to know about this family member, take a look. I don't know that it will take 5 minutes, so perhaps you are having some eye or computer problems, as the post you said took you 5 minutes took me more life a half a dozen minutes, but then I understood the concept he's arging already.

So I may be wasting my time, and you may not want to read this tale of a big turnaround:

Called teabag relation yesterday although I didn't expect to do much good in Glennbeckistan.
Sounded the most rational I'd heard in years after the absolute hysteria I'd endured just before the election. It had been building up since 2008 and got worse from 2010 on. This is the post of what happened in November:

** Am copying what the link says for you below:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021449535#post15

So now I call her, not expecting much at all. Her mood was completely changed, she was relaxed and happy talking about how they are going to go on Medicare and all of that.

I deliberately hadn't called her for over a month. She didn't feel any need to talk about Obama at all this time. What happened, I didn't dare ask.

**Glennbeckistan on me. I didn't know that this article is what spurred the insanity for yesterday!

She was ranting about 'Obama going to foreign countries' making deals on importing millions of Mexicans to win elections. Said how they were are all being given driver licenses, put on welfare, so of course they would all vote for Democrats!

To which I said, we don't do that up here (upper Left Coast blue state) and you should talk to your Governor Perry about it being done down there. I went into how we didn't have many illegals except in the red areas where they're used for cheap labor.

She wanted to know why, and I said we are not a Right-to-Work (for less) state, our legislature doesn't give welfare to illegals, nor licenses, nor do they vote. She was mildly comforted at that idea, wasn't sure if Texas was doing it, but didn't bring up California at all. I doubt she knew.

I tried to shift the conversation over to a friend who'd just paid off her home and retired, put on solat panels, etc. That we were also making use of wind power and hydroelectric, etc. and our light company is non-profit. She said it'll never work in Texas, and I pointed out the large amount of wind turbines in the west part of the state I'd seen and even talked to those putting them up.

She said that had not worked out, but I said it had for those I knew who built them for their farms and used them to get off the grid. I suggested that with all that sunshine in Texas, it could lead the way with solar power. She said the weather was too bad. I remarked since we have 310+ million people and are predicted to have many more people by the turn of the century, we'll have to try harder.

That led her back to blaming that increase on illegal Mexicans having millions of babies on welfare so the Democrats would win elections. So she finally began to froth at the mouth, talking about how 'this isn't the country I grew up in!' and 'this is a Christian Nation, and 'if they don't like it they can go back to where they came from!'

I started to say that most Mexicans are Christians, but she was on a roll. Warmed up, she yelled, 'We can't take four more years of Obama turning us into Communism!' Grammatically incorrect, but what do you expect?

Mind you, her hubby, the sane one of the pair, is on Social Security and VA disability. She's been excited about going on Social Security herself, and their medical care is government supported and very good.

When she got louder about Obama, she yelled at me saying, wasn't I was scared about him getting re-elected? To which I said, 'No, I'm not worried about it at all. No one up here is.' That's when the frothing began, how could I not be concerned about how he will end this nation and she pulled out her final verbal weapon...

How Obama is bringing in Sharia Law!!!. Finally rounded up with 'If I have to, I'll take up arms, although I've never fired a gun, and I'll kill anyone who tries to do it.'

At that point I had to bite my tongue and not say if she'd just stay home, no one would notice her and no one was coming to get her to convert. Actually I think she'd look cuter in a burka than that sofa throw cover she walks around in.

Somewhere in the middle of the diatribe, she also went into how she's met people in the Tea Party, that the media is lying about them, they are really nice and never rude or violent like the Occupy people. Who she said are running loose raping people, defecating everywhere, drunk and scumbags, etc. (Shades of Breitbart.)

I thought she was coming back to Sanity a while back after the 47% uproar, but hate radio and FOX has pulled her right back into her alternative reality, and it's really scary. What a weird way to end the evening. Fortunately, her husband got her off the phone...

Sigh. And this story was a trigger for her.

So....

She recently even asked me about socialism. Mind you this woman could not tell the difference between a C. And S. and a D.S. And his has been going on with her for over a dozen years!

I explained the difference between D.S. and S., and I did ot by explaining it as a sort of way of treating everyone equally. That it's more about We're All In This Together than Everyman For Himself.

That it has worked well in Scandinavia and the Anglosphere. She saw that as a positive. Now she's going to vote for HRC, but might even with time vote for BS. She is retired and FNN just lost another sucker.

So unless your family is extremely difficult, explaing what Bernie is about in New Deal terms or democratic socialism works very well. AFAIK>