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darkangel218

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124. I disagree.

Mon May 4, 2015, 05:43 PM

May 2015

I like metal music.
Sometimes , there are inverted crosses on stage. And anti religious lyrics.
Should the bands get shot at? Of course not.

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I have the First Amendment right to draw Muhammad, Jesus, Buddha, and Doctor Strange [View all] derby378 May 2015 OP

Just cuz you can tazkcmo May 2015 #1

How long must we be afraid of "consequences?" derby378 May 2015 #4

Then we're on the same page. tazkcmo May 2015 #66

Geller is a reverse Stochastic terrorist, the person who is responsible for the incitement. Katashi_itto May 2015 #131

Like Limbaugh, Fox et.al. riqster May 2015 #156

Assuming everything you said about Geller is true (and I'm inclined to agree)... derby378 May 2015 #162

"It's like going to a popular beach pouring chum in the water and walking away." trotsky May 2015 #180

Every group has it's sharks. Look at Westboro. Katashi_itto May 2015 #193

Just because you do doesn't open you up to injury and death PeaceNikki May 2015 #7

Not appropriate or legal. tazkcmo May 2015 #71

Sure. Like being gay in public or walking into an abortion clinic. PeaceNikki May 2015 #72

+1 progressoid May 2015 #114

Tell that to every religious loudmouth that berates LGBT people all day every day. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #8

It's like the Westboro Baptist cultists learned the hard way... derby378 May 2015 #17

We create, they destroy. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #34

+1 Mosby May 2015 #50

I do. tazkcmo May 2015 #74

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch pintobean May 2015 #12

If religious people attempt to make consequences, then we should not submit FLPanhandle May 2015 #20

Standing up for voting rights used to mean a lynching. Codeine May 2015 #21

Many of these "objections" from people are starting to sound like the Indiana law. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #41

Precisely. Codeine May 2015 #44

Spot on. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #137

Yes, very predictable. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #140

Just cuz you can SlipperySlope May 2015 #38

Well, you CAN as a North Korean make fun of Dear Leader NutmegYankee May 2015 #54

And some "consequences" carry penalties. WinkyDink May 2015 #55

Sometimes - especially in the case of religion - one can and one should. GoneOffShore May 2015 #94

Those consequences should be in kind, though Scootaloo May 2015 #110

What about drawing respectful pictures of Mohammed? oberliner May 2015 #130

It's cool derby378 May 2015 #166

You will certainly get no argument from me. lapislzi May 2015 #2

You also have the first amendment right to burn a cross Capt. Obvious May 2015 #3

True, but what good would that do anybody? derby378 May 2015 #10

The same good that drawing a muhammed cartoon would Capt. Obvious May 2015 #15

Your point? I can burn the flag, too. On my own property. WinkyDink May 2015 #58

As far as Doctor Strange, nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #5

Point taken derby378 May 2015 #19

Frankly I'm surprised that Disney has not SwankyXomb May 2015 #128

Actually Marvel Characters you see a lot nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #129

Disney's owned Marvel for a while now SwankyXomb May 2015 #132

They might nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #133

Of course you can. earthside May 2015 #6

"good old fashioned religious warfare." Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #14

Oh, Geller is for killing Muslims. earthside May 2015 #27

++++++++ uppityperson May 2015 #16

I hate to see my hometown become ground zero derby378 May 2015 #23

And here is a far more nuanced legal argument nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #9

The First Amendment prevents the government from stopping you but ... Kablooie May 2015 #11

Death and violence are not legal expressions of free speech. PeaceNikki May 2015 #13

That's just what I said. Kablooie May 2015 #18

Re: "you have to accept dealing with the fallout. " (I disagree) 951-Riverside May 2015 #24

What about things like civil rights movement in the 60's? metalbot May 2015 #33

Sorry, that's not how the U.S. Constitution works. WinkyDink May 2015 #60

Bullshit. Codeine May 2015 #95

How delightfully fascist Telcontar May 2015 #146

Like we said, you aren't fooling anyone. Starry Messenger May 2015 #161

Funny how your parenthetical IS THE POINT IN QUESTION. WinkyDink May 2015 #59

Dormammu's followers say otherwise!! nt Codeine May 2015 #22

Would it help if I offered to coif his hair? derby378 May 2015 #28

Free speech is indeed free. Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #25

But when the simplest little things incite, what then? JCMach1 May 2015 #96

You also have the right to remain silent (or in this case, leave your canvas blank). Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #26

+1000 n/t 951-Riverside May 2015 #30

Says you. lapislzi May 2015 #37

I recognize your right to be a dick. I just try not to encourage it. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #47

Eh, most of the time I try not to be. lapislzi May 2015 #56

No, the dicks are the ones stopping people from putting something on the canvas. FLPanhandle May 2015 #49

They're dicks, too. Murderous ones, as opposed to merely offensive. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #53

I agree get the red out May 2015 #79

Being a dick is actually a big part of much art. nt Codeine May 2015 #92

I'll defend the right of anyone to say or draw anything they want. Maedhros May 2015 #29

Blaming the attackers =/= putting that asshole on a pedestal. PeaceNikki May 2015 #31

Well said (n/t) derby378 May 2015 #35

you can but it's probably not to smart to retain a venue for a picture show, surround yourself with Sunlei May 2015 #32

I agree that the GISD was quite negligent, if not flat-out stupid, to host this venue derby378 May 2015 #42

when one looks at events this venue holds, I don't see any 'similar' events at all. Sunlei May 2015 #75

it was the venue for a pro-Muslim event earlier in the year muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #159

yes, but look at the list it is majority school functions. never had a hate group. Sunlei May 2015 #178

Do you expect a school district to make the judgement on whether people are a hate group muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #181

yes, the person using the venue has to pay for insurance, security. Venues are not open to lease to Sunlei May 2015 #183

"Not smart" is not synonymous with "illegal" here. But "murder in retaliation? Yeah, ILLEGAL. WinkyDink May 2015 #62

Okay. 99Forever May 2015 #36

Same goes for the gay couple holding hands walking down a public street, huh? PeaceNikki May 2015 #43

Is that what I said? 99Forever May 2015 #46

How's it different? PeaceNikki May 2015 #48

... 99Forever May 2015 #51

It's not. PeaceNikki May 2015 #52

Good post. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #69

Having a tiff with yourself? 99Forever May 2015 #77

Dunno why you're laughing, you just got wrecked nt Lordquinton May 2015 #136

If you say so. 99Forever May 2015 #144

I say so too. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #148

WTF? 99Forever May 2015 #151

She asked how it's different. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #153

Let me see... who else uses that "I gotta RIGHT" line? 99Forever May 2015 #155

It's also used by the organisers of gay pride marches muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #160

Can I be your friend? derby378 May 2015 #164

I see. 99Forever May 2015 #179

You were trying to paint "I've got a right" as a bad thing to say muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #182

Wow, that's an impressive logic fail you've got, there. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #184

'You freakin' people,' 'REALLY suck at it.' Call Me Wesley May 2015 #188

Don't attempt to put words in my mouth and ... 99Forever May 2015 #191

+1000 get the red out May 2015 #80

It's not. Dr. Strange May 2015 #85

Hell Yeah! NutmegYankee May 2015 #67

Please don't compare gay couples walking hand in hand with virilent racists Islamaphobes. stone space May 2015 #158

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Vinca May 2015 #39

Not comparable. WinkyDink May 2015 #63

Okay. Am I free to enter a movie theatre and yell "fire?" No. Vinca May 2015 #81

And this is why we must never protest against our government. Dr. Strange May 2015 #86

What's that got to do with yelling "fire" in a theatre and creating panic? Vinca May 2015 #122

Look at the history of the phrase. Dr. Strange May 2015 #125

Yeah, Geraldo Rivera tried this one, too. NOT COMPARABLE. The "FIRE!" argument is based on an WinkyDink May 2015 #152

That would also be because you do not have the freedom to do so. NutmegYankee May 2015 #73

Maybe that was a poor example. Vinca May 2015 #82

Yes you do, and anyone who thinks otherwise... NaturalHigh May 2015 #40

My point exactly derby378 May 2015 #45

There is no limit to what you can draw or write as long as you don't publish it. Cleita May 2015 #57

Are you REALLY comparing a physical danger from a CAR to people's being sensitive about a drawing?! WinkyDink May 2015 #65

Maybe not a good metaphor. I'm not saying anything. I'm saying we need to start discussing Cleita May 2015 #70

We have had a discussion about free speech. Codeine May 2015 #90

Esch. No one cares about blasphemy actually if directed toward some if not all Cleita May 2015 #97

Aww, someone here is still upset that their use of bigoted words was alerted on... Humanist_Activist May 2015 #141

Could you tell me what word I used that were bigoted? I used plain Cleita May 2015 #174

Maybe we dont. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #185

I actually drew Dr. Strange once. Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #61

I will smite your ass in great and furious anger. Dr. Strange May 2015 #84

In America we shouldn't have to worry about our Rights drawing gunfire. ileus May 2015 #64

You're right, we shouldn't have to but... justiceischeap May 2015 #76

Then this needs to be done even *more* often Bonx May 2015 #87

Absolutely, there is no question about that LondonReign2 May 2015 #68

No discussion get the red out May 2015 #78

do you understand it had NOTHING to do with the freedom to draw? Skittles May 2015 #83

You have a problem with the 'teabagging NUTCASES' exercising free speech ? Bonx May 2015 #88

Provoking them with drawings. Codeine May 2015 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles May 2015 #105

That is the bare, naked truth and it sickens me that people think this is about freedom of speech. cbayer May 2015 #93

Like it or not, it is derby378 May 2015 #98

I haven't at any point suggested that anyone's freedoms be curtailed. cbayer May 2015 #101

that's the latest meme, cbayer Skittles May 2015 #102

Yes, and this is going to be some hard crow to eat, but cbayer May 2015 #107

she has already won Skittles May 2015 #111

Not everyone, Skittles, but far too many. cbayer May 2015 #112

So, you agree with calling those religious people 'nutcases'; surely that's provocative? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #163

What? I have no issue with being provocative. You? cbayer May 2015 #165

So if this isn't about 'provocation', are you saying that we should just expect attacks on Geller muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #167

Why are you putting words in my mouth instead of just listening to what I am saying. cbayer May 2015 #168

You have accused people who point out her 1st amendment rights to hold the exhibition muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #169

I have done no such thing. cbayer May 2015 #170

"You have made this personal, as usual". That's even more personal. muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #171

Yes, it is. You seem intent in finding something wrong with what I have said cbayer May 2015 #172

I'm referring to what you have said on this subject; you refer to something I do 'as usual' muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #173

You are distorting what I am actually saying. cbayer May 2015 #175

YES I THINK PEOPLE WHO SHOOT PEOPLE OVER CARTOONS ARE NUTCASES!!!!!!!!!!! Skittles May 2015 #189

My post was about the inconsistency of 'provoking' muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #190

DONE HERE Skittles May 2015 #192

Yep. That subtlety seems lost on the hair on fire crowd. eom Cleita May 2015 #177

For the record: if any of you draws a picture of me... Dr. Strange May 2015 #89

Hmmmm.. is that a promise?? darkangel218 May 2015 #109

It's a threat. Dr. Strange May 2015 #119

Lmao!!! darkangel218 May 2015 #120

What about cosplay? progressoid May 2015 #117

Those are acceptable. Dr. Strange May 2015 #121

The response to cartoons you find offensive is NEVER to get a gun. alarimer May 2015 #99

Yeah, reall easy to say and do in a free society...try doing that in an Islamic country and then Rex May 2015 #100

QED derby378 May 2015 #108

post not complete without: panader0 May 2015 #103

You forgot Satan. and the god of Beer. darkangel218 May 2015 #104

Funny you should mention that... derby378 May 2015 #113

Do you mind sharing with me who the priest was? darkangel218 May 2015 #115

No problem - check your PM. (n/t) derby378 May 2015 #118

Thank you. Very interesting and eloquent presentation. darkangel218 May 2015 #126

The first amendment is a shield, not a sword. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #106

Ever listen to the FRIENDLY FASCISM album by Consolidated? derby378 May 2015 #116

Those Charlie Hebdo cartoonists FORCED those people to shoot them! Warren DeMontague May 2015 #139

More victim blaming. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #138

Pam Geller is not a victim. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #142

Oh, give me a break. You know EXACTLY what I'm saying. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #143

Yes, you're saying Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #145

Yep, you are now apologizing for people who shoot guns at cartoonists. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #147

I'll let my post speak for itself too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #149

Right, or when gay people bully christian fundamentalists by getting married or not hiding their Warren DeMontague May 2015 #150

My right to free speech does not mean LynnTTT May 2015 #123

I disagree. darkangel218 May 2015 #124

But your examples are not "in kind." Creating a vocal public disturbance is illegal; destroying WinkyDink May 2015 #154

A nation of fear, divided by the 1st amendment. Call Me Wesley May 2015 #127

So, tell us what you really think! Major Hogwash May 2015 #134

Well, it's a sloppery slope. Call Me Wesley May 2015 #186

Yeah, well, you're a foreigner and therefore inferior. Dr. Strange May 2015 #135

Heh! Call Me Wesley May 2015 #187

People really should read deathrind May 2015 #157

Go ahead. Buzz Clik May 2015 #176