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In reply to the discussion: A 13-Year-Old's Slavery Analogy Raises Some Uncomfortable Truths in School [View all]TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)318. YOU chose. How many are where they are because it's the only place...
...that will have them? Hobson's choice is by definition not any choice at all.
I'm not at war with teachers, although there are specific individuals, both in my past, and in the media who I'd cheerfully smack upside the head with a 2x4 given the opportunity. The ones who refer to the female half of a couple of cuddling kids as "merchandise"; who call the cops on a six year old throwing a wobbly; who suspend or expell over a set of nail clippers or GI Joe gun; who perform strip searches on the sayso of another student looking to cop a plea; and peer into bedrooms through a school issue webcam.
AND hound a kid out of school because she dared to ask for a proper education, rather than settle for the absolute minimum needed to pass a worthless standardised test.
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A 13-Year-Old's Slavery Analogy Raises Some Uncomfortable Truths in School [View all]
SoCalDem
May 2012
OP
Not to mention that schools in majority black, low-income areas are just as likely to have black
HiPointDem
May 2012
#61
+1. The % of minority teachers in NYC has declined precipitously and steadily since Bloomberg.
Smarmie Doofus
May 2012
#117
Not willfully so. But a significant proportion of them are so RESENTFUL of being...
TheMadMonk
May 2012
#75
thanks for the info. the picture he painted did seem a little cardboardy...
HiPointDem
May 2012
#236
A significant proportion of white teachers are resentful of their black classes
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#162
How do you know this?....Is this the way it is in your country with Aboriginals?
whathehell
May 2012
#189
Kettled? there's no kettling. economics is all it takes to segregate people by income.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#56
kettling means to keep people within a certain area, as in kettling people during protests.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#81
No I don't think you said that. In fact I pretty much agree with you 100%.
A Simple Game
May 2012
#358
No, the adults who are striking back at her for writing her essay don't deserve
pnwmom
May 2012
#227
yeah, and when glenn beck had her on his show he said they even sent in the teachers' union
HiPointDem
May 2012
#323
I've looked all over the internet for some follow-up to this story. I can't find any. It begins
HiPointDem
May 2012
#328
See, I didn't see that *she* got any apology. All I saw was an administrator saying something
HiPointDem
May 2012
#332
"an apology for what she is going through." that's the equivalent of "I'm sorry you were offended"
HiPointDem
May 2012
#334
I agree. Sounds more like trying to blame someone else for not doing your homework. nt
Honeycombe8
May 2012
#32
From an economic standpoint its pretty close imo to what happens and thats regardless of the race of
cstanleytech
May 2012
#71
and where you have poverty you're going to have higher levels of problems, for various reasons.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#120
Even if it is, the kid is 13 years old, and at least she's thinking and writing.
Crunchy Frog
May 2012
#73
You and I probably agree about this story & for me, the last paragraph makes an
patrice
May 2012
#305
Society is being dragged back in that direction because of legions of uneducated people.
Zalatix
May 2012
#35
Every working person in america is forced to sell himself. Not unique to any race, creed or color.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#129
Sorry but that's NOT what she's saying. She's talking about the specific situation
pnwmom
May 2012
#95
that's not all she's saying. She's saying white teachers are deliberately refusing to actually
HiPointDem
May 2012
#132
This is not a debate over the merits of her essay but by the response of school administrators.
Harcourdt Fenton Mud
May 2012
#148
Correct...I went to an all white school that never had less than 60 plus kids in the class.
whathehell
May 2012
#188
This young woman was harassed, intimidated and bullied by teaching PROFESSIONALS after this...
Earth_First
May 2012
#8
Yup. Even now there are people on the other bullying thread denying this may happen.
riderinthestorm
May 2012
#69
Those White teachers who taught her how to read and write are being just like slave owners
Taitertots
May 2012
#9
douglass was taught to read by the white wife of his master. and then by white children. and
HiPointDem
May 2012
#137
Because the Rochester City School District is run by corporate talent and racism that runs deep...
Earth_First
May 2012
#13
The problem of these schools is not new, and I am sorry to see not much more progress has been made
freshwest
May 2012
#49
everyone criticizing her analogy acts like they have to be the same to be in an analogy
CreekDog
May 2012
#155
Wrong. That 8th grader should teach you what an analogy means, because you don't know.
CreekDog
May 2012
#91
it was? do you have a link for that? i've been looking and haven't been able to find any detail
HiPointDem
May 2012
#259
I already *have,* as i said. I asked for a link to the claim earth first made, because i haven't
HiPointDem
May 2012
#312
I agree with Jada, but must say that I think that this situation might apply to all students due
teddy51
May 2012
#12
what a crock of bullshit. i know some city district schoolteachers. it's their fault they have kids
dionysus
May 2012
#14
i don't blame the kids. i live in the city in question. we're basically talking about children from
dionysus
May 2012
#89
we have had crappy superintendants, and suburbians are pissed about their property taxes
dionysus
May 2012
#102
the race component is only valid if the white kids (if any) are doing well. otherwise
msongs
May 2012
#16
Yes, a white person should decide when a black person can consider something racism :sarcasm:
CreekDog
May 2012
#97
Depending upon the particular circumstances, the converse of that statement is possibly relevant too
patrice
May 2012
#205
Agreed. And though there may, ONLY may, be similarities in the respective failures of more or less
patrice
May 2012
#192
Rochester, New York has lost it's corporate sponsor and no longer has a reason to
CK_John
May 2012
#18
again, where does an analogy have to be among things that are completely the same?
CreekDog
May 2012
#157
Your definition of false analogy would apply to saying that Jews in camps were treated like slaves
CreekDog
May 2012
#197
Not just those who "aren't motivated to learn", but also about what they ARE motivated to do,
patrice
May 2012
#150
And the master's narrative is showing up on this thread too. From posters that...ummm...
HiPointDem
May 2012
#82
And 76 recs so far. It's the *teachers'* fault that the classrooms are overcrowded...
Smarmie Doofus
May 2012
#121
a number of charter school supporters on this thread. privatization is now a progressive policy,
HiPointDem
May 2012
#123
They just enjoy keeping black kids down because all white people are racists. They probably get
HiPointDem
May 2012
#83
Just fyi, and for what it's worth, the 'Frederick Douglass Foundation of New York' is a Republican
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#30
The actual website linked claims they are 'left and right' and suggest one could call them a new
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#39
there sure is a lot of that these days. all the types who stood 4-square against the civil rights
HiPointDem
May 2012
#85
The fact is you posted the story as told by the right wing. Did you post her essay in the OP?
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#194
That is factually untrue, I did not post the story as told by the right wing. I posted the essay...
joshcryer
May 2012
#316
it's certainly instructive (and amusing/infuriating) seeing them contort to co-opt her work
fishwax
May 2012
#223
I read their bullshit tenure / pension bashing which isn't the reason for this. It's class size.
joshcryer
May 2012
#317
Which leads to another question... Did this girl "really" write that paper?
MattBaggins
May 2012
#116
Hate to tell you, but 99% of working people are cog-makers for the machine as well. One way
HiPointDem
May 2012
#131
except that her explanation is the racism of white teachers as a whole, and her allies are groups
HiPointDem
May 2012
#272
If she wrote an essay that claimed public schools are no different from the holocaust . . .
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#53
If those are direct quotations from her essay, she seems to be learning very well,
JDPriestly
May 2012
#48
This OP could have been Jada speaking her own writing. Instead, it is a link to Republicans talking
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#195
Thanks for posting it, I already read it when the OP posted a sermon about it. Go to the source I sa
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#256
I'm not defending the OP. I did not post FDF's crap. I posted the essay in #98. I'm defending Jada.
joshcryer
May 2012
#319
Would you like her to teach the principles of The Frederick Douglass Foundation of New York?
harmonicon
May 2012
#66
I ask, why is her good message in need of a frame from some Republicans?
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#260
No I wouldn't, but I'm judging what she wrote, which is what I thought the OP was about
CreekDog
May 2012
#245
Of course I don't condone or agree with those statements --this is a 13 year old
CreekDog
May 2012
#268
She was obviously brought up in a home where she was taught to think for herself
pnwmom
May 2012
#104
I agree. This is amazingly thoughtful for a 13 year old, whether or not a reader would
pnwmom
May 2012
#100
For a valid analogy, modern efforts to "prevent real learning from happening" would have to be
AnotherMcIntosh
May 2012
#110
probably. that doesn't mean her school is bad because it's populated by racist teachers, and
HiPointDem
May 2012
#124
This administration has continued and intensified the policies of "no child left behind". Why
HiPointDem
May 2012
#128
Bipartisan or even Democratic does not mean an initiative is conservative
TheKentuckian
May 2012
#208
winger fingerprints all over this story. the folks who are always telling us cases like trayvon
HiPointDem
May 2012
#250
Blaming the teachers is merely pointing out the symptoms and not understanding the disease...
Javaman
May 2012
#151
As an experiment, set up a charter school with black students and black, mostly male, teachers
FarCenter
May 2012
#152
There is a significant difference in age of puberty between blacks and whites
FarCenter
May 2012
#174
Any difference in age of puberty between black & white has to do with weight & body fat %,
HiPointDem
May 2012
#252
Since black people are victims of racism, they cannot themselves be racists.
FarCenter
May 2012
#201
If I say "I'm going to go find a black person and beat her up because she's black"
XemaSab
May 2012
#212
If you're white or Asian, you're racist; if black, no; if Latino, need more data.
FarCenter
May 2012
#215
It's essential for their survival in an institutionally racist white society
FarCenter
May 2012
#237
Beyond trust, there is the "disconnect" caused by "different cultural and historical backgrounds".
FarCenter
May 2012
#241
This focus on the "parents teaching their kids to be racist" thing for now
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#242
Choice just changes the probabilities of a bad interaction, not the possibility
FarCenter
May 2012
#266
Ah so it's ok to judge an entire race if you have the stats on your side
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#273
agreed. the involvement of parents united & the folks who gave her the prize, plus the fact
HiPointDem
May 2012
#267
Ahh... yes, the family has the backing of right-wing groups which want to destroy public education.
harmonicon
May 2012
#257
Statistics on parent satisfaction and on parent-teacher relationships would be most relevant
FarCenter
May 2012
#218
You could do it in a northern city where the mayor, council, and school board are mostly black
FarCenter
May 2012
#283
Does Atlanta have predominantly white teachers? Does it have the problem that Rochester has?
FarCenter
May 2012
#298
It's hard to find statistics on school staff racial breakdowns. No affirmative action for teachers?
FarCenter
May 2012
#304
Why are you so hung up on the idea that students can't learn from teachers of different races?
XemaSab
May 2012
#306
If it's the other guy/gal, it's ALWAYS the other guy/gal. That goes for both "sides" of any question
patrice
May 2012
#154
Agreed! in all but "... privilege is freedom." Any position that CANNOT survive without oppression
patrice
May 2012
#168
BTW, Freire is also the more widely recognized source of: "Teachers as Learners and Learners as
patrice
May 2012
#190
I understand her issue with the lack of funding and the continuing packets (busy work).
Jennicut
May 2012
#173
Not just low information voters, but also, voters with information engineered to specs
patrice
May 2012
#258
K/R and BTW, Race or Class, doesn't matter, it's about power in the hands of a few.
NYC_SKP
May 2012
#261
yes, it's certainly about the ability of power to create narratives that further its power.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#264
"The Frederick Douglass Foundation...brings the sanctity of free market and limited government ideas
HiPointDem
May 2012
#320
Pointing out the nature of the Frederick Douglass Foundation diminishes Jada? No, I don't think
HiPointDem
May 2012
#326
I'm not really interested in what some kid in Rochester writes in an essay. I don't think kids'
HiPointDem
May 2012
#331
I think people who resort to personal attacks in political discussions diminish themselves.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#341
"I'm not really interested in what some kid in Rochester writes in an essay." That's diminishment.
joshcryer
May 2012
#342
You certainly are. And words do have meanings. Easier to understand when you keep them
HiPointDem
May 2012
#343
And here's what Broad brought to Rochester: it's all about firing teachers.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#347
They're quite open about their agenda in the 4th update to the original story.
joshcryer
May 2012
#350
Rochester targeted by "Parent Revolution:" The "Parents United" Group is part of this push.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#353
Rochester City School District stats: Students = 75% poor, 65% black, 22% hispanic, 11% white,
HiPointDem
May 2012
#354