General Discussion

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)

5. Yeah but...but free speech!

Reply to cali (Original post)

Mon May 4, 2015, 04:15 PM

May 2015

Thanks for this.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

135 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

You should give a damn what she believes: Pamela Geller is flat out dangerous. [View all] cali May 2015 OP

The shooters were more dangerous. phil89 May 2015 #1

She has free speech to push her speech nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #4

As a demagogue though she can be dangerous too treestar May 2015 #9

Does anybdy know yet if the peope inside the Garland public school center were armed? Texas DhhD May 2015 #133

Nope. It's rarely the people actually with the guns who are the most dangerous jeff47 May 2015 #10

George Bush and more than a million dead Iraqis. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #126

She brought those shooters there. They would not have been there had it not been for this sabrina 1 May 2015 #38

They would not have been there skepticscott May 2015 #134

deeply insightful frylock May 2015 #65

It's not a competition. Ms. Toad May 2015 #73

She is a poster child for why America needs European style hate speech laws. ncjustice80 May 2015 #121

OUr worship of free speech CAN go too far duhneece May 2015 #124

Not quite. Her speech is more like Westboro Baptist than yelling "Fire" d_legendary1 May 2015 #135

She wants war and doesn't give a shit about the first amendment. cbayer May 2015 #2

Was the hippie punching necesary to make your point? nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #7

Hippie punching? What hippie punching? cbayer May 2015 #12

Here your post nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #16

Making an observation that someone is getting support from the far left is not hippie punching. cbayer May 2015 #17

Those who tend to be absolutists on free speech nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #21

Well, that code for hippie is not familiar to me. cbayer May 2015 #27

Well, now you know that far left is what it is nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author ncjustice80 May 2015 #122

cbayer was not hippie punching. That is an unfair accusation and comes across as a veiled attack. KittyWampus May 2015 #71

Far left is a well known piece of code nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #76

the "far left" is as accurate a term as "far right". It refers to extremists. Or do you want to try KittyWampus May 2015 #83

Reject what you want nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #84

actually, nadin, I voted NOT to hide your veiled attack. KittyWampus May 2015 #85

What attack nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer May 2015 #91

I don't see much difference between her and many religious figures and politicians who attack Bluenorthwest May 2015 #25

I agree. She is no different than any other hate group listed by the SPLC. cbayer May 2015 #29

Where do you get that she is getting support from the "Far left"? Scootaloo May 2015 #40

Some of the "First amendment" support for her right here on DU. cbayer May 2015 #45

DU is not "far left" Scootaloo May 2015 #49

I didn't say DU was far left, but I would say that some that consider themselves far left cbayer May 2015 #53

Are you aware of the concept of "posing"? Scootaloo May 2015 #70

Well, of course I am aware. Point taken. cbayer May 2015 #75

Conflating support for the first amendment... nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #52

You have completely misstated and /or misunderstood my entire position, but cbayer May 2015 #62

Have a nice evening nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #64

You're absolutely right, she conflates supporting 1st amendment with "cheering" beam me up scottie May 2015 #92

apparently pointing out some of this nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #96

Nah, you're on fire here. beam me up scottie May 2015 #97

I know, I know, but I really need to get back to the infrastructure reading nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #99

Go, do some good. beam me up scottie May 2015 #102

In many cases, she's correct Scootaloo May 2015 #106

cbayer conflated "championing her 1st amendment rights" with "cheering". beam me up scottie May 2015 #109

There's some problems there. Scootaloo May 2015 #110

I will agree with you on this nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #119

But if one brings up actual violations of free speech, "you're excusing the terrorists" Scootaloo May 2015 #123

In this case nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #132

That was a thinly veiled 'you win, I got nothing'. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #103

Ah nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #105

I would like to see someone on the "far left" supporting Geller.. mountain grammy May 2015 #55

There are those giving her cover by seeing this just as a 1st amendment issue, cbayer May 2015 #57

I've beeb checking out some liberal sites and not seeing that.. mountain grammy May 2015 #66

NOBODY is doing that. beam me up scottie May 2015 #95

Actually plenty of people here do agree with what she says Scootaloo May 2015 #107

Recommended. H2O Man May 2015 #3

Yup nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #6

you're most welcome. I've found it a bit dispiriting to read some of those posts. cali May 2015 #19

Yeah but...but free speech! HappyMe May 2015 #5

I recall people posting that Palin was dangerous treestar May 2015 #8

I put her in the same league as David Duke and Rush but less subtle in her bigotry. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #11

You nailed it again. Enthusiast May 2015 #77

Agreed. Usually the far-right is so full of noise about hate and violence that we get used to it. pampango May 2015 #13

We have two groups of posters that are talking past one another. Maedhros May 2015 #14

I think the problem is... MellowDem May 2015 #24

Well said The Green Manalishi May 2015 #35

Good post, MellowDem. Arugula Latte May 2015 #69

Except it's not criticism of religion. Scootaloo May 2015 #81

For many on the right, I agree... MellowDem May 2015 #87

No, it's not just the right Scootaloo May 2015 #89

I didn't say Geller was merely a critic... MellowDem May 2015 #118

I absolutely agree get the red out May 2015 #86

Except jihadists actually do gun down cartoonists for insulting Islam oberliner May 2015 #100

She is a hateful dangerous asshole, akin to Westboro assholes. PeaceNikki May 2015 #15

she's far, far more dangerous. she has a real following. cali May 2015 #22

But many who preach a more polished version of the same poison are in fact honored and lauded Bluenorthwest May 2015 #31

I heard her website links G_j May 2015 #18

The difference is that she has not been charged with a crime. However what the shooters did was totodeinhere May 2015 #20

She is an accessary to that crime. SHE brought them there and she did it knowingly sabrina 1 May 2015 #47

Legally proving incitement will be next to impossible nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #59

To be charged as an accessory to a crime requires a very strict legal standard. I have totodeinhere May 2015 #78

Agreed. K&R closeupready May 2015 #23

Geller is a FAR bigger threat to 'the American way of life' than any jihadist will ever be! n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #26

k&r... spanone May 2015 #30

She's dangerous. More so, because she's chosen a group with members who will react violently to her theboss May 2015 #32

Free speech is always dangerous. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #33

Simple and correct analysis. Thanks. erronis May 2015 #41

And false claims to free speech? jeff47 May 2015 #116

She disgusts me. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #117

what does that have to do with my op? Nothing. cali May 2015 #130

White Nationalists...that is a title I've been needing. SoapBox May 2015 #34

Gee...a known hate group, led by an anti-Islamist purposly try and provoke violence Rex May 2015 #36

Are the Muslims unable to control themselves? theboss May 2015 #37

No one is infantilizing Muslims Scootaloo May 2015 #68

Actually theboss did just that! Funny how he/she thought ALL of Islam when I mentioned Rex May 2015 #113

Yeah, "The Muslims" is a pretty obvious tell, isn't it? Scootaloo May 2015 #114

It is! Good eye there! Rex May 2015 #115

no, but individuals are sometimes unable to control themselves frylock May 2015 #74

Funny how you associated 'hate group' with ALL of Islam...just a slip of the tongue right? Rex May 2015 #112

If I read the OP last week, I would have dismissed it without a second thought. Jack Rabbit May 2015 #39

I was under the assumption that she is right wing Jewish olddots May 2015 #42

She's Livia Soprano. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #43

she's going to dig her own hole bigtree May 2015 #44

I have seen quite a number of DU posters make comments about Christianity similar to what she makes pnwmom May 2015 #46

Really, you've seen DU'ers call for mass murder of Christians, and it's allowed to stay? Scootaloo May 2015 #51

I wasn't aware she had called for mass murder. nt pnwmom May 2015 #93

Not only calls for it, but defends it when it happens. Scootaloo May 2015 #101

I see Christians regularly say gay people are criminals. Rick Warren, days before the inaugural Bluenorthwest May 2015 #54

I don't disagree with you about that. I'm just saying that Keller's speech against pnwmom May 2015 #98

We are allowed to criticize rightwing institutions on DU, no? Arugula Latte May 2015 #72

Of course. I'm just saying that her free speech against Muslims has been similar pnwmom May 2015 #94

utter bullshit cali May 2015 #120

You are either with the Southern Poverty Law Center assessment of Gellar and company, or you Fred Sanders May 2015 #48

What she is doing is making people freak out. Lobo27 May 2015 #50

Like Orly Taitz on steroids. nt silvershadow May 2015 #56

She's the " FIRE!!! " in a crowded theater clause . n/t orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #58

Pamela Geller is a loon! Enthusiast May 2015 #60

She also has very lucrative ties to organized crime... Tom Ripley May 2015 #61

Interesting underpants May 2015 #90

It would not surprise me in the least mountain grammy May 2015 #63

If an investigation reveals that nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #67

I wouldn't put it past her, because what good is her little stunt mountain grammy May 2015 #79

It is not me who has to think about it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #82

Exactly!!! Not a single one of us has excused violent retaliation. blm May 2015 #80

In general, yes, she is hateful. So she insults Muslims. So? Are they somehow to be immune? WinkyDink May 2015 #104

Even more worrisome to me locks May 2015 #108

Geller is a sicko and sad hate monger Gothmog May 2015 #111

Congrats! You have Donald Trump in your corner... brooklynite May 2015 #125

In case you haven't noticed, I also have the SPLC in my corner cali May 2015 #127

These assholes don't scare me. davidthegnome May 2015 #128

Thank you davidthegnome locks May 2015 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #131