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cheapdate

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142. And I say, as a longtime resident of both Tennessee and Kentucky,

Mon May 4, 2015, 10:10 PM

May 2015

that your understanding of the voters and politics of those states is not accurate. Sure, there are some liberal and progressive Democrats in Lexington and Louisville.

But I don't think you fully understand how fragile support is for any Democrat outside of those areas. I don't think you can appreciate how strong the anti-Obama rhetoric is everywhere else in the state and what kind of pressure that puts on those dumb hicks to go with the flow and vote Republican.

Declaring for Obama in Kentucky or Louisiana is insane. The fact that Grimes came as close as she did, in an insanely conservative state, is a testament to her political skill.

(edit : I sat in a construction trailer every morning for six months on a union job site and listened to Obama-bashing sessions every morning over coffee. And these guys were union for crying out loud.)

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Just saw a poll on MSNBC that said 81% of Democrats [View all] redstateblues May 2015 OP

If MSNBC says it, then it must be true! WilliamPitt May 2015 #1

Lynyrd Skynyrd wyldwolf May 2015 #21

Your buddy didn't know a thing about LS Lochloosa May 2015 #42

Man, I wish I had seen them. zappaman May 2015 #97

Charlie Daniels opened. Hee haw Lochloosa May 2015 #101

Now those guys I did see. n/t zappaman May 2015 #141

Charlie Daniels opened. AlbertCat May 2015 #196

Most of us are quite aware of the odds. We feel fine about them. madfloridian May 2015 #122

I'm not referring to odds wyldwolf May 2015 #125

Uncharted territory. Bernie supporters are often quite intelligent...so adjust your thinking. madfloridian May 2015 #128

hmmm, no. You're still not getting it. wyldwolf May 2015 #133

No, you don't get it. You and Josh M do NOT get to define "real" Democrats. madfloridian May 2015 #150

No I'm the one that made the point so of course I get it wyldwolf May 2015 #159

Progressives repeat right wing talking points and support non-Democrats davidpdx May 2015 #162

That they do. wyldwolf May 2015 #186

"anyone who says they are a Democrat is a Democrat"---wyldwolf #186 bvar22 May 2015 #188

Any relevancy there? wyldwolf May 2015 #189

Go back and read your post #186 for relevance. bvar22 May 2015 #190

I have wyldwolf May 2015 #193

By their own words, it was a deliberate action to leave "traditional constituents" out of the mix.. madfloridian May 2015 #174

Who's own words? wyldwolf May 2015 #184

MSNBC didn't say it, just repeated it... so..... yay Hillary!!! uponit7771 May 2015 #24

... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #69

Can we see the Statistical Data of this "Poll" LovingA2andMI May 2015 #87

I'd like to know who else the people polled could pick. JDPriestly May 2015 #93

I do not know if they would switch or not, but your analysis at least makes sense. Other than the still_one May 2015 #110

Said poll DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #112

The link goes.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #118

Link to poll is near the top of the text. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #120

Here you go... PosterChild May 2015 #149

This might help: LovingA2andMI May 2015 #121

I believe Peter Hart is qualified to conduct a poll: DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #124

And I believe.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #126

I did post grad work in Government at the Florida State University. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #130

And his Poll.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #136

LOL DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #143

Is Bernie still polling at 4%? leftofcool May 2015 #145

Be careful lest he or she patronize you too!!! DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #148

Here's another poll with roughly the same findings: DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #151

You wonder why the margin of error is so high? I can explain that to you. bornskeptic May 2015 #161

Or conversely DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #171

I would like to know that too... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #178

So, it's really 81% of those 273 people? Jamastiene May 2015 #155

It was a subset of Democrats in a poll of 1,000 respondents DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #167

Yes, it is... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #173

They were just repeating a poll. hrmjustin May 2015 #135

Yup... joeybee12 May 2015 #2

It's the mirror image of the other site... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #72

A lot of Republicans believed they were Democratic plants yeoman6987 May 2015 #111

There was no point for Cain's accusers to continue once he dropped out... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #138

Lol. True. yeoman6987 May 2015 #140

Quite true. cheapdate May 2015 #116

We say they didn't get the turnout, because htye bashed obama. Scootaloo May 2015 #132

And I say, as a longtime resident of both Tennessee and Kentucky, cheapdate May 2015 #142

So, am I to understand that Democrats in KY and LA do not support Obama? Scootaloo May 2015 #146

Yes, that is correct, with qualifications. cheapdate May 2015 #152

What is it you supposedly understand? Grimes did worse than about any Democrat for either seat in TheKentuckian May 2015 #163

No, I'm not pushing for right-wing Democrats. cheapdate May 2015 #165

Winning Benton and the surrounding tens of people is not going to be a win for Democrats TheKentuckian May 2015 #195

I wonder who all those people are who have donated in small donations over $2 million to Bernie in sabrina 1 May 2015 #129

LOL DURHAM D May 2015 #3

Four days into his campaign, and Sanders isn't a household name yet? arcane1 May 2015 #4

He's a Socialist! BrotherIvan May 2015 #108

It's about damn time! Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 #179

She has more name recognition and a visible upaloopa May 2015 #5

She has more name recognition and a visible history. AlbertCat May 2015 #197

Agreed upaloopa May 2015 #198

Some of the Hillary supporters are here for sure. Thinkingabout May 2015 #6

Damn. 99Forever May 2015 #7

He had his four days. He gave it a shot. arcane1 May 2015 #28

They say that polls change..let see. Stuart G May 2015 #46

No, you didn't get it right tularetom May 2015 #57

Oh well ...back to 2nd Grade... Stuart G May 2015 #59

It's cool, I'm not the calendar cops tularetom May 2015 #60

Thank YOU...for not being the "calander cop" at DU Stuart G May 2015 #61

Do you really think Democrats don't already know who Bernie Sanders is? Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #64

I don't know who was polled, but since many people can't name their own senator... arcane1 May 2015 #66

I'll bet you can ask any garden variety Democrat who Ted Cruz is, and they'll answer affirmatively. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #70

Who knows? Cruz definitely gets more attention from Stewart, Maher, etc. arcane1 May 2015 #73

Because Cruz is a clown who will say anything for media attention. Jester Messiah May 2015 #147

Would an "objective" viewer make the distinctions you just made? I think not. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #156

Devinitely not. They have heard his name but don't think of him as a candidate and JDPriestly May 2015 #100

I can't wait. Once he tries to distinguish himself between "Socialist" and "Democratic Socialist".. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #157

What do you mean? JDPriestly May 2015 #192

Yeah, but they aren't the ones who have to explain it. n/t Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #207

Of course they are the ones who have to explain it. JDPriestly May 2015 #211

Not according to Chuck Toad. Hartmann & Papantonio will have to pick up their slack. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #212

Quick corrections Recursion May 2015 #187

The top bankers have not been indicted, and they are the ones that engineered the crisis. JDPriestly May 2015 #191

Most of them? No. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #177

That appears to be the case Gothmog May 2015 #8

81% of Democrats would also "support" (definition variable) Warren....or Sanders...we are a supportive bunch. Fred Sanders May 2015 #9

I may change parties....Ben Carson is has some enticing thoughts. dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #17

You would likely be the second DUer to do so tkmorris May 2015 #62

Sadly, the first DUer to say it was not being sarcastic. nt Curmudgeoness May 2015 #194

Excellent way to handle this topic, what is wrong with people? Do we WANT to lose? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #27

We can't afford to lose, either! freshwest May 2015 #49

The trouble comes when one tries to define "winning" tkmorris May 2015 #63

NO trouble for me, the differences between Hillary and ANY con are STARK NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #185

81% of democrats know who can win the general election in 2016 and the other 19% beachbum bob May 2015 #10

Childish insults. That'll teach 'em! arcane1 May 2015 #29

I am def the 19 percent! bigwillq May 2015 #11

me too. liberal_at_heart May 2015 #15

Good post. bigwillq May 2015 #16

thank you. I have decided long ago that I will no longer just hold my nose and vote for whoever liberal_at_heart May 2015 #50

That's exactly how I am. bigwillq May 2015 #52

And I'm lucky I live in WV. There's no way Hillary will win here... a la izquierda May 2015 #75

Awesome. I am not surprised at this. leftofcool May 2015 #12

I think future polls will show similar results. 4now May 2015 #13

We do not know the future...but the shadow knows...............nt Stuart G May 2015 #48

lmfao! hrmjustin May 2015 #14

Oh you! leftofcool May 2015 #18

. hrmjustin May 2015 #19

Shouldn't there be a BS bounce? yallerdawg May 2015 #41

Here is a bounce. hrmjustin May 2015 #44

Well, then . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #20

+10 nt 99th_Monkey May 2015 #35

I welcome their smugness! BrotherIvan May 2015 #113

So name recognition is a thing early in election cycles? Maedhros May 2015 #22

Typical poll BullShirt... pfft Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #23

Well actually revealing data of the Sample Group.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #90

I SAW that poll too!! Voice for Peace May 2015 #123

Well at least your OP was meant to unify DU and not divide it! Rex May 2015 #25

MSNBC: Hillary's image takes a hit!!!! Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #26

Hillary's negatives also equaled her positives in 2008. The closer she comes to being nominated leveymg May 2015 #39

She's at 42/42 favorable/unfavorable Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #45

She's going to take the Democrats and the country down with her if she's nominated. leveymg May 2015 #139

Which is weird, because the only place I interact with Democrats.... daleanime May 2015 #30

Let's see how Hillary and Sanders fare after 1-2 televised debates. 99th_Monkey May 2015 #31

Bernie will never make it to the debates! leftofcool May 2015 #53

What makes you think that? nt 99th_Monkey May 2015 #56

Is he going to die? BrotherIvan May 2015 #115

Then Clinton wouldn't have to pretend to be a populist! frylock May 2015 #199

Hillary Clinton will drop out of 2016 race 99th_Monkey May 2015 #203

If I don't like poll results, the poll is flawed. pampango May 2015 #32

MSNBC - heehee 840high May 2015 #33

It's a NBC-WSJ Poll conducted... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #80

That poll is old, when about 81% of all Democrats thought Hillary was the only one running. leveymg May 2015 #34

New Poll: Just 25% of all voters give Hillary high marks for being honest and straightforward Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #36

Yeah, I just saw the post with over SEVEN HUNDRED votes that's going like 90% Bernie Number23 May 2015 #37

Gee, I wonder where are those ghost "high fives" came from. Hhhhmmmmm..... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #68

Now, now Tarheel. Put aside your (well deserved) cynicism Number23 May 2015 #104

They probably don't know about Bernie yet. nt valerief May 2015 #38

Don't read too much into it. Renew Deal May 2015 #43

She is not even electable - read it right here DrDan May 2015 #40

and how many of those 81% vote in the primary? Motown_Johnny May 2015 #47

Well...18 million in 2008... brooklynite May 2015 #58

are you sure that wasn't mostly the other 19%? Motown_Johnny May 2015 #127

Both Obama and Clinton got about 48% of the total vote... brooklynite May 2015 #154

She will be running against someone far more experienced Motown_Johnny May 2015 #160

Experienced in the Senate? Yes... brooklynite May 2015 #164

compared to HRC's lifetime of 2 wins Motown_Johnny May 2015 #200

There was that Presidential race as well... brooklynite May 2015 #201

Bernie Sanders isn't starting from the same place Obama did mythology May 2015 #206

LOL nt kelliekat44 May 2015 #51

Thank you. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #54

That's a significant increase BainsBane May 2015 #55

The smartest Democrats post on DU Joe Turner May 2015 #65

That sounds kind of low. Should be closer to 90% Quixote1818 May 2015 #67

More like six percent, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #78

I guess the other 19% are fucking paying attention. nt Logical May 2015 #71

I can't believe the vanity... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #76

One Could Argue That Supporting A Patron Of The Oligarchs Could Indicate Same cantbeserious May 2015 #85

It would indicate what? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #86

Answered In The OP Above cantbeserious May 2015 #88

You can't be serious if you think I am going to succumb to your obscurantism. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #89

Ridicule - A Common Technique Used When Nothing Better Is Offered cantbeserious May 2015 #91

I am merely a passenger on the ride you started... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #95

One Will Have Take The Journey To Enlightenment On Your Own cantbeserious May 2015 #98

That's a less than sportsman like declaration of surrender. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #102

No Surrender - The Best Insights Are Personal And Revelatory - Good Luck On Your Quest cantbeserious May 2015 #106

81% woo hoo! workinclasszero May 2015 #74

SOMETHING like that! elleng May 2015 #77

Although polls this early out are basically meaningles, it is good news for her supporters Dragonfli May 2015 #79

There are Climate Change deniers and then there are Hillary deniers liberal N proud May 2015 #81

81% of people are against having bed bugs. Aerows May 2015 #82

"And it doesn't mean that the people doing that survey have a clue in their head," DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #84

I don't need an expert Aerows May 2015 #96

Only Indicates That The Oligarchs Have Made Their Choice cantbeserious May 2015 #83

giggle nt fadedrose May 2015 #92

Really� this doesn't mean shit... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #94

Who developed it? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #103

It was favorable/unfavorable, of Dem primary voters. CanadaexPat May 2015 #99

Did Warren an announce yet? MyNameGoesHere May 2015 #105

The media is (a) clueless, or (b) attempting to steer public opinion. NorthCarolina May 2015 #107

I'm glad for her. PADemD May 2015 #109

Yes. I have the same feeling. applegrove May 2015 #114

So 81% of Democrats don't learn from history uncleverusername May 2015 #117

they haven't met Bernie yet? Voice for Peace May 2015 #119

And once again, people will vote against their self-interest (i.e., a FREE PONY!) Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #131

We'll see how this goes.. it's so long until the primaries are over. I know the President's Cha May 2015 #134

. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #137

Yep, we've got a lot of work to do. Marr May 2015 #144

Once certain candidates are going to have to start onecaliberal May 2015 #153

I support Hillary quaker bill May 2015 #158

81% of the people they asked. ladyVet May 2015 #166

Most folks that I know aren't Democrats. IVoteDFL May 2015 #168

Not up to LoZo standards hobbit709 May 2015 #169

Not surprising. She is a great spokesperson for our party. NCTraveler May 2015 #170

Numbers are always right and majorities are always right. mmonk May 2015 #172

Polls cost money. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #175

I just saw a poll on MSNBC that said only 25% of voters think she's honest. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #176

So they polled 100 Democrats and 81 INdemo May 2015 #180

Wait. merrily May 2015 #181

R#28 & K for bwah-HAH!1 DUzy UTUSN May 2015 #182

LOL, 28 recs. Wow, popular! nt Logical May 2015 #183

lol. yeah Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #202

LOL !!! - You Funny !!! WillyT May 2015 #204

That's 81% approval rating from Democrats, not support. AtomicKitten May 2015 #205

I can approve of Hillary, but approve more of Bernie and vote for him in the NH primary. Vinca May 2015 #208

That doesn't mean only 19% support Sanders gollygee May 2015 #209

I read it on the internets HappyMe May 2015 #210