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Agnosticsherbet

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52. Major programs and polices will move the party left or right. The ACA was a leftward shift

Mon May 4, 2015, 10:21 AM

May 2015

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That is why it is a source of conflict.

The next Democratic President can move the Party (and nation) left if that President can enact major changes in fiscal and national policy.

Those changes in policy will only happen if we control the legislative agenda in Congress.

The ACA happened only because Obama was backed by Democrats in control of the House and Senate.

So I disagree with your premise because a "Progressive" in the White House will be limited to executive orders if he or she does not have the backing of Congress to pass law. If Republicans maintain control of the Senate, I suspect that attempting to place a Treasury Secretary much different than the one we have now will never be approved.

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Do any of you disagree that STRONG support for a Progressive would move our party left? [View all] Bonobo May 2015 OP

Works for me. blm May 2015 #1

So far we have two candidates who are saying the same basic thing. Thinkingabout May 2015 #2

That really doesn't seem to address the issue. Bonobo May 2015 #4

His vote on the ISIS Resolution deeply troubles me, I do not have any confidence Thinkingabout May 2015 #7

If you really want to go fight in Syria, the FSA is always recruiting Scootaloo May 2015 #12

"Do I want the candidates pulled further left, no that is not where we need to go." Bonobo May 2015 #13

You mean the vote on whether to send advanced arms to "Syrian Rebels"? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #33

Campaign rhetoric is one thing. Living your life a certain way is another. merrily May 2015 #8

Don't you disagree with ALL of Sen. Sanders' positions? morningfog May 2015 #14

Whoosh! TM99 May 2015 #15

They are not saying the same thing. cui bono May 2015 #18

Wow. Sen Sanders has addressed all kinds of different issues. Go to his website and rhett o rick May 2015 #24

You don't like Bernie, but love Hillary and stillwaiting May 2015 #46

Likewise you dont like Hillary and you love Bernie. Thinkingabout May 2015 #47

I'm not the one saying that they are basically for the same things. stillwaiting May 2015 #48

Have you been listening to Hillary and Bernie? Thinkingabout May 2015 #49

You are falsely trying to paint Hillary as the same as Bernie. stillwaiting May 2015 #50

I don't want Hillary to be the same as Bernie, I gave you the issues they are both talking about. Thinkingabout May 2015 #51

I just thanked you. No idea why you think I'm badgering you. Wasn't my intent. stillwaiting May 2015 #53

Three times asking the same question might be badgering. Thinkingabout May 2015 #54

You never answered my questions. stillwaiting May 2015 #56

It may be that Americans are suckers for perceived "winners" 99th_Monkey May 2015 #3

How to explain Red Sox fans between sale of Babe Ruth and 2004? merrily May 2015 #17

I'm going with Bernie.. eloydude May 2015 #5

I agree that we have moved beyond the time when we can "triangulate". Bonobo May 2015 #9

Do you assume that all DU posters want the Party moved left? If so, I disagree. merrily May 2015 #6

That COULD be an error on my part, I guess. Bonobo May 2015 #11

There have always been center-left Dems here who believe in their positions. blm May 2015 #23

I think it would be safe for you to delete all the cautionary words in there. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #26

Agree. There are centrists who don't know they aren't left, or at least claim that. cui bono May 2015 #19

I might not make Bernie the litmus test, but I stand by my post for a panoply of other reasons. nt merrily May 2015 #20

"You can't be a liberal or progressive and not get behind Bernie." pnwmom May 2015 #38

: onecaliberal May 2015 #10

Even tho we lost the 2014 elections fadedrose May 2015 #16

Very true, fadedrose. Pot certainly won as well. There may have been more in a few states as wel. merrily May 2015 #21

I don't think you are understanding what really happened to the two parties. TM99 May 2015 #22

Well said. I will repeat it. rhett o rick May 2015 #25

She must be MADE to abandon it with a forceful opposition from traditional base. Bonobo May 2015 #27

I don't want HRC to "abandon" anything. Her ideology won't change. rhett o rick May 2015 #29

I don't share your hope that this can happen. TM99 May 2015 #32

Not "a" progressive. joshcryer May 2015 #28

You mean I should think in the plural, I take it? Bonobo May 2015 #30

A top candidate would help. joshcryer May 2015 #31

No. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #34

Yes and that is why I support Hillary Clinton, who has a decades-long NYC Liberal May 2015 #35

She ran to the right of Obama. Bonobo May 2015 #36

Being progressive on social issues alone TM99 May 2015 #37

Progressive? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #39

Well, you are probably right. TM99 May 2015 #42

I'm on board Aerows May 2015 #40

dems and the left will continue to kiss rw ass certainot May 2015 #41

Not if people continue to focus on the presidency alone BainsBane May 2015 #43

Thank you for your response. Bonobo May 2015 #45

The only Republican President of the last 20 years had to expand Medicare and Education spending Recursion May 2015 #44

Major programs and polices will move the party left or right. The ACA was a leftward shift Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #52

Only if we win the White House. geek tragedy May 2015 #55