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AtheistCrusader

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103. That was a thinly veiled 'you win, I got nothing'.

Mon May 4, 2015, 06:36 PM

May 2015

Your point was beautifully stated, and that is what happens when that poster is proven wrong, a tactical 'this is your fault, and I'm leaving'.

She has consistently claimed that Gellar is getting "support" here without linking to any actual posts that "support" her in any manner other than what you just articulated; 'I disagree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it'. Her speech may be vile but it is so far, fully legal, and no excuse for anyone to use force in opposition to her speech.

Support for that principle in no way amounts to support for Gellar as a person or her message. You caught Cbayer, detailed the why and how, and even offered historical precedent. That 'I'm out, you misunderstood me' is actually 'you win'.

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You should give a damn what she believes: Pamela Geller is flat out dangerous. [View all] cali May 2015 OP

The shooters were more dangerous. phil89 May 2015 #1

She has free speech to push her speech nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #4

As a demagogue though she can be dangerous too treestar May 2015 #9

Does anybdy know yet if the peope inside the Garland public school center were armed? Texas DhhD May 2015 #133

Nope. It's rarely the people actually with the guns who are the most dangerous jeff47 May 2015 #10

George Bush and more than a million dead Iraqis. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #126

She brought those shooters there. They would not have been there had it not been for this sabrina 1 May 2015 #38

They would not have been there skepticscott May 2015 #134

deeply insightful frylock May 2015 #65

It's not a competition. Ms. Toad May 2015 #73

She is a poster child for why America needs European style hate speech laws. ncjustice80 May 2015 #121

OUr worship of free speech CAN go too far duhneece May 2015 #124

Not quite. Her speech is more like Westboro Baptist than yelling "Fire" d_legendary1 May 2015 #135

She wants war and doesn't give a shit about the first amendment. cbayer May 2015 #2

Was the hippie punching necesary to make your point? nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #7

Hippie punching? What hippie punching? cbayer May 2015 #12

Here your post nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #16

Making an observation that someone is getting support from the far left is not hippie punching. cbayer May 2015 #17

Those who tend to be absolutists on free speech nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #21

Well, that code for hippie is not familiar to me. cbayer May 2015 #27

Well, now you know that far left is what it is nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author ncjustice80 May 2015 #122

cbayer was not hippie punching. That is an unfair accusation and comes across as a veiled attack. KittyWampus May 2015 #71

Far left is a well known piece of code nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #76

the "far left" is as accurate a term as "far right". It refers to extremists. Or do you want to try KittyWampus May 2015 #83

Reject what you want nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #84

actually, nadin, I voted NOT to hide your veiled attack. KittyWampus May 2015 #85

What attack nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer May 2015 #91

I don't see much difference between her and many religious figures and politicians who attack Bluenorthwest May 2015 #25

I agree. She is no different than any other hate group listed by the SPLC. cbayer May 2015 #29

Where do you get that she is getting support from the "Far left"? Scootaloo May 2015 #40

Some of the "First amendment" support for her right here on DU. cbayer May 2015 #45

DU is not "far left" Scootaloo May 2015 #49

I didn't say DU was far left, but I would say that some that consider themselves far left cbayer May 2015 #53

Are you aware of the concept of "posing"? Scootaloo May 2015 #70

Well, of course I am aware. Point taken. cbayer May 2015 #75

Conflating support for the first amendment... nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #52

You have completely misstated and /or misunderstood my entire position, but cbayer May 2015 #62

Have a nice evening nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #64

You're absolutely right, she conflates supporting 1st amendment with "cheering" beam me up scottie May 2015 #92

apparently pointing out some of this nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #96

Nah, you're on fire here. beam me up scottie May 2015 #97

I know, I know, but I really need to get back to the infrastructure reading nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #99

Go, do some good. beam me up scottie May 2015 #102

In many cases, she's correct Scootaloo May 2015 #106

cbayer conflated "championing her 1st amendment rights" with "cheering". beam me up scottie May 2015 #109

There's some problems there. Scootaloo May 2015 #110

I will agree with you on this nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #119

But if one brings up actual violations of free speech, "you're excusing the terrorists" Scootaloo May 2015 #123

In this case nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #132

That was a thinly veiled 'you win, I got nothing'. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #103

Ah nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #105

I would like to see someone on the "far left" supporting Geller.. mountain grammy May 2015 #55

There are those giving her cover by seeing this just as a 1st amendment issue, cbayer May 2015 #57

I've beeb checking out some liberal sites and not seeing that.. mountain grammy May 2015 #66

NOBODY is doing that. beam me up scottie May 2015 #95

Actually plenty of people here do agree with what she says Scootaloo May 2015 #107

Recommended. H2O Man May 2015 #3

Yup nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #6

you're most welcome. I've found it a bit dispiriting to read some of those posts. cali May 2015 #19

Yeah but...but free speech! HappyMe May 2015 #5

I recall people posting that Palin was dangerous treestar May 2015 #8

I put her in the same league as David Duke and Rush but less subtle in her bigotry. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #11

You nailed it again. Enthusiast May 2015 #77

Agreed. Usually the far-right is so full of noise about hate and violence that we get used to it. pampango May 2015 #13

We have two groups of posters that are talking past one another. Maedhros May 2015 #14

I think the problem is... MellowDem May 2015 #24

Well said The Green Manalishi May 2015 #35

Good post, MellowDem. Arugula Latte May 2015 #69

Except it's not criticism of religion. Scootaloo May 2015 #81

For many on the right, I agree... MellowDem May 2015 #87

No, it's not just the right Scootaloo May 2015 #89

I didn't say Geller was merely a critic... MellowDem May 2015 #118

I absolutely agree get the red out May 2015 #86

Except jihadists actually do gun down cartoonists for insulting Islam oberliner May 2015 #100

She is a hateful dangerous asshole, akin to Westboro assholes. PeaceNikki May 2015 #15

she's far, far more dangerous. she has a real following. cali May 2015 #22

But many who preach a more polished version of the same poison are in fact honored and lauded Bluenorthwest May 2015 #31

I heard her website links G_j May 2015 #18

The difference is that she has not been charged with a crime. However what the shooters did was totodeinhere May 2015 #20

She is an accessary to that crime. SHE brought them there and she did it knowingly sabrina 1 May 2015 #47

Legally proving incitement will be next to impossible nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #59

To be charged as an accessory to a crime requires a very strict legal standard. I have totodeinhere May 2015 #78

Agreed. K&R closeupready May 2015 #23

Geller is a FAR bigger threat to 'the American way of life' than any jihadist will ever be! n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #26

k&r... spanone May 2015 #30

She's dangerous. More so, because she's chosen a group with members who will react violently to her theboss May 2015 #32

Free speech is always dangerous. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #33

Simple and correct analysis. Thanks. erronis May 2015 #41

And false claims to free speech? jeff47 May 2015 #116

She disgusts me. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #117

what does that have to do with my op? Nothing. cali May 2015 #130

White Nationalists...that is a title I've been needing. SoapBox May 2015 #34

Gee...a known hate group, led by an anti-Islamist purposly try and provoke violence Rex May 2015 #36

Are the Muslims unable to control themselves? theboss May 2015 #37

No one is infantilizing Muslims Scootaloo May 2015 #68

Actually theboss did just that! Funny how he/she thought ALL of Islam when I mentioned Rex May 2015 #113

Yeah, "The Muslims" is a pretty obvious tell, isn't it? Scootaloo May 2015 #114

It is! Good eye there! Rex May 2015 #115

no, but individuals are sometimes unable to control themselves frylock May 2015 #74

Funny how you associated 'hate group' with ALL of Islam...just a slip of the tongue right? Rex May 2015 #112

If I read the OP last week, I would have dismissed it without a second thought. Jack Rabbit May 2015 #39

I was under the assumption that she is right wing Jewish olddots May 2015 #42

She's Livia Soprano. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #43

she's going to dig her own hole bigtree May 2015 #44

I have seen quite a number of DU posters make comments about Christianity similar to what she makes pnwmom May 2015 #46

Really, you've seen DU'ers call for mass murder of Christians, and it's allowed to stay? Scootaloo May 2015 #51

I wasn't aware she had called for mass murder. nt pnwmom May 2015 #93

Not only calls for it, but defends it when it happens. Scootaloo May 2015 #101

I see Christians regularly say gay people are criminals. Rick Warren, days before the inaugural Bluenorthwest May 2015 #54

I don't disagree with you about that. I'm just saying that Keller's speech against pnwmom May 2015 #98

We are allowed to criticize rightwing institutions on DU, no? Arugula Latte May 2015 #72

Of course. I'm just saying that her free speech against Muslims has been similar pnwmom May 2015 #94

utter bullshit cali May 2015 #120

You are either with the Southern Poverty Law Center assessment of Gellar and company, or you Fred Sanders May 2015 #48

What she is doing is making people freak out. Lobo27 May 2015 #50

Like Orly Taitz on steroids. nt silvershadow May 2015 #56

She's the " FIRE!!! " in a crowded theater clause . n/t orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #58

Pamela Geller is a loon! Enthusiast May 2015 #60

She also has very lucrative ties to organized crime... Tom Ripley May 2015 #61

Interesting underpants May 2015 #90

It would not surprise me in the least mountain grammy May 2015 #63

If an investigation reveals that nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #67

I wouldn't put it past her, because what good is her little stunt mountain grammy May 2015 #79

It is not me who has to think about it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #82

Exactly!!! Not a single one of us has excused violent retaliation. blm May 2015 #80

In general, yes, she is hateful. So she insults Muslims. So? Are they somehow to be immune? WinkyDink May 2015 #104

Even more worrisome to me locks May 2015 #108

Geller is a sicko and sad hate monger Gothmog May 2015 #111

Congrats! You have Donald Trump in your corner... brooklynite May 2015 #125

In case you haven't noticed, I also have the SPLC in my corner cali May 2015 #127

These assholes don't scare me. davidthegnome May 2015 #128

Thank you davidthegnome locks May 2015 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #131