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Bluenorthwest

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42. So, RandySF, riddle me this. If preachers, Popes, Imams and their followers provoke LGBT people with

Mon May 4, 2015, 09:29 AM

May 2015

constant hate speech, as they do daily in public, in private and in the halls of power, are they intentionally egging on violent responses? They attack us personally, our families, children and friends, not some historic figure, real living people. There are hundreds of anti gay assaults and other bias crimes each year in the US, murder is not uncommon and religion is very often the stated motive of the criminal. This suggests that they are intentionally provoking us with word and with deed.
So. Would it be ok if violence came to those who spend all day every day degrading LGBT people in the name of their cartoon Gods?

My other question is this. If you feel this way, why are you not spending all day every day trying to stop hate speech that streams out of religion, pointedly, regularly and without reservation?

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If one needed proof that the anti-Muhammed exhibition was intentional provocation.... [View all] RandySF May 2015 OP

Any time Geller is involved it's provocative... TreasonousBastard May 2015 #1

Anytime she's involved HATE and BIGOTRY is involved. sabrina 1 May 2015 #53

She is a reverse Stochastic terrorist the person who is responsible for the incitement. Katashi_itto May 2015 #61

I couldn't agree more with this post. Aerows May 2015 #99

It does not matter. You either believe in the constitution and the first amendment or you don't CBGLuthier May 2015 #2

It's not really a constitutional issue Scootaloo May 2015 #5

No, but the government is obligated to protect people from violence. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #66

It is looking to reassign the blame. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #7

Geller got exactly what she wanted leftynyc May 2015 #8

Yep. They could not have played into her hands better. Recursion May 2015 #12

Whose hands? JonLP24 May 2015 #34

Can you imagine if someone decided to ridcule the Holocaust or Jews? Behind the Aegis May 2015 #13

Exactly what I was thinking about leftynyc May 2015 #14

Do we know ANYTHING about them yet? annabanana May 2015 #16

that's what i'm dying to know. barbtries May 2015 #20

Yes. Igel May 2015 #28

We know about one of them leftynyc May 2015 #32

Actually it was predictable, and I imagine Gellar predicted it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #52

No one should worry about getting killed for drawing a cartoon oberliner May 2015 #75

There's a hell of a lot about the world that is 'not as it should be'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #77

That's why we fight for the causes we believe in oberliner May 2015 #79

I'm an atheist. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #84

"she can't even pretend she was unaware of the danger in which she was placing those cartoonists" EX500rider May 2015 #96

Very well said Yorktown May 2015 #19

You got it right. Who and why the event came to be is not relevant. Free speech is. on point May 2015 #30

You can believe in the Constitution and yet decide something is still to offensive to do treestar May 2015 #39

If you can't say/draw something without fear of being physically attacked, you aren't free to say it NutmegYankee May 2015 #48

And who said there is treestar May 2015 #69

The difference is victim blaming. NutmegYankee May 2015 #71

And people are doing no more than treestar May 2015 #72

No, it's not nearly as black and white as that. All of the Bill of Rights amendments have limits and stevenleser May 2015 #58

There is nothing about this conversation worth having. CBGLuthier May 2015 #59

And of course you mischaracterize my argument. Of course, because you cant attack the real one. stevenleser May 2015 #60

She is an asshole, cwydro May 2015 #3

Yep. hifiguy May 2015 #74

It really is that simple. arcane1 May 2015 #78

Sad though, huh? cwydro May 2015 #81

Baited trap. Downwinder May 2015 #4

SOMEthing stinks pretty bad here..n/t annabanana May 2015 #18

If the Fan belt inspectors had picked them up, Downwinder May 2015 #22

No it doesn't leftynyc May 2015 #33

What a complete fool. cwydro May 2015 #40

Do you consider "hands up don't shoot" to be intentional provocation? (nt) Recursion May 2015 #6

Oh please. nt cwydro May 2015 #9

Oh please what? It's definitely goading cops. Recursion May 2015 #11

How is that related to this topic? ann--- May 2015 #86

By being a deliberate provocation (nt) Recursion May 2015 #88

It would only be ann--- May 2015 #90

It was deliberate provocation by right-wing extremists mwrguy May 2015 #10

I'm glad the gunmen are dead leftynyc May 2015 #15

Have you found any info about them? annabanana May 2015 #21

One has a federal conviction of lying to FBI. former9thward May 2015 #56

Try changing this situation around to another view SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #24

In your scenario, the doctor is risking his own life. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #54

I disagree. Gellar has painted a target on herself. Throd May 2015 #62

That is so ironic from a guy with a Malcolm X avatar theboss May 2015 #95

This OP is amazing: blame the guys who got shot at Yorktown May 2015 #17

I blame the shooters and Geller who was looking for trouble. RandySF May 2015 #43

Then, you are plainly irresponsible. Yorktown May 2015 #51

Does anyone ever accidentally draw these cartoons? The2ndWheel May 2015 #23

You know what sane people do when they see cartoons they don't like? melman May 2015 #25

Doesn't change anything The2ndWheel May 2015 #38

I agree, and we specifically know that in this point in history treestar May 2015 #41

False Flag!!! False Flag!!! Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #26

So what? Provoke em.... Oktober May 2015 #27

Exactly... EX500rider May 2015 #98

It's weird that everyone seems to know they came to shoot up the exhibition ck4829 May 2015 #29

This thread is illuminating from several of the responses, I think so too, considering the reality: Jefferson23 May 2015 #31

United States of America v. Elton Simpson Jefferson23 May 2015 #35

Geller is a hate monger Gothmog May 2015 #36

And should be praised as such. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #37

You don't know much about Pam Geller, do you? RandySF May 2015 #46

None of that changes the truth of the post you responded to... beevul May 2015 #82

Wow ann--- May 2015 #89

So, RandySF, riddle me this. If preachers, Popes, Imams and their followers provoke LGBT people with Bluenorthwest May 2015 #42

That is a dumb question. RandySF May 2015 #44

I'm sure most of us know who Pam Geller is,along with sufrommich May 2015 #47

No, it's not. It's a question you are afraid of. So skip the last one and address the rest. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #70

Not really the point treestar May 2015 #73

Only morons kill people because of cartoons. Shoulders of Giants May 2015 #45

Thanks for trying, RandySF, but I'm afraid discussion here is pointless closeupready May 2015 #49

you K&R someone for equating vitriolic rhetoric and assault rifles??? Yorktown May 2015 #55

Bullshit FLPanhandle May 2015 #50

I think Bill Maher ought to have Geller on his show this week. Seriously. Paladin May 2015 #57

provactive is not a reason to attack - and if the attack happened as it did - samsingh May 2015 #63

it seems to me anyone who believes in free speech is being taunted by the jihadees. samsingh May 2015 #64

What's wrong with provocation? nt Codeine May 2015 #65

Exactly FLPanhandle May 2015 #68

If Muslims had a "Jesus Cartoon Contest" redstatebluegirl May 2015 #67

Have you ever watched South Park? oberliner May 2015 #76

The Family Guy Jesus is much more fun.... MADem May 2015 #83

Yeah that is probably a better example oberliner May 2015 #91

Don't think so-he tends to take his humor from his personal experience. MADem May 2015 #92

I have don't watch either program. redstatebluegirl May 2015 #93

Jesus is a semi-regular character on FG. nt MADem May 2015 #94

That's exactly my thought too ann--- May 2015 #87

No, they wouldn't theboss May 2015 #97

Not likely... EX500rider May 2015 #101

Yeah... cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #103

It doesn't matter what her goals are get the red out May 2015 #80

I'm wondering what ann--- May 2015 #85

OF COURSE it was "intentional provocation". So what? Quantess May 2015 #100

This whole argument is right up there with: "her skirt was too short:intentional provocation" EX500rider May 2015 #102