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delrem

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14. I call bullshit.

Mon May 4, 2015, 06:55 PM

May 2015

Geller is probably one of the most full-on racist haters going in the USA today.
Her hate-inspired racist event wasn't about "Muhammed" or "cartoons", it was about promoting hatred for an entire people.
Nobody is suggesting that we "let people react violently to others' ideas" -- people are explaining the context of flat out truth that Pamela Geller's "ideas", her organizations, are evil, intended to promote and inspire a war against an entire people. A war that *exists*, has been killing Arabs, Muslims, in the hundreds of thousands and is escalating daily, and is not a figment. Any more than Pamela Geller's evil racist hatred is just some figment -- as if she were just an advocate for free-speech promoting an event for the good of the cartoon industry.

Your absolution for Pamela Geller's evil racist hate requires the total elimination of a context the Pamela Geller freely provides, to anyone who can stomach turning over the rock.

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Can We Stop Saying "Pam Geller Has Free Speech?" [View all] TygrBright May 2015 OP

She has a right to say whatever Aerows May 2015 #1

That should be a universal message. AngryDem001 May 2015 #19

As a species, we have got to start Aerows May 2015 #36

Actually There are Exceptions itcfish May 2015 #143

agreed samsingh May 2015 #27

Exactly..nt Jesus Malverde May 2015 #41

The more attention people like her get Aerows May 2015 #54

That's correct. The Constitution gives people the right The Velveteen Ocelot May 2015 #2

someone decides that you can't wear the color green and will become violent if you do. samsingh May 2015 #28

what if youd never worn green before elehhhhna May 2015 #48

A better analogy might be: Chemisse May 2015 #71

beheading and shooting people is far more cruel than anything you've described samsingh May 2015 #73

So now you are equating Islam with terrorism. Chemisse May 2015 #121

these scarce few are killing thousands? what is being done to stop them? samsingh May 2015 #135

I disagree with you. bvar22 May 2015 #138

yes that is bad. but the drones emerged after the attack on us. samsingh May 2015 #139

children being crippled or worse is horrible samsingh May 2015 #140

Wearing green isn't "speech" unless it symbolizes something. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2015 #99

I must (respectfully) disagree Telcontar May 2015 #122

That's true. Thank you for the correction. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2015 #137

+1000. The 1st and 2nd amendments are the problem here 951-Riverside May 2015 #3

Abolish free speech? SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #5

Progressive nations like Britain are doing just fine without those amendments n/t 951-Riverside May 2015 #47

Yay for Britain SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #51

Last time I looked, we weren't in Britain, GGJohn May 2015 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern May 2015 #102

Ditto on the 'right to keep and bear arms' as well. VScott May 2015 #57

I'm personally not in favor SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #58

That's a slippery slope. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2015 #6

951 fancies himself to be the arbiter of what's allowed... cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #69

You attitude scares me as much as the fundamentalists. Throd May 2015 #10

Any constitutional convention that was even remotely representative... Lizzie Poppet May 2015 #11

The one thing in our Constitution that scares the shit out of me is... Lochloosa May 2015 #15

You can have your own version of sharia law to yourself seveneyes May 2015 #16

after this incident, i respect Pam Geller samsingh May 2015 #29

You respect her? gollygee May 2015 #88

good point. i respect the bravery in free speech - i don't respect samsingh May 2015 #90

That makes more sense gollygee May 2015 #93

at least one of the would be killers was known to be in contact with terrorists samsingh May 2015 #158

I respect her willingness to say anything JustAnotherGen May 2015 #155

Lulz always so provocative. Jesus Malverde May 2015 #44

Yakno, Some day we will be able to ARREST people for saying stuff we don't like! Warren DeMontague May 2015 #157

Fuck. No. Adrahil May 2015 #152

What about hate speech against hate groups? Matrosov May 2015 #154

At the very least this incident should put her 'Freedom Defense Initiative' in a high risk category tanyev May 2015 #4

well, I have to look at it this way, if she wants to hollysmom May 2015 #7

i think the terrorists are the bad people samsingh May 2015 #31

I think if they'd taken out Gellar with themselves I would not give a rip elehhhhna May 2015 #55

she hasn't or threatened to kill anyone. how is she in the same league as those disgusting samsingh May 2015 #61

she provoked them and got exactly what she hoped for. elehhhhna May 2015 #145

again blame the victim mentality. sickening. samsingh May 2015 #148

so there are terrorists and the only question is what they will attack? samsingh May 2015 #32

No, I won't, for I don't accept your hair-splitting. WinkyDink May 2015 #8

Especially if it's paid for speech. Re: Faux Noise, et al. n/t freshwest May 2015 #9

Hate speech maligns persons as a group or class. Yo_Mama May 2015 #12

I call bullshit. delrem May 2015 #14

Yes she is a hater but her anti-Muslim crusade is not racist. totodeinhere May 2015 #20

Oh, cut the bullshit semantics. delrem May 2015 #21

How can being anti-Muslim be racist when Islam is a religion, not a race? totodeinhere May 2015 #24

http://pamelageller.com/ delrem May 2015 #38

alright - she's very disgusting too. atlas shrugs - ewwwwwww. samsingh May 2015 #64

yes. she is. delrem May 2015 #67

anyone who support atlas shrugged is sick and twisted in my opinion samsingh May 2015 #85

Then stop it. delrem May 2015 #98

because in the United States and Europe, "Islam" is heavily racialized, particularly by islamophobes Scootaloo May 2015 #43

thanks for that. delrem May 2015 #49

islamists have beheaded thousands of people in the middle east. i don't have any support for that samsingh May 2015 #72

You're supporting Pamela Geller. delrem May 2015 #78

don't try to say i'm supporting geller. i hate atlas. your name calling is interesting and samsingh May 2015 #82

You have been channelling Geller like nobody's business, samsingh. delrem May 2015 #87

both are evil samsingh May 2015 #91

Which has nothing to do with what I just explained to you Scootaloo May 2015 #96

You have your facts wrong. In the United States for instance 30% of Muslims are whites. totodeinhere May 2015 #104

You knowthat 30% is not "most" by any measure, correct? Scootaloo May 2015 #105

I didn't say "most," I said a plurality. totodeinhere May 2015 #106

I said most are not white. And they are not. Scootaloo May 2015 #108

I have to go to bed. But my definition of "impute" is... totodeinhere May 2015 #110

Because it nearly always goes hand in hand with prejudice against scary evil brown people. nomorenomore08 May 2015 #109

Fuck the bullshit and semantics seveneyes May 2015 #35

http://pamelageller.com/ delrem May 2015 #37

You made the claim seveneyes May 2015 #39

http://pamelageller.com/ delrem May 2015 #42

i call bullshit but not against Geller. samsingh May 2015 #34

http://pamelageller.com/ delrem May 2015 #40

should we link to islamist fundamentalist sites and isis? i would feel very dirty samsingh May 2015 #50

http://pamelageller.com/ delrem May 2015 #53

i would feel dirtier on the other sites. but then beheading tens of thousands samsingh May 2015 #62

Well, it's you that makes a choice in favor of exonerating Pamela Geller. delrem May 2015 #75

i think the constant terrorist attacks are worse than geller samsingh May 2015 #84

Isn't religion a protected class in the US? gollygee May 2015 #94

protected from your right to free speech? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #125

That's not what I'm responding to gollygee May 2015 #129

there are no laws against hate speech. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #133

I specifically said that gollygee May 2015 #134

There is no law against hate speech nor should there be. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #124

Let us say instead: "Pam Geller has limited free speech." Binkie The Clown May 2015 #13

Oh really. delrem May 2015 #17

shooting people up in the name of a religion may prove the 'those' comments to have some truth samsingh May 2015 #26

Only to a racist who impugns an entire people for the acts of a few. delrem May 2015 #52

what's a few? is isis only a few? samsingh May 2015 #66

ISIS is the current US enemy in the war on terror. delrem May 2015 #70

house of saud i not good guys. that's the disgusting joke samsingh May 2015 #79

Your broadbrush. delrem May 2015 #81

you forgot to post your link samsingh May 2015 #83

I responded directly to your post. delrem May 2015 #86

btw-you have posted alot of geller - i understand - she's pathetic samsingh May 2015 #92

The two nutcases are dead. Geller is thriving. Thanks to people like you. delrem May 2015 #97

you must have issues - i didn't even know about her until today samsingh May 2015 #113

What broadbrush? Implying that Muslims, as a group, are responsible for these atrocities. nomorenomore08 May 2015 #112

So instead of blaming Germans for WWII Binkie The Clown May 2015 #107

So the other 80-85% should be lumped in with the terrorists and radicals, and treated accordingly? nomorenomore08 May 2015 #114

That's NOT what I'm saying. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #116

For one thing, speaking out against extremism is punishable by death in some places. nomorenomore08 May 2015 #118

The poster mentioned women's voting. Either it's allowed in Muslim countries or it is not. Facts WinkyDink May 2015 #126

Since the first amendment uses the phrase "freedom of speech" muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #18

Re-read the OP. nt delrem May 2015 #22

It's wrong. If appears to not understand what the word 'freedom' means, and what 'free speech' muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #23

The OP provides context for a distinction. delrem May 2015 #45

she is exercising free speech and the attack by the two jihidists samsingh May 2015 #25

And further, her right to it is not in question Scootaloo May 2015 #30

"her right to it is not in question"? Not if you've been reading DU! WinkyDink May 2015 #128

Whatever gets you through the night. DefenseLawyer May 2015 #33

Somebody always has to clean up Aerows May 2015 #46

I'm sorry but, no, Keefer May 2015 #56

That security guard PAID for her speech. Blue State Bandit May 2015 #59

I can't stand Geller. But drawing Mohammed is not hate speech. boston bean May 2015 #60

did you read who the actual organizers / speakers at this event were? Skittles May 2015 #80

I think it gets a pass. delrem May 2015 #100

THAT is not illegal in the United States. WinkyDink May 2015 #130

NO ONE SAID IT WAS ILLEGAL Skittles May 2015 #144

so what if it was? Our right to free speech is not limited to "non hate speech". Warren Stupidity May 2015 #127

No, we should educate those that say she does not have free speech seveneyes May 2015 #63

That's what the founders of the nation called it Depaysement May 2015 #65

This OP has got its facts upside down Yorktown May 2015 #74

I don't consider most such depictions "hate speech" either. nomorenomore08 May 2015 #115

Well, you nailed the snag about Islam. Yorktown May 2015 #117

Much the same can be said of the Christian Bible. People were executed for "blasphemy" and "sodomy" nomorenomore08 May 2015 #119

No, there is one big difference: the assumed writer. Yorktown May 2015 #120

I think you underestimate the number of Christians who still take the Bible literally (or claim to). nomorenomore08 May 2015 #151

You are right in practical terms, not in theoretical terms. Yorktown May 2015 #153

I always feel bad when I hurt someone's feelings fadedrose May 2015 #76

I'm fairly certain that what the Founders were after was a protection from a tyrannical government. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #132

that this has to be explained on DU is pitiful Skittles May 2015 #77

Actually, depicting any living person or animal is forbidden. alphafemale May 2015 #89

R#21 & K n/t UTUSN May 2015 #95

She is a demagogue. Hissyspit May 2015 #101

That's the nicest thing a person could say about her, and still be true. nt delrem May 2015 #103

She wishes to ASPIRE to being a demagogue! WinkyDink May 2015 #131

No CBGLuthier May 2015 #111

no. Freedom of speech - aka "free speech" is the exact language used to describe this right. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #123

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2015 #149

Pam Geller Has Free Speech GOLGO 13 May 2015 #136

how did the Boston marathon insult the boston bombers? samsingh May 2015 #141

In case any body is curious, this was the winning cartoon: (warning-depiction of Mohammed) EX500rider May 2015 #142

Hatespeech is absolutely constitutionally protected,and I'm gonna engage in hate speech in this post Shoulders of Giants May 2015 #146

Am I free to disagree? lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #147

I don't have a problem with her use of the Constitution, I have a problem with her and her kind. Rex May 2015 #150

Sorry, I'll blaspheme all I want. Thanks. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #156