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newmexicodem

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5. I agree and disagree

Tue May 5, 2015, 02:26 PM

May 2015

I don't think men should have veto power over the child birth/abortion but I also don't think women should have 100% free reign choice either.

A child is 50% sperm and 50% egg. That means male and female and mom and dad should have equal choice in the matter until the child reaches 18yrs old. Only thing that should alter the 50/50 is extenutating circumstances where one parental figure is obviously unfit to make rational decisions or unfit to be a parent(father in prison, mother on drugs, or other circumstance)

In the event the choices conflict such as mother wants abortion but father wants his kid to live or vice versa situation when mother wants the child but father feels it was a mistake......then a judge should decide the best interest of the child via guardian ad litem.

Sounds harsh but when it comes to child support the father often gets the short-end of the stick and is legally bound to be financially responsible. So why shouldn't he have equal choice and equal voice in the matter too?

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Fox Doc Argues Men Should Have 'Veto' Power Over Women's Abortions [View all] Capt. Obvious May 2015 OP

So what happens... jmowreader May 2015 #1

One of so many scenarios where this could go wrong! vankuria May 2015 #260

You know what would happen next jmowreader May 2015 #288

When men face the possibility of death for childbirth, then they get a say riderinthestorm May 2015 #2

Yep! Totally. When men can get pregnant, they can tell me ALL about it. calimary May 2015 #248

+1 hamsterjill May 2015 #254

Ablow is a nut case and should have his license pulled Gothmog May 2015 #3

That guy needs to get fucked sideways with a chainsaw. PeaceNikki May 2015 #4

I agree and disagree newmexicodem May 2015 #5

Men can't get pregnant so it's fair enough to them treestar May 2015 #7

But the risks associated with pregnancy are 100% women's mythology May 2015 #8

Women can die in childbirth. That means they get to decide 100% riderinthestorm May 2015 #9

Then the father can find a woman who WANTS to have a kid CharlotteVale May 2015 #10

Uh - no leftynyc May 2015 #12

agree 100% crazylikafox May 2015 #83

I don't see that as a militant position at all. Jamastiene May 2015 #88

"Men don't have to do anything but the fun part" AgingAmerican May 2015 #241

Men can choose whether to take part in raising the kid. Jamastiene May 2015 #242

If a man 'chooses' not to take part AgingAmerican May 2015 #246

Yea and there's alot of them out there vankuria May 2015 #262

There are an awful lot of them who do just that. Jamastiene May 2015 #280

It's the NATURAL thing to do AgingAmerican May 2015 #281

AMEN! nruthie May 2015 #199

+1000 smirkymonkey May 2015 #201

So you think a judge should have the power to control a woman's body, including geek tragedy May 2015 #15

He's been here since 2009... Hekate May 2015 #149

What's scary is that this isn't the most repulsive piece of MRA dog feces geek tragedy May 2015 #152

I think you made a wrong turn. demmiblue May 2015 #18

It's 100% in a woman's body gollygee May 2015 #19

Jury results (verdict: perfectly fine to advocate treating women's bodies as property of men) geek tragedy May 2015 #22

Wow... that is just jaw dropping. demmiblue May 2015 #24

edited to add. Several MRAs on the jury. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #25

Yes, indeed there were. demmiblue May 2015 #27

That's disturbing. If this post isn't considered hideworthy - CharlotteVale May 2015 #26

Alerter has a biased and hateful agenda? gollygee May 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy May 2015 #31

The MRAs view everything upside down. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #34

that one really blew me away too. BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #184

More likely they wanted everyone to have a turn tearing him a new one. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #35

At least two indicated agreement. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #38

Which two comments are you seeing that? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #45

the anger and hostility towards someone objecting to male supremacism was startling geek tragedy May 2015 #47

They say the alerter overreacted. That's not agreeing. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #51

They did not say overreact, they said stuff like it was "biased and hateful" to geek tragedy May 2015 #56

LOL! No, the one said the alerter should grow a spine.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #80

I get it. Some people think that misogyny and arguing against women's civil rights geek tragedy May 2015 #84

Do you believe this place should be an oasis? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #89

Yes. There should be at least one progressive discussion board on the internet geek tragedy May 2015 #90

Some of these people aren't "bigots and wingnuts"... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #104

yes. our MRA dems. we recognize them. nt seabeyond May 2015 #106

Misogyny is bigotry, and advocating sexism makes a person a sexist. geek tragedy May 2015 #110

kinda like, a gay once patted me on the ass, so homophobia is ok. or a black person seabeyond May 2015 #116

no one's immune from having racist/misogynist etc thoughts geek tragedy May 2015 #120

Attacking someone is not the best way to get them to take up the cause.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #167

not "nice enough" to be rewarded with pro choice support? nt seabeyond May 2015 #168

Probably because I didn't look for problems that aren't there. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #174

Men who think women's bodies are their property are not persuadeables geek tragedy May 2015 #171

Which is why many of them vote Republican. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #175

They vote Republican because they're sexist assholes who fit in with that geek tragedy May 2015 #176

Nobody said it was. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #177

Anyone who says gay marriage should be illegal gets the boot here. Arugula Latte May 2015 #258

IF that's what they are. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #259

I have to stand by the Jury... brooklynite May 2015 #39

So, stating that men have a property interest in a woman's body is not offensive? geek tragedy May 2015 #40

Offensive? Perhaps. Who said you had the right not to be offended? brooklynite May 2015 #42

So, Holocaust denial should be ok here? geek tragedy May 2015 #43

Swinging for the fences, I see... brooklynite May 2015 #48

Point 1: You're stating a falsehood, several of the comments were outraged geek tragedy May 2015 #50

there is absolutely NOTHING "reasonable" about proudly proclaiming that MEN have a right to niyad May 2015 #105

Could you point out the words that "proudly" proclaim that? brooklynite May 2015 #121

so it's okay to advocate male supremacism so long as it's done humbly? geek tragedy May 2015 #127

How precisely do you measure a valid analogy as "swinging at the fences?" LanternWaste May 2015 #129

It wasn't rude treestar May 2015 #165

A woman's right to choose is clearly defined in our Democratic Party Platform and objections to it PeaceNikki May 2015 #169

this is way, way worse than the normal anti-choice stuff. geek tragedy May 2015 #179

Solid point. PeaceNikki May 2015 #180

No shit ... this is SICK! etherealtruth May 2015 #182

anti choice on a democractic progressive board should be TOS. seabeyond May 2015 #53

advocating both forced birth and forced abortion. geek tragedy May 2015 #57

yes. it's in the Democratic Platform. PeaceNikki May 2015 #61

That would be Skinner's decision, rather than yours or mine... brooklynite May 2015 #62

but, your opinion is that sexism, misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia geek tragedy May 2015 #70

To be fair - DURHAM D May 2015 #82

Well, that's been honored in the breach. geek tragedy May 2015 #85

The TOS does not clearly cover sexism. DURHAM D May 2015 #91

I'm aware of that failing, but seeing as how the TOS has been effectively revoked geek tragedy May 2015 #93

Yes it does... one_voice May 2015 #102

Perhaps you missed my other commentss. DURHAM D May 2015 #115

Ah, no I saw them, I misunderstood... one_voice May 2015 #125

I wasn't aware of this, zero tolerance for racism, transphobia and homphobia? That doesn't... Humanist_Activist May 2015 #240

Why isn't it? Is this a Democratic party affiliated board or not? CharlotteVale May 2015 #64

Ask the guys who own the place. nt DURHAM D May 2015 #73

hosts are constantly locking what they deem meta, with women issues. i would like a list of hosts. seabeyond May 2015 #63

That was a bad, bad lock...nt SidDithers May 2015 #66

i have seen it too many times not to be obvious and hosts names are connected seabeyond May 2015 #67

MRA talking points claim a win. nt seabeyond May 2015 #69

Yep. Laffy Kat May 2015 #143

Yes it was. PeaceNikki May 2015 #101

Yep. nt DURHAM D May 2015 #76

i would like a list of hosts. one_voice May 2015 #107

"maintain a 100% chance of serving on a jury." star, no hides, no posting on OPs. no blocking people seabeyond May 2015 #114

Yes...no hides... one_voice May 2015 #118

What? gollygee May 2015 #124

it stated you had to be at a 100% to serve jury. at zero of serving seabeyond May 2015 #130

Had I been on that jury, enlightenment May 2015 #131

I guess the question is where does the line get drawn, where advocacy is per se trolling geek tragedy May 2015 #133

That's a good question. enlightenment May 2015 #142

Thanks for the very thoughtful reply. geek tragedy May 2015 #144

Thank you for the brief conversation! enlightenment May 2015 #148

I've been anything but brief in this thread. geek tragedy May 2015 #150

True . . . enlightenment May 2015 #153

except you are saying MRA talking points fine on du. is KKK talking points? rw talking points? nt seabeyond May 2015 #161

No, seabeyond, enlightenment May 2015 #188

what a cop out. that is pure MRA talking point. why are they allowed on du for discussion, not KKK seabeyond May 2015 #189

Okay (the cat is where I thought he was enlightenment May 2015 #192

a pass. not hidden. so we allow KKK and rw talking points get a pass. not hidden, too? seabeyond May 2015 #198

Respectfully, that is giving them a pass. kcr May 2015 #213

That is giving them a pass. And yes- his opinions are equally sick and disturbing as anything the KK bettyellen May 2015 #265

When will people get that it is never polite or reasonable boston bean May 2015 #185

as long as it needs to be said, we'll have to be here saying it. geek tragedy May 2015 #186

sorry, but it was, in fact, hate speech--hatred against women's autonomy and control niyad May 2015 #141

I don't agree enlightenment May 2015 #147

Fuck having to "do a fine job"'responding to the idea women are chattel. bettyellen May 2015 #273

Who the hell ARE these people? I hope they're proud enough to tell us who they are. Hekate May 2015 #146

I would imagine we have a pretty good idea who at least some of them are. niyad May 2015 #166

astounding and sickening etherealtruth May 2015 #155

why do jurors write insulting remarks? Shame on those who do. uppityperson May 2015 #191

another example awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #194

Please alert on that jurist. Sick stuff! bettyellen May 2015 #200

this means, you are anti choice. on du. seabeyond May 2015 #49

Her body, his choice. But that is not offensive or over the top. geek tragedy May 2015 #52

As you know that is no big deal here. DURHAM D May 2015 #68

Here is my answer - DURHAM D May 2015 #54

"A child is 50% sperm and 50% egg." Starry Messenger May 2015 #65

I really hope this gets answered by the OP KMOD May 2015 #81

no way. it is her body Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #94

Barring abuse Kelvin Mace May 2015 #96

And we do. The title in your reply is specifically why we should never ever be compelled to. PeaceNikki May 2015 #135

Agreed, Kelvin Mace May 2015 #139

Parental notification laws are awful for the same reason. PeaceNikki May 2015 #140

Oh that's adorable REP May 2015 #97

BECAUSE IT IS NOT HIS BODY AT RISK!!! he is not going to risk gestational diabetes, stroke, niyad May 2015 #100

it's been my experience that men are usually involved in the decision notadmblnd May 2015 #123

It may be ohheckyeah May 2015 #151

Are you SURE you're on the right board? hifiguy May 2015 #170

well i disagree 1000% with you. spanone May 2015 #183

Absolutely, 100% awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #193

you are wrong with a lot of that uppityperson May 2015 #195

I agree with you. craigmatic May 2015 #205

Pregnancy changes a woman's body. Forever. Ilsa May 2015 #217

By the time the judge gets to the final decision nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #218

100% dependent on the woman's body, 0% involved with the father's body. MH1 May 2015 #231

Childbirth is 100% labor by the mother eridani May 2015 #239

So, you advocate Bettie May 2015 #249

Yeah, grow a uterus and then get back to us. Arugula Latte May 2015 #255

Judge deciding? vankuria May 2015 #261

A judge should decide? vankuria May 2015 #264

Men have breast milk? treestar May 2015 #6

Couldn't help but think of this... one_voice May 2015 #46

LOL treestar May 2015 #136

Ex-DUer bicentennial_baby used to have to serve him KamaAina May 2015 #11

Dude should wear a sign around his neck, reading: MineralMan May 2015 #13

So should at least one participant in this discussion. See above, and below nt geek tragedy May 2015 #30

Works for me Hekate May 2015 #154

Actually, men already have that power, in most cases Trillo May 2015 #14

Vasectomy is favorite for me. Then the guy with the attitude can keep all his little swimmers... Hekate May 2015 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author newmexicodem May 2015 #16

go back to your MRA cave frylock May 2015 #17

If you'd rather not donate sperm, simply ensure it by avoiding sex. LanternWaste May 2015 #20

A woman gets 100% choice over the pregnancy because she's the one who is pregnant gollygee May 2015 #21

If you are unwilling to be a father... MadrasT May 2015 #23

Your misogyny is showing, and it is as ugly as it is hateful and irrational. geek tragedy May 2015 #28

I'll just stick this here, if anyone is curious: demmiblue May 2015 #36

gotta love the men who think they deserve to be paid for ejaculating. geek tragedy May 2015 #41

textbook MRA argement. no control over woman, dont have to pay child support. nt seabeyond May 2015 #58

Polyandry? Trillo May 2015 #145

accusing mothers of spending child support money on themselves treestar May 2015 #187

if i understand your post properly, you admit being an irresponsible sperm donor. unblock May 2015 #32

So how is this guy still a doctor? Initech May 2015 #33

Dr. "I-blow" may... 3catwoman3 May 2015 #37

"If men could have babies, abortion would be a sacrament" - Bumper sticker I saw. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #44

from the incredible, amazing, florynce kennedy. niyad May 2015 #112

And available 24 hrs a day on... one_voice May 2015 #113

And right next to the drive-thru ammo shop/liquor store. hifiguy May 2015 #173

If he wants that men be able to make reproductive choices for women, then he'd better agree MADem May 2015 #55

There's no good answers on the issue. craigmatic May 2015 #59

There most certainly is a good answer. CharlotteVale May 2015 #71

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. It's the woman's choice. MineralMan May 2015 #72

So 1 person should have 100% sole decision making authority over whether 2 people have a child? craigmatic May 2015 #203

Yes. PeaceNikki May 2015 #207

Women don't just 'generally' have the right to do what they want with their own bodies ... polly7 May 2015 #210

If what you were saying was 100% true then they wouldn't have drug possession laws. craigmatic May 2015 #212

Pardon? polly7 May 2015 #214

I think we've got ourselves a libertarian. PeaceNikki May 2015 #216

I think if he wants a child so bad that he would force a woman to carry one to term polly7 May 2015 #219

I have no doubt that is only one of many "red flags" about that dude. PeaceNikki May 2015 #220

Probably true! I'm very glad most men don't believe the same things. nt. polly7 May 2015 #221

Wow strawman much? craigmatic May 2015 #233

No, not at all. nt. polly7 May 2015 #235

I don't belive in the free market enough to be libertarian and on this issue the craigmatic May 2015 #229

Not true. Libraterians are total misogynists. PeaceNikki May 2015 #230

My point was that there is no such thing as total freedom. There are laws and limits on things you craigmatic May 2015 #224

A woman is breaking no law by controlling what happens with her own body. polly7 May 2015 #226

But, but, but HIS SPERM IS IN THERE!!!!!111! PeaceNikki May 2015 #227

LOL. That is what it seems to be what it's all about. nt. polly7 May 2015 #228

Not "generally." Always. MineralMan May 2015 #243

How about she has an abortion and sends you the tissue in a box? PassingFair May 2015 #247

cool we can make soup. I'm glad you know your slogans that helps craigmatic May 2015 #251

It's not fair a woman risks her life to bear the baby.... bettyellen May 2015 #266

He does. At that moment when he decides to take off his pants. There's his shot at making ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #268

so you are anti choice, also? you cannot say you are pro choice, when your words say anti choice. seabeyond May 2015 #74

Sure you can you can e pro-choice and still go back and re-examine the issue. That's all I'm doing craigmatic May 2015 #250

no. not true. nt seabeyond May 2015 #252

You are re-examining whether women are autonomous beings with equal rights ....? etherealtruth May 2015 #263

It's "boring" to decisively conclude women should control their own bodies?? WTF dude? Shitty bettyellen May 2015 #267

Alert results: 99Forever May 2015 #270

It's perfect right for a woman to have an abortion gollygee May 2015 #75

Oh, ffs.... Your post is filled with RW and MRA rhetoric. Are you on the correct site? PeaceNikki May 2015 #77

Jury kept this one too. 3-4. geek tragedy May 2015 #86

Could you be any more rightwing and misogynist? geek tragedy May 2015 #79

Yeah. He did actually seem to imply that a woman should be forced to abort. alphafemale May 2015 #196

Actually I meant the man would get to sign away his rights and not have to support it. craigmatic May 2015 #202

How about you only have sex with people with your 1959 mindset? alphafemale May 2015 #204

Really 1959 mindset just because I don't automatically assume one person should make life choices craigmatic May 2015 #206

Women generally do discuss with their partners, they just shouldn't be legally compelled to. PeaceNikki May 2015 #208

I never called anybody a monster. I just said more conversation was needed. craigmatic May 2015 #211

Women generally do discuss with their partners, they just shouldn't be legally compelled to. PeaceNikki May 2015 #215

If they don't involve their partners, it's usually for good reason. You don't think there's anything craigmatic May 2015 #222

The only 'reason' needs to be, the woman does not choose to carry a child to term. Period. polly7 May 2015 #223

No, I don't. And it's sick that you do. PeaceNikki May 2015 #225

Ok don't fuck people you don't trust good advice. craigmatic May 2015 #232

Then I revert back to: tough shit. PeaceNikki May 2015 #234

I care about EVERYBODY concerned and you refuse to accept nuance. craigmatic May 2015 #236

No, you really don't. I think you think you so, but you don't. PeaceNikki May 2015 #237

In case you need evidence: PeaceNikki May 2015 #238

You don't care about the kid. You flat out don't, since your position is that men should geek tragedy May 2015 #245

Both should make a decision? Mariana May 2015 #253

I think there some form of mediation for it not necessarily a lawsuit or a law but something. craigmatic May 2015 #257

So you think a third party should have the final say? Mariana May 2015 #274

yes what I said goes for both scenarios. craigmatic May 2015 #275

I have a better idea. Mariana May 2015 #276

Women DO overwhelmingly do this already. Women are not monsters. PeaceNikki May 2015 #282

He wants to make it mandatory. Mariana May 2015 #286

I know. It's fucking horrifying. PeaceNikki May 2015 #287

Your squirt of giz is not equal to a body alphafemale May 2015 #209

Then discuss it before you jump in bed with someone and have unprotected sex NickB79 May 2015 #271

So the born child's welfare is less important to you than allowing men to be free geek tragedy May 2015 #244

I'm no MRA. They blame feminism and the matriarchy. I realize all of the laws were written by men. craigmatic May 2015 #277

You are still thinking of the man's interests as geek tragedy May 2015 #278

the system sucks- there's kids in abusive situations that don't get taken out. craigmatic May 2015 #279

Yes you are MRA. LeftOfWest May 2015 #283

I'm not backing away from my own opinions just because they're unpopular here. craigmatic May 2015 #285

A woman is not an interchangeable Lego part for your dick...she could die in childbirth. Lars39 May 2015 #87

That is quite a turn of phrase! +1 demmiblue May 2015 #92

OMG, love it: "A woman is not an interchangeable Lego part for your dick" PeaceNikki May 2015 #95

Clearly you don't understand what "pro-choice" means. arcane1 May 2015 #99

Sure there is. REP May 2015 #103

You left one out-- Starry Messenger May 2015 #108

ok craig, try this out next time you're in a relationship KMOD May 2015 #111

HER BODY, HER CHOICE, PERIOD. niyad May 2015 #117

not all. he may have had a messy divorce or two. so allowed to be misogynist. (another poster seabeyond May 2015 #122

oh dear goddess, I missed that one!! niyad May 2015 #126

The "good answer" is for people to worry about the one body attached to their neck Warren DeMontague May 2015 #119

Oh yes there is--and it's a simple one. Not YOUR uterus? Not YOUR business. MADem May 2015 #181

This kind of imbecility makes one ponder deeply hifiguy May 2015 #60

The solution is simple: Feron May 2015 #78

Would be nice if everyone stopped watching Faux News LittleBlue May 2015 #98

The decision-making power over the pregnancy belongs with the person whose body is pregnant Warren DeMontague May 2015 #109

+1 nt geek tragedy May 2015 #128

what warren said restorefreedom May 2015 #132

rAmen to that, Warren. hifiguy May 2015 #134

Exactly, Warren!! PeaceNikki May 2015 #137

so keith, if dad decides he doesn't want the kid, he can veto bringing the pregnancy to term spanone May 2015 #138

When a woman can force any man to be snipped. One_Life_To_Give May 2015 #156

I don't want that control over men and I don't want them to have control over me. PeaceNikki May 2015 #160

more MRA? are you talking a baby, not a man, with circumcision? what women are seabeyond May 2015 #164

the risks associated with pregnancy hugely outweigh the risks associated with a vasectomy uppityperson May 2015 #197

Imagine that ... right wing nut job doesn't view women as EQUAL autonomous beings etherealtruth May 2015 #158

Sadly, that rightwing nutjob has people agreeing with him in this thread. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #159

I saw that etherealtruth May 2015 #162

Yeah Keith, what if the woman wants the baby and the man doesn't because he's a cheap bastard? Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #163

This thread is infested with newbie trolls. JaneyVee May 2015 #172

Creepy assholes hate abortion. LeftOfWest May 2015 #284

Self-defense doesn't require approval from a sexually intimate partner. HereSince1628 May 2015 #178

pure evil! m-lekktor May 2015 #190

I should have veto power over whether this guy gets to keep his genitals. Arugula Latte May 2015 #256

I'm all for this... ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #269

What a sexist pig. bobjacksonk2832 May 2015 #272