Those who have or want to have children: would you want to genetically modify them?

[Trillo]

83. Okay, thank you. Apocalyptic philosophy and L-gulonolactone_oxidase

I'll try to change my approach a little bit to stop talking past.

As far as the similarity to apocalyptic philosophy, it really isn't that hard to understand.

We've had and have a society where the folks who are running the show are like that Rep who wants to intentionally create more misery, it's really not that difficult to understand why folks like myself would rather live in a different time when they hadn't yet conquered the world with their religion and related so-called "secular" structures, putting their folks in key pyramidal positions of power and influence throughout history, even usurping what they falsely assert is "secular" public education. Folks with similar viewpoints to that Rep and who lived long ago wrote the bible and I'm sure others, and others with similar views later edited it multiple times, and it has caused a whole lot of misery for many people throughout history all the way up to today.

Today we have doctors that intentionally harm kids and their patients, beginning on the day they are born. We have parents who are abusive in a variety of ways. We have schools who are more concerned about punishment than finding what the kid is good at and helping, and sending a few of those kids on to prison. We have employers who refuse to pay their employees, literally cheat them by withholding payment, "What'cha gonna do, hire a lawyer? You don't have the money." Other bosses are simply mean, its how they were trained themselves to motivate employees. Even when you find a boss that is okay, honest, reasonable, they have hostile workplaces where other employees bully each other. We have a corrupt economic system that is designed to trickle up money to a few super-rich people, and the minimum-wage system does not pay the masses enough to live and thrive.

The distribution of a bell curve will mean that a few folks will experience all of those negatives, while a few others will experience the opposite, great successes, the midas touch. And there are a lot more folks in the middle of the distribution who will experience a mix.



The information on Vitamin C is rather interesting. There is quite a difference between the information presented on the wikipedia page L-gulonolactone_oxidase, versus reading the page about Vitamin C. The latter has a lot of ambiguous language or phrasing, "have provided conflicting results", "found weak evidence", "failed to find" but another study "may be associated with increased survival", etc. I could continue, but the pattern is explained and occurs throughout the article particularly in the deficiency section. There is great medical or scientific resistance to the idea that Vitamin C is helpful to humans. The L-gulonolactone_oxidase page is not so written, though it may use more technical language.

My own big light bulb moment occurred some time back, I no longer recall the specific values, but I had calculated the normal circulating blood levels of ascorbic acid in felines who do produce their own C, for some reason decided to to convert it to mg amounts for an average human weight because I was playing with the spreadsheet already in relation to housecat husbandry and it was easy to calculate, and found it correlated to a daily human intake of 2000, maybe it was 4000 mg per day human dose (I don't recall the specific figure, it was somewhere in that range, and don't want to rifle through archived files right now). So, no, we're not just talking about scurvy and the low amounts known as RDA levels. Housecat type felines are animals that, while they live in the wild and when they have sufficient food and have not overpopulated an area of predation, are very healthy, they do not have "doctor" cats from which they purchase health services, they wouldn't need them even if they could. Humans, however, appear to have always had a medicine person of some kind to help them survive, and illnesses are often quite severe and sometimes fatal in the absence of modern medicine and pharmaceuticals. Back in the 1800s, it was common for a mother to lose 50% or more of her kids while they were infants or still quite young to disease (this relates to the value of vaccinations, at least when the medical establishment can be trusted to not adulterate them). Vitamin C is concentrated in lymph nodes, and nobody with institutional and scientific credentials seems to be able to understand why. uh huh. Most vitamin C pills are not timed release, and I've even had trouble getting multiple large-chain pharmacists to understand why that would be valuable, even given it's short elimination half life of 30 minutes. It's like the pharmacists didn't even go to school to learn that stuff. Red flags all over the place. In any case, even timed release varieties, supplementation would simply not be as beneficial as having your own body produce it 24/7, since the timed release methods are not perfect linear releases, and there's the issue of forgetting to take them.

L-gulonolactone oxidase deficiency is called "hypoascorbemia"[9] and is described by OMIM (Online Mendelian Inheritance in Man)[10] as "a public inborn error of metabolism", as it affects all humans. There exists a wide discrepancy between the amounts of ascorbic acid other primates consume and what is recommended as "reference intakes" for humans.[11] In its patently pathological form, the effects of ascorbate deficiency are manifested as scurvy.

I've wondered if we were to have a serious conversation about genetically engineering the human to produce their own Vitamin C if the folks who sell vitamin C would object, for they would see their sales largely end, though likely somewhat slowly. A few CEOs would lose their source of income. Additionally, it appears there would be greater health in the population overall, which would reduce the need for some medical staff, as people who are healthy generally do not go to doctors, office visits are generally unpleasant experiences full of folks who know better than you and are often arrogant and contemptuous, and even when they're not, they're interrogative, while veterinarians prove that interrogation isn't needed to practice medicine, and human medicine is sometimes deliberately harmful so long as they believe the harm will go unnoticed, they work too closely with cops who we have known for a long time are corrupt, but our leaders have been clueless. IOW, there would be entire careers at risk as well as sectors of the economy that are substantial, presumably even threaten Big Brother and the NSA's collection of information through such professionals (the snitch phenom, which isn't limited to schools, it's actually a function of hierarchy and arrogance).

If I was writing a science fiction novel (I won't ever do that, I'm not a good enough writer, but also know there isn't enough financial reward in it for 99% of those who are good enough), perhaps of an advanced past civilization, I'd make sure they had genetically engineered humans as a slave race, and deliberately removed genetic code which created optimum health, then would sell them pills so that as long as they did what the owners wanted, they could take that pill and stay reasonably healthy. If they didn't, they could just get sick and die, no need to violently murder anyone. Then the slaves would have a revolt, and to survive, they needed a medical sector of some kind appropriate to their current society, maybe called a "medicine man" or "medicine woman".

And there you have the dark side of genetically engineering human DNA, if only presented as hypothetical storyline. Meet the new Monsanto human, designed solely for ownership and slavery.

Well, our society already has that, the best slave is one who doesn't know it. Perhaps democratic governments have made marginal improvements around the edges, but our ownership by the extraordinarily wealthy and their trickle-up system is clear. That is our system's culture of deception as it has evolved through the centuries, and much of this deception is based around economics and money. That is why I would choose to be born into a different type of world, and cannot in good faith bring children into this one.

Too much money and greed, not enough love. The natural earth, while seemingly brutal and cruel, was honest, money wasn't needed, and we still thrived in spite of the problems. Our modern world has created a system where most folks can only thrive after you've paid a lot of money to higher educational establishments (and these have their own problems, campuses are usually police states), and even that method of survival has been threatened in recent decades. The point is that the natural world was better for the masses of people, while the modern world is better for a few.

Modern civilization is associated with deception and money.