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JustAnotherGen

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230. There's a small difference

Mon May 4, 2015, 08:51 AM

May 2015

The children of the last of the great migraters? If you look at my preparatory high school class - those of us who are black? I'm the only as far North as I am. With the Great Lakes being so slow to come back to life? Baltimore could have some pick ups (that friend was one in early 2009 - scooped up a great home on the cheap post the implosion) of more affluent/rich blacks moving into it. That will drive the development as it did is some part of Atlanta. I.E. the Morehouse and Spelman grads going back to Atlanta 10/15 years later with their North East and West Coast Salaries - but a much lower cost of living.

When I was looking to leave the Great Lakes in 2004/2005 - Maryland/DC was third on my list of cities. Especially for the collegiate level of education and 'affluence' - there were more opportunities for social life/dating life in that area than say - Boston.

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Baltimore riots: 'They even took the ATM' � Pakistani shop owner may have lost $100,000 to looters [View all] ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2015 OP

"If they targeted this business because it was owned by Pakistanis" KamaAina Apr 2015 #1

Can't speak to this case in Baltimore SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #5

I remember the korean guys shooting back but I don't remember them being targeted. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2015 #10

Many Vietnamese businesses Texasgal May 2015 #97

I remember watching that on CNN. NaturalHigh May 2015 #27

"Widely known"? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #110

Crickets? SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #116

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #118

Burning down anyone's business is horrible SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #120

Back to the ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #124

It's not up to me to educate you SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #126

True ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #134

Yes, it was widely known. Desert805 May 2015 #184

This is not new: XemaSab May 2015 #187

Just FYI... NaturalHigh May 2015 #189

And because a Hip Hop Artist ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #190

Interesting NY Times article from 1992: NaturalHigh May 2015 #191

No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #192

More victim blaming. Nice. NaturalHigh May 2015 #193

I did say that; but, I'll tell you a story ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #195

"One day, I" NaturalHigh May 2015 #196

No, the "One day I" was a mistake ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #197

Wow, that's really awful XemaSab May 2015 #198

That's the thing about the ghetto and poverty ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #200

Would it be better if the store wasn't there at all? XemaSab May 2015 #201

Good question ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #206

Would I shed a tear? Of course not. NaturalHigh May 2015 #199

My post has EVERYTHING to do with why ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #202

Do you have any evidence that the store owner in the OP mistreated anyone? NaturalHigh May 2015 #203

No, I don't ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #209

"are not burned by members of the community" NaturalHigh May 2015 #211

Okay. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #212

I tend to agree it wasn't because of ethnicity. Shops and cars were damaged as a group effort still_one May 2015 #204

I completely agree ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #210

Maybe because gang leaders have said in interviews XemaSab May 2015 #213

And now we believe the words of "gang members" ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #214

Did the leadership of the city meet with gang members to discuss the riots? XemaSab May 2015 #215

I don't know. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #216

As the authority on the topic Desert805 May 2015 #217

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #218

Here's my source: XemaSab May 2015 #236

I don't think 1SBM thinks "people are making it up"; 1SBM is questioning an old facile narrative Recursion May 2015 #222

Ahh! Someone has actually read what I wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #237

Many of the Korean merchants in the LA riots were specifically targeted. Xithras Apr 2015 #9

Thanks for taking the time. Desert805 May 2015 #186

Koreans were not in the wrong place at the wrong time in LA. craigmatic May 2015 #108

The rioting seemed pretty indiscriminate Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #2

Are you watching "American Crime" by chance? ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #3

No. I haven't watched that show. Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #4

Excellent! ananda Apr 2015 #6

It's incredible. Painful to watch at times, but worth it. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #11

It is good! Agschmid May 2015 #25

I'm watching. Excellent show. one_voice Apr 2015 #8

google up ... CountAllVotes Apr 2015 #7

Tell that to the elderly in that community. former9thward May 2015 #53

"The city had begged CVS to put a store in that neighborhood." NaturalHigh May 2015 #71

WTF? CountAllVotes May 2015 #146

I said the elderly were using that CVS. former9thward May 2015 #159

Pack up and simply go away would suit me just fine! CountAllVotes May 2015 #172

Look up the business relationship romanic Apr 2015 #12

So you have no evidence they were targeted because they were Pakistani Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #15

And you didn't try romanic May 2015 #17

Oh get a clue rjsquirrel May 2015 #104

So it's only racism by default against AA? Oktober May 2015 #44

they were targeted because they weren't black, because they were Chinese and Arab geek tragedy May 2015 #47

NONE here expressing sudden "concern"about ATM's or CVS's actually give a shit NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #78

So it's beyond phil89 May 2015 #109

Maybe we care about the people who aren't criminals XemaSab May 2015 #177

In a NY Times article, gang members said they directed looters... NaturalHigh May 2015 #18

I read that in a Salon article as well riderinthestorm May 2015 #21

Unfortunately I don't see this getting a lot of attention or concern here riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #13

Yep n/t SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #14

I noticed that too. NaturalHigh May 2015 #19

Particularly as they are Pakistani, and muslim. Two double whammies closeupready May 2015 #48

Brovo! Accurate comment. Calista241 May 2015 #67

Sounds familiar...... Beacool May 2015 #221

where have you been, young lady? i had some spare time this weekend, and made something for you... dionysus May 2015 #227

A banky!!!!!! Beacool May 2015 #234

Pretty much right. AngryOldDem May 2015 #225

Somebody should do a GoFundMe campaign for them. Seriously. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #16

They should sue the mayor Boudica the Lyoness May 2015 #145

Damn, that's terrible! Duppers May 2015 #20

Definitely a hate crime Harmony Blue May 2015 #22

the looters successfully purged the neighborhood of the plague of small businesses. geek tragedy May 2015 #23

Why don't they have insurance? Agschmid May 2015 #24

Depending on a policy, it can run $55k or more/year riderinthestorm May 2015 #26

$55K per year? NaturalHigh May 2015 #28

Yup. And they may not have even been able to GET insurance riderinthestorm May 2015 #33

The "long term repercussions" are still rooted in police treatment of black folks Blue_Tires May 2015 #77

Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time nt riderinthestorm May 2015 #82

You can mourn for the uninsured property loss; I'll mourn for the tragically needless dead... Blue_Tires May 2015 #84

Some of us do both. I'm sorry if that's too hard to understand riderinthestorm May 2015 #85

And some of us can fucking evaluate which one takes precedent over the other... Blue_Tires May 2015 #87

I'm bi-racial. That said, there's plenty of folks of all color concerned here riderinthestorm May 2015 #89

rider with all due respect JustAnotherGen May 2015 #105

Agreed and yes, I remember that conversation riderinthestorm May 2015 #119

I just see which side of the story you've spent all this energy arguing... Blue_Tires May 2015 #144

The property loss feeds the poverty and segregation Recursion May 2015 #223

I have my thoughts on this ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #238

Also it might not cover riots treestar May 2015 #99

Yep. Force majeure clause. Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #207

That caught my attention too yeoman6987 May 2015 #29

I don't see them OR the CVS reopening. NaturalHigh May 2015 #32

Yep. I agree. The community will be hurt for years due to this. yeoman6987 May 2015 #35

CVS can afford to write off a rebuilt (and possibly reburned) store for PR purposes nt geek tragedy May 2015 #43

Yeah, I guess, but why would they? NaturalHigh May 2015 #51

As I said, as PR expense. Generate some nice warm fuzzy stories about not giving up on geek tragedy May 2015 #55

You're assuming CNN and 60 minutes actually give a shit about this store. Calista241 May 2015 #69

I doubt the publicity is worth a million dollars Travis_0004 May 2015 #81

Bitter laugh. Watts, Detroit, Newark and other riot torn neighborhoods prove otherwise riderinthestorm May 2015 #52

Yup, that's Detroit. roamer65 May 2015 #171

Sadly I don't think they're just trolls NobodyHere May 2015 #68

Because if you own a business in a high crime area insurance is prohibitively expensive./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #37

most of these policies have force majeure clauses - so would not cover these circumstances DrDan May 2015 #38

Well there's one more store the rioters don't have to worry about. NaturalHigh May 2015 #30

Come on, sorry the store was victimized but are we expected to believe . . . brush May 2015 #31

No that's the expected amount of merchandise lost. NaturalHigh May 2015 #34

No but there is the cost of the merchandise dsc May 2015 #40

That ATM probably charged $3.00 per transaction Yavin4 May 2015 #36

so that justifies the looting? DrDan May 2015 #39

They were stealing daily from the community with that ATM Yavin4 May 2015 #60

Didn't ask if you felt sorry for them - i don't either DrDan May 2015 #61

"They were stealing daily from the community with that ATM"... NaturalHigh May 2015 #62

If the ATM fees were double what they are everywhere else, then you could say they were okaawhatever May 2015 #63

They're higher in that community n/t Yavin4 May 2015 #64

No they are not. nt Logical May 2015 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #154

So it was the ATM going out an mugging people? NobodyHere May 2015 #65

Oh FFS, really silly comparison! nt Logical May 2015 #70

Yeah you would think so treestar May 2015 #101

Because there is nothing of value to them? Only paper. n/t oneshooter May 2015 #188

Absolutely pathetic. nt B2G May 2015 #41

Great opportunity for you Lurker Deluxe May 2015 #42

Because that totally justifies destroying a family's sole source of income nt geek tragedy May 2015 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author XemaSab May 2015 #46

That's the most clueless post I've read today. NaturalHigh May 2015 #59

Then dont use it Travis_0004 May 2015 #88

Instead of looting a local business treestar May 2015 #100

200 media filming & watching looters break in and steal from the charles street businesses, & Sunlei May 2015 #49

Why was that? B2G May 2015 #50

stand down and not have any police at all at area small businesses? Sunlei May 2015 #54

Oh they were there. They watched it all happen. B2G May 2015 #57

Because "it's only property". Meanwhile she lives in a gated community. Just sayin'. WillowTree May 2015 #58

From the mayor's own mouth: XemaSab May 2015 #56

That meme gets passed around a lot NobodyHere May 2015 #66

Is it true? If so, that's really all that matters. NaturalHigh May 2015 #72

Remember conservatives harping about Al Gore's "I created the internet" guote? NobodyHere May 2015 #73

So if it's taken out of context XemaSab May 2015 #79

That by giving the protesters the space to protest ... kwassa May 2015 #92

A good friend from high school lives in a "gentrified" part of the city JustAnotherGen May 2015 #106

Maybe, but Columbia Heights in DC took 40 years to get there Recursion May 2015 #224

There's a small difference JustAnotherGen May 2015 #230

I saw Wilkerson give a talk about the re-migration (at Howard, oddly enough) Recursion May 2015 #231

If you find it - post it in the AA Group JustAnotherGen May 2015 #232

"Old Country" was a literal quote Wilkerson got from kids in Chicago Recursion May 2015 #233

I've got a bunch of questions, but I'll start with Blue_Tires May 2015 #74

Small businesses 1939 May 2015 #75

Well, they didn't even have liability, much less property... Blue_Tires May 2015 #76

How does that happen? JustAnotherGen May 2015 #112

Liability insurance almost always has force majeure clauses riderinthestorm May 2015 #128

I'll answer riderinthestorm May 2015 #80

Just a goddamned minute Blue_Tires May 2015 #86

You can ask that question of the NYT then. They first reported it. riderinthestorm May 2015 #91

The OP title implies the shop owners somehow lost their $100,000 in the ATM kwassa May 2015 #93

It's the title of the article if you follow the link riderinthestorm May 2015 #94

Maybe, maybe not. kwassa May 2015 #95

I hope so. The seniors of that community lobbied CVS for that pharmacy riderinthestorm May 2015 #96

"I hope they are successful in persuading CVS to re-build"... NaturalHigh May 2015 #98

Challenge - the insurance thing treestar May 2015 #102

No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #113

Yes, after reading the article treestar May 2015 #114

See my Post #115 n/t. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #117

Yeah, since she didn't have insurance, she definitely deserved this. NaturalHigh May 2015 #103

We need to keep this in perspective Taitertots May 2015 #83

Okay. I haven't read the article at the link; but ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #107

That's what I'm thinking too JustAnotherGen May 2015 #111

Besides ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #115

Did you read the article? NaturalHigh May 2015 #121

Righteous rant? Is that what I wrote? n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #129

100K seems a lot for a store that size treestar May 2015 #133

It adds up faster than you think. NaturalHigh May 2015 #135

$20,000 or more treestar May 2015 #137

More than I thought even. NaturalHigh May 2015 #138

Oh drat - sorry. I thought your post said "$200,000 or more." NaturalHigh May 2015 #169

I wonder if that $100K ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #139

How hard would it be for you just to B2G May 2015 #140

Not hard at all. No. ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #149

It just seems you are doing your best to minimize B2G May 2015 #151

From reading the OP title ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #158

No. You clearly haven't read the article. The $$ loss and the ATM are unrelated riderinthestorm May 2015 #161

What the HELL is "Reverse Bigotry"? 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #165

That is where a black person is ahead of a white person in line at the movie theater NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #174

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #175

The unfortunate headline implies something the article clarifies riderinthestorm May 2015 #123

Silly statements ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #131

#3 sounds right treestar May 2015 #132

one thing in your post made me have to reply.. dionysus May 2015 #228

A riot falls under force majeure. I'm sure they aren't covered in that case riderinthestorm May 2015 #122

I didn't know that. NaturalHigh May 2015 #125

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #127

I'm a small business owner with a force majeure clause in my policy. riderinthestorm May 2015 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #136

So 10 years on DU talking about my small biz are all a front for this moment? riderinthestorm May 2015 #141

How many minks and rolexes are in YOUR storeroom? B2G May 2015 #142

My husband has on hand JustAnotherGen May 2015 #168

Does he want a steel/black/blue GMT, the new one? Ask him, he will know what I mean NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #176

I apologize and have deleted that post .. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #147

Nicely done. nt B2G May 2015 #148

He has insurance: and Afrian American boy got his neck snapped! lewebley3 May 2015 #143

It is ABSURD to compare the MINIMAL property damage done when you realize NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #152

Agree: ATM and CVS are insured, and can be made whole with money! lewebley3 May 2015 #155

This thread is not about them B2G May 2015 #156

They are not wiped out: They have insurance: and the Have their lives!! lewebley3 May 2015 #163

Had insurance and were made whole 1939 May 2015 #167

They do have their lives, the boy with the snapped neck dosent have his life! lewebley3 May 2015 #170

Is Baltimore under the rule of white people? XemaSab May 2015 #173

this entire society is under the rule of white people mwrguy May 2015 #180

Who are the white people in charge in Baltimore? XemaSab May 2015 #181

Well they are only 16% of population! That put them at a disadvantage lewebley3 May 2015 #194

+1000 n/t 951-Riverside May 2015 #153

Freddie Gray was not a "boy". He was a 25 year old man. philosslayer May 2015 #219

No I actually thought he looked about 15, He just looked young! lewebley3 May 2015 #235

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #150

I'd ask ann--- May 2015 #157

i am saying, these criminals finally got up to what middle white crime steal, and get away with. seabeyond May 2015 #160

That totally makes it okay. romanic May 2015 #162

why do you do that? why do some argue in that manner? it isnt factual, it isnt a productive seabeyond May 2015 #164

Really? How much does the white middle class steal? NaturalHigh May 2015 #166

Am I reading your post as you meant it? Quantess May 2015 #229

I wonder how they treated their African American customers mwrguy May 2015 #178

Victim blaming, that's original! XemaSab May 2015 #179

Way to blame the victim. GGJohn May 2015 #182

That is a horrible thing to post. NaturalHigh May 2015 #183

Why wouldn't they take the ATM? PeteSelman May 2015 #185

Many rioters don't realize that RandySF May 2015 #205

Riots aren't a message; that's mostly a white liberal fantasy Recursion May 2015 #226

The ann--- May 2015 #208

Looters, loot. They don't care who owns the businesses they rob and burn. Beacool May 2015 #220