Taking a radical right-wing position on the part of an outgroup is not "liberalism."

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54. No, it's actual quotes from your posts, where you squawk like Joseph Farah

"Happens to like Putin"...yeah, because that's something that happens among actual liberals on this planet. A fella happens to like Metallica, jelly donuts, and journalist-murdering, neighbor-invading tyrants who flood the internet with fake propaganda banter. You say to-may-to, I say 'All hail Glorious Leader Putin and his heroic crusade to cleanse the world of Western perversion.'

First off, anyone who actually likes metallica has already proven they make poor decisions in life, so it might not be unlikely that htey actually like Putin. The point is, you want them silenced. I'm puzzled how this jives with your proclaimed fierce support of freedom of speech. if often seems as if many DU'ers only suddenly become concerned with and hypoeractively supportive of "free speech" when it's specifically hate speech against Muslims,

I mean you know, journalists are being corralled in Baltimore, and beaten by police if they dare leave the bullpen... Whistleblowers face prosecution from corporations and the government with next to no protections. At least a few media outlets are essentially mouthpieces of a seated political party. Are you seriously going to tell me that the greatest threat to freedom of speech is two dudes currently shelved in a morgue? 'Cause that looks like the direction you've decided to go on this one.

I guess that's a thing that happens in your universe - pro-Putinism among liberals

I didn't actually mention liberals, TBD. You know, just like i didn't excuse the shooters, or "blame america first' or any of hte other cockamamie stuff you've imagined thus far.

I mean, they do tend to feverishly demonize the United States at every opportunity and try to change the subject whenever it's inconvenient for that agenda. It sounds a bit familiar now that I think of it.

There must be a lot of krylon in that tube sock. The subject is that I find your thoughtless self-backslapping over what a brave truth-speaker you are to the awful hordes of DU to be fucking sad and stupid. I'm not sure where you're getting this gibberish about "feverishly demonizing the United States," but I think it's a little funny that you're trying to accuse me of changign the subject, while you seem unable to even find one.

What "criticism"? All you did was dismiss the problem, dismiss all of its victims all over the world, and say we should all just shut up and talk about what you want to talk about instead because reality bores you.

Well, for starters, we're talking about Garland, Texas. Like I said, find a fucking subject before you start yelping about someone "trying to change it."

Second, my criticism is that you, like so many others, are going to be vastly more outraged over a foiled attempt by two morons to attack a hate speech rally, than you are with people actually being slaughtered and brutalized. That you are far more interested in pumping yourself as soem great champion of the first amendment, even as you happily ignore actual violations of it. That you are going to be filled with more anger at two crackpot Muslims doing this, than you are with lots of innocent Muslims being blown apart on your dime.

I suppose it's more of a meta criticism than a personal one, because as i've noted, it's kind of 'same shit different day." You know, like how a thread about an ATM being stolen during the riots in Baltimore is still churning around o nthe frint page, but not a single one about Freddie gray? It's kind of how DU works, and it leaves a gross taste in my mouth.

Because the subject has nothing to do with the vast majority of Muslims. Only people like you and others who politically fetishize them as a group think they have something to do with terrorism.

You just got done howling about the evils of Muslim nations, you know. You're standing arm in arm with people who literally advocate indiscriminate killing of Muslims for being Muslim, you realize? You know, that rhetoric that you will defend to the death their right to express? Further, even if you actually draw a distinction, many, many on DU really don't bother. And due to the overwhelming amount of islamophobia on DU, what few msulims pop in rarely stay. Which means there are few 'inside" voices to coutner it.

And those of us who do make the effort get bullshit like what you garbled out:

sheer, unfettered self-hatred of Western civilization. A kind of inward-directed bigotry that uses Western morals against themselves

Which I will bet could be found word-for-word on Gellar's blog.

If you believe this is a trivial matter, all you have to do to prove your sincerity is act like people act toward trivial matters - they move on.

or i could keep expressing my freedom of speech to inform you that i find your wild-eyed, pulpit-pounding nonsense to be fairly loathsome and irritating. Once again, it seems your tolerance of freedom of speech only goes so far as things tou agree with - like hate speech.

Know how I respond when I think people making a big deal about nothing? I say, "You folks are making a big deal about nothing."

Actually it seems like you make obsessively long, rant-filled OP's.

This thread is not specifically about the shooting in Texas (read the damn OP), it's about a general phenomenon of Islamic radicals murdering people for "insulting Islam," and the nutjobs masquerading as liberals who make excuses for it. You don't want to talk about that, but you're not content to let anyone else do so either. So I say again, your participation has been most informative and enlightening, but you are now simply repeating yourself.

I have to repeat myself, because you keep insisting that I have said things I didn't actually say.

I would suggest addressing the nutjobs in question, rather than making a disjointed ranty OP that serves merely as a way to collect backslaps while making your "I'm-not-a-bigot" arguments about "western civilization" and "deranged animals' and whatnot.

But to accomplish that you would have the correctly identify the nutjobs, a task that you seem poorly-suited for. After all, you've spent all this time screaming at me and accusing me of "supportign atrocity" simply becuase i found your existentialist, civilizational doomsday rhetoric to be tiresome, repetitive, and drawn from some fairly awful sources. You could have spent that time actually tackling the problem you see,

Have a delightful day, with your continued support for censorship of opinions you dis agree with, you freedom of speech champion, you.