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Yorktown

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30. A perfectly inadequate image

Tue May 5, 2015, 12:32 AM

May 2015

I made one point and one only (therefore, not a Gish Gallop): that you manage to always find mitigating circumstances for the people who are violently intolerant.

* terrorists in muslim countries? Oh, but we shouldn't send drones on the poor darlings
* gun attack on cartoonists in Texas? Oh, but Geller is a provocative firebrand

The same principle is at work in both cases; the faulty equation Democrat=for the underprivileged=for the underdog no matter what=islamist terrorists can't ba all bad and it's our fault because Iraq.

The fact ISIS, the Taliban or Boko Haram do not have fighter jets does not make them cuddly little underdogs worthy of compassion. They are nuts who chop heads off or stone people to death for imaginary crimes.

Which I summed up by my affirmation that your moral relativism is stunning.

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What's the difference between Charley Hebdo and Pam Geller? [View all] Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 OP

Iran hold a contest of cartoons of the holocaust, and no one died still_one May 2015 #1

The US and a "western coalition" attacked Iraq and 200,000 died. delrem May 2015 #3

Was it Iran that was attacked by the US? Yorktown May 2015 #5

What????? delrem May 2015 #6

... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #9

What is being pointed out is we attacked Iraq, not Iran, and the reference in this sub thread was still_one May 2015 #14

Remember "Piss Christ"? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #32

How many people died awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #36

In fairness we are talking about radical Muslims, just as I would refer still_one May 2015 #56

They would if they had the power..... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #59

Radical Muslims have the power to kill but Radical Christians do not? theboss May 2015 #83

Radical Christians would LIKE to have the power to kill.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #87

Not EVERYTHING in the Middle East is about Israel.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #10

I wasn't referring to Isreal, I was referring to freedom of expression that some countries setup still_one May 2015 #15

Is it actual COUNTRIES that do that and not clerics? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #20

Iran was one of those countries, ask Rushdie still_one May 2015 #25

That was a LONG time ago. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #26

And Ahmadinejad? And Yusuf al-Qaradawi? Yorktown May 2015 #37

is spitfire going to answer this question? i don't it matters to Rushdie and the impacts samsingh May 2015 #41

I don't think they should be avoided to prevent an attack.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #47

you haven't answered the question on Rushdie. that was a country attacking his free speech samsingh May 2015 #53

Yeah, I did. I said it was a long time ago.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #64

so you don't care about the impact on a man's life? keep making excuses samsingh May 2015 #70

He's PROUD of it. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #75

more blame the victim. wow. this gets more interesting all the time. samsingh May 2015 #80

What were you saying about an agenda? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #81

Quotes could be pulled from the Bible too. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #46

do you want to try to stay in the present if you're trying to have a real conversation samsingh May 2015 #52

You know the core of your argument is stuff from several decades ago, right? Scootaloo May 2015 #55

actually i am - but you're being especially lenient against a death sentence samsingh May 2015 #71

Right. So you're using somethign from decades ago, while admonishing others to "stay in the present" Scootaloo May 2015 #84

again - a death sentence against a writer is not nonsense to people who don't support samsingh May 2015 #90

i seem to be more coherant and less supportive of death sentences than you samsingh May 2015 #73

Shahin Najafi had a fatwa issued against him as of May 2012, following the release of his song still_one May 2015 #62

Not by an actual country. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #65

sarcasm on: but that was 3 years ago - come on - be coherant : sarcasm off samsingh May 2015 #74

There have been others also still_one May 2015 #77

i know. and the misdirection by some is revolting - to say this was long ago - to Rushdie who still samsingh May 2015 #79

That's a good way of putting it. Renew Deal May 2015 #2

Disagree Yorktown May 2015 #4

I'm addressing the attempt by Geller to claim the world should say, "We Are Geller". Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #7

This is off topic but among other things.. Geller is Cha May 2015 #11

It's not off topic. It's another example of her stupidity. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #19

Thank you.. that's the way I saw it. Cha May 2015 #85

Tell me she didn't do this. Pooka Fey May 2015 #69

Conservatives are now claiming victim status because they aren't being hailed as heroes.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #78

Unless the ideology is construed to be anti-american. delrem May 2015 #8

Your moral relativism is stunning. Yorktown May 2015 #12

I have a link full of information for you to study... Scootaloo May 2015 #16

A perfectly inadequate image Yorktown May 2015 #30

You got all that out of a link to rationalwiki, huh? Scootaloo May 2015 #35

Got the glorious gist of your gish gallop Yorktown May 2015 #38

From a rationalwiki link. Scootaloo May 2015 #39

gratuitous ad hominem Yorktown May 2015 #42

Ad hominem has a specific meaning Scootaloo May 2015 #44

Yes, and you should learn it from this thread's arborescence Yorktown May 2015 #51

Your way of "debating" has taken you from Texas to Tehran Scootaloo May 2015 #54

LOL, You throw stones from a glass house Yorktown May 2015 #57

i notice spitfire only answers and twists questions that fit into some agenda samsingh May 2015 #40

Really? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #48

It's a mistake to call Geller stupid. She's not stupid cbayer May 2015 #13

Being a racist makes you stupid. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #17

Being a racist makes you a racist, and she is most certainly that. cbayer May 2015 #21

Cha pointed out Geller is also a birther.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #23

Actually she's pushed a story about Obama being the secret love child of Malcolm X. cbayer May 2015 #24

This is what happens when you think they all look alike. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #29

Well, it's also what happens when you have a hate driven agenda and want to cbayer May 2015 #34

How tough is it to rent a hall and scribble? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #49

How hard is it to garner this kind of media attention and get support form all over the spectrum? cbayer May 2015 #50

Not ALL over the spectrum.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #60

Hedbo stands for free speech, Geller doesn't. JaneyVee May 2015 #18

I actually found Charley Hebdo far more irresponsible than anything Gellar did (at this time) theboss May 2015 #22

A Strong Defense? CBGLuthier May 2015 #27

How? The cops took out both. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #31

Yeah but the undefended cartoonists in France died first. No one was killed by the Texas terrorists. CBGLuthier May 2015 #89

Some folks could think it's a pro-gun thing. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #98

What are the similarities between Charley Hebdo and Pam Geller? Bonx May 2015 #28

Nothing. nt LittleBlue May 2015 #33

the security in Garland was a lot more effective rollin74 May 2015 #43

CH was a soft target. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #45

They didn't go and shoot up a bunch of Jews unrelated to the event? Behind the Aegis May 2015 #58

Don't worry, I'm sure the KKK is on it. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #61

If not them someone, then come the excuses...or rather, excuse. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #63

There are times I with the aliens would land and clue us in that all earth's religions are myths.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #66

I really really do not like Pam Geller Gothmog May 2015 #67

The difference is that Charlie Hebdo's #1 satirical target is the Catholic Church Pooka Fey May 2015 #68

Has anyone posted images of these 'cartoons' that Geller wanted to showcase? randome May 2015 #72

It's like I've been saying for a while. These people are trolls. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #76

the difference between "satire" and "trying to be offense" is a matter of opinion and irrelevant. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #82

The butbutbut brigade is out in full force on DU, along with half-baked rationales about Warren DeMontague May 2015 #88

So Charlie Hebdo saying they weren't satire is...wrong? randome May 2015 #91

Who exactly said that and what exactly did they say? oberliner May 2015 #93

Not as clear-cut a distinction as I thought but still... randome May 2015 #95

Right - I saw that article too oberliner May 2015 #97

what? I'll try again: the difference between "satire" and "deliberately trying to be offensive" Warren Stupidity May 2015 #94

I'm not offering an 'apology' for violence. randome May 2015 #96

The winning entry was posted here oberliner May 2015 #86

I think the vast majority would see that as satire. And it's spot-on. randome May 2015 #92

That's kind of fantastic actually theboss May 2015 #99

Charlie Hebdo saying it isn't satire seveneyes May 2015 #100