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188. "anyone who says they are a Democrat is a Democrat"---wyldwolf #186

Tue May 5, 2015, 03:13 PM

May 2015

*That worked for Republican Arlen Specter who, within months of changing the letter after his name, received the backing of the White House and the DSCC.

*It worked for Lincoln Chaffe.

*Most of all it worked for Joe Lieberman after his treachery at the convention.
The Democrats Senators gave him a standing ovation when he changed the letter back to a "D" without changing anything else.

NONE of the above renounced or repudiated ANY of the Republican Platform, or Talking Points, or Conservatism, before changing the letter after their name to a "D".

[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center] [center] [/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]

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Just saw a poll on MSNBC that said 81% of Democrats [View all] redstateblues May 2015 OP

If MSNBC says it, then it must be true! WilliamPitt May 2015 #1

Lynyrd Skynyrd wyldwolf May 2015 #21

Your buddy didn't know a thing about LS Lochloosa May 2015 #42

Man, I wish I had seen them. zappaman May 2015 #97

Charlie Daniels opened. Hee haw Lochloosa May 2015 #101

Now those guys I did see. n/t zappaman May 2015 #141

Charlie Daniels opened. AlbertCat May 2015 #196

Most of us are quite aware of the odds. We feel fine about them. madfloridian May 2015 #122

I'm not referring to odds wyldwolf May 2015 #125

Uncharted territory. Bernie supporters are often quite intelligent...so adjust your thinking. madfloridian May 2015 #128

hmmm, no. You're still not getting it. wyldwolf May 2015 #133

No, you don't get it. You and Josh M do NOT get to define "real" Democrats. madfloridian May 2015 #150

No I'm the one that made the point so of course I get it wyldwolf May 2015 #159

Progressives repeat right wing talking points and support non-Democrats davidpdx May 2015 #162

That they do. wyldwolf May 2015 #186

"anyone who says they are a Democrat is a Democrat"---wyldwolf #186 bvar22 May 2015 #188

Any relevancy there? wyldwolf May 2015 #189

Go back and read your post #186 for relevance. bvar22 May 2015 #190

I have wyldwolf May 2015 #193

By their own words, it was a deliberate action to leave "traditional constituents" out of the mix.. madfloridian May 2015 #174

Who's own words? wyldwolf May 2015 #184

MSNBC didn't say it, just repeated it... so..... yay Hillary!!! uponit7771 May 2015 #24

... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #69

Can we see the Statistical Data of this "Poll" LovingA2andMI May 2015 #87

I'd like to know who else the people polled could pick. JDPriestly May 2015 #93

I do not know if they would switch or not, but your analysis at least makes sense. Other than the still_one May 2015 #110

Said poll DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #112

The link goes.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #118

Link to poll is near the top of the text. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #120

Here you go... PosterChild May 2015 #149

This might help: LovingA2andMI May 2015 #121

I believe Peter Hart is qualified to conduct a poll: DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #124

And I believe.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #126

I did post grad work in Government at the Florida State University. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #130

And his Poll.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #136

LOL DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #143

Is Bernie still polling at 4%? leftofcool May 2015 #145

Be careful lest he or she patronize you too!!! DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #148

Here's another poll with roughly the same findings: DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #151

You wonder why the margin of error is so high? I can explain that to you. bornskeptic May 2015 #161

Or conversely DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #171

I would like to know that too... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #178

So, it's really 81% of those 273 people? Jamastiene May 2015 #155

It was a subset of Democrats in a poll of 1,000 respondents DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #167

Yes, it is... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #173

They were just repeating a poll. hrmjustin May 2015 #135

Yup... joeybee12 May 2015 #2

It's the mirror image of the other site... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #72

A lot of Republicans believed they were Democratic plants yeoman6987 May 2015 #111

There was no point for Cain's accusers to continue once he dropped out... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #138

Lol. True. yeoman6987 May 2015 #140

Quite true. cheapdate May 2015 #116

We say they didn't get the turnout, because htye bashed obama. Scootaloo May 2015 #132

And I say, as a longtime resident of both Tennessee and Kentucky, cheapdate May 2015 #142

So, am I to understand that Democrats in KY and LA do not support Obama? Scootaloo May 2015 #146

Yes, that is correct, with qualifications. cheapdate May 2015 #152

What is it you supposedly understand? Grimes did worse than about any Democrat for either seat in TheKentuckian May 2015 #163

No, I'm not pushing for right-wing Democrats. cheapdate May 2015 #165

Winning Benton and the surrounding tens of people is not going to be a win for Democrats TheKentuckian May 2015 #195

I wonder who all those people are who have donated in small donations over $2 million to Bernie in sabrina 1 May 2015 #129

LOL DURHAM D May 2015 #3

Four days into his campaign, and Sanders isn't a household name yet? arcane1 May 2015 #4

He's a Socialist! BrotherIvan May 2015 #108

It's about damn time! Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 #179

She has more name recognition and a visible upaloopa May 2015 #5

She has more name recognition and a visible history. AlbertCat May 2015 #197

Agreed upaloopa May 2015 #198

Some of the Hillary supporters are here for sure. Thinkingabout May 2015 #6

Damn. 99Forever May 2015 #7

He had his four days. He gave it a shot. arcane1 May 2015 #28

They say that polls change..let see. Stuart G May 2015 #46

No, you didn't get it right tularetom May 2015 #57

Oh well ...back to 2nd Grade... Stuart G May 2015 #59

It's cool, I'm not the calendar cops tularetom May 2015 #60

Thank YOU...for not being the "calander cop" at DU Stuart G May 2015 #61

Do you really think Democrats don't already know who Bernie Sanders is? Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #64

I don't know who was polled, but since many people can't name their own senator... arcane1 May 2015 #66

I'll bet you can ask any garden variety Democrat who Ted Cruz is, and they'll answer affirmatively. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #70

Who knows? Cruz definitely gets more attention from Stewart, Maher, etc. arcane1 May 2015 #73

Because Cruz is a clown who will say anything for media attention. Jester Messiah May 2015 #147

Would an "objective" viewer make the distinctions you just made? I think not. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #156

Devinitely not. They have heard his name but don't think of him as a candidate and JDPriestly May 2015 #100

I can't wait. Once he tries to distinguish himself between "Socialist" and "Democratic Socialist".. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #157

What do you mean? JDPriestly May 2015 #192

Yeah, but they aren't the ones who have to explain it. n/t Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #207

Of course they are the ones who have to explain it. JDPriestly May 2015 #211

Not according to Chuck Toad. Hartmann & Papantonio will have to pick up their slack. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #212

Quick corrections Recursion May 2015 #187

The top bankers have not been indicted, and they are the ones that engineered the crisis. JDPriestly May 2015 #191

Most of them? No. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #177

That appears to be the case Gothmog May 2015 #8

81% of Democrats would also "support" (definition variable) Warren....or Sanders...we are a supportive bunch. Fred Sanders May 2015 #9

I may change parties....Ben Carson is has some enticing thoughts. dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #17

You would likely be the second DUer to do so tkmorris May 2015 #62

Sadly, the first DUer to say it was not being sarcastic. nt Curmudgeoness May 2015 #194

Excellent way to handle this topic, what is wrong with people? Do we WANT to lose? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #27

We can't afford to lose, either! freshwest May 2015 #49

The trouble comes when one tries to define "winning" tkmorris May 2015 #63

NO trouble for me, the differences between Hillary and ANY con are STARK NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #185

81% of democrats know who can win the general election in 2016 and the other 19% beachbum bob May 2015 #10

Childish insults. That'll teach 'em! arcane1 May 2015 #29

I am def the 19 percent! bigwillq May 2015 #11

me too. liberal_at_heart May 2015 #15

Good post. bigwillq May 2015 #16

thank you. I have decided long ago that I will no longer just hold my nose and vote for whoever liberal_at_heart May 2015 #50

That's exactly how I am. bigwillq May 2015 #52

And I'm lucky I live in WV. There's no way Hillary will win here... a la izquierda May 2015 #75

Awesome. I am not surprised at this. leftofcool May 2015 #12

I think future polls will show similar results. 4now May 2015 #13

We do not know the future...but the shadow knows...............nt Stuart G May 2015 #48

lmfao! hrmjustin May 2015 #14

Oh you! leftofcool May 2015 #18

. hrmjustin May 2015 #19

Shouldn't there be a BS bounce? yallerdawg May 2015 #41

Here is a bounce. hrmjustin May 2015 #44

Well, then . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #20

+10 nt 99th_Monkey May 2015 #35

I welcome their smugness! BrotherIvan May 2015 #113

So name recognition is a thing early in election cycles? Maedhros May 2015 #22

Typical poll BullShirt... pfft Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #23

Well actually revealing data of the Sample Group.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #90

I SAW that poll too!! Voice for Peace May 2015 #123

Well at least your OP was meant to unify DU and not divide it! Rex May 2015 #25

MSNBC: Hillary's image takes a hit!!!! Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #26

Hillary's negatives also equaled her positives in 2008. The closer she comes to being nominated leveymg May 2015 #39

She's at 42/42 favorable/unfavorable Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #45

She's going to take the Democrats and the country down with her if she's nominated. leveymg May 2015 #139

Which is weird, because the only place I interact with Democrats.... daleanime May 2015 #30

Let's see how Hillary and Sanders fare after 1-2 televised debates. 99th_Monkey May 2015 #31

Bernie will never make it to the debates! leftofcool May 2015 #53

What makes you think that? nt 99th_Monkey May 2015 #56

Is he going to die? BrotherIvan May 2015 #115

Then Clinton wouldn't have to pretend to be a populist! frylock May 2015 #199

Hillary Clinton will drop out of 2016 race 99th_Monkey May 2015 #203

If I don't like poll results, the poll is flawed. pampango May 2015 #32

MSNBC - heehee 840high May 2015 #33

It's a NBC-WSJ Poll conducted... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #80

That poll is old, when about 81% of all Democrats thought Hillary was the only one running. leveymg May 2015 #34

New Poll: Just 25% of all voters give Hillary high marks for being honest and straightforward Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #36

Yeah, I just saw the post with over SEVEN HUNDRED votes that's going like 90% Bernie Number23 May 2015 #37

Gee, I wonder where are those ghost "high fives" came from. Hhhhmmmmm..... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #68

Now, now Tarheel. Put aside your (well deserved) cynicism Number23 May 2015 #104

They probably don't know about Bernie yet. nt valerief May 2015 #38

Don't read too much into it. Renew Deal May 2015 #43

She is not even electable - read it right here DrDan May 2015 #40

and how many of those 81% vote in the primary? Motown_Johnny May 2015 #47

Well...18 million in 2008... brooklynite May 2015 #58

are you sure that wasn't mostly the other 19%? Motown_Johnny May 2015 #127

Both Obama and Clinton got about 48% of the total vote... brooklynite May 2015 #154

She will be running against someone far more experienced Motown_Johnny May 2015 #160

Experienced in the Senate? Yes... brooklynite May 2015 #164

compared to HRC's lifetime of 2 wins Motown_Johnny May 2015 #200

There was that Presidential race as well... brooklynite May 2015 #201

Bernie Sanders isn't starting from the same place Obama did mythology May 2015 #206

LOL nt kelliekat44 May 2015 #51

Thank you. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #54

That's a significant increase BainsBane May 2015 #55

The smartest Democrats post on DU Joe Turner May 2015 #65

That sounds kind of low. Should be closer to 90% Quixote1818 May 2015 #67

More like six percent, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #78

I guess the other 19% are fucking paying attention. nt Logical May 2015 #71

I can't believe the vanity... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #76

One Could Argue That Supporting A Patron Of The Oligarchs Could Indicate Same cantbeserious May 2015 #85

It would indicate what? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #86

Answered In The OP Above cantbeserious May 2015 #88

You can't be serious if you think I am going to succumb to your obscurantism. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #89

Ridicule - A Common Technique Used When Nothing Better Is Offered cantbeserious May 2015 #91

I am merely a passenger on the ride you started... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #95

One Will Have Take The Journey To Enlightenment On Your Own cantbeserious May 2015 #98

That's a less than sportsman like declaration of surrender. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #102

No Surrender - The Best Insights Are Personal And Revelatory - Good Luck On Your Quest cantbeserious May 2015 #106

81% woo hoo! workinclasszero May 2015 #74

SOMETHING like that! elleng May 2015 #77

Although polls this early out are basically meaningles, it is good news for her supporters Dragonfli May 2015 #79

There are Climate Change deniers and then there are Hillary deniers liberal N proud May 2015 #81

81% of people are against having bed bugs. Aerows May 2015 #82

"And it doesn't mean that the people doing that survey have a clue in their head," DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #84

I don't need an expert Aerows May 2015 #96

Only Indicates That The Oligarchs Have Made Their Choice cantbeserious May 2015 #83

giggle nt fadedrose May 2015 #92

Really� this doesn't mean shit... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #94

Who developed it? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #103

It was favorable/unfavorable, of Dem primary voters. CanadaexPat May 2015 #99

Did Warren an announce yet? MyNameGoesHere May 2015 #105

The media is (a) clueless, or (b) attempting to steer public opinion. NorthCarolina May 2015 #107

I'm glad for her. PADemD May 2015 #109

Yes. I have the same feeling. applegrove May 2015 #114

So 81% of Democrats don't learn from history uncleverusername May 2015 #117

they haven't met Bernie yet? Voice for Peace May 2015 #119

And once again, people will vote against their self-interest (i.e., a FREE PONY!) Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #131

We'll see how this goes.. it's so long until the primaries are over. I know the President's Cha May 2015 #134

. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #137

Yep, we've got a lot of work to do. Marr May 2015 #144

Once certain candidates are going to have to start onecaliberal May 2015 #153

I support Hillary quaker bill May 2015 #158

81% of the people they asked. ladyVet May 2015 #166

Most folks that I know aren't Democrats. IVoteDFL May 2015 #168

Not up to LoZo standards hobbit709 May 2015 #169

Not surprising. She is a great spokesperson for our party. NCTraveler May 2015 #170

Numbers are always right and majorities are always right. mmonk May 2015 #172

Polls cost money. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #175

I just saw a poll on MSNBC that said only 25% of voters think she's honest. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #176

So they polled 100 Democrats and 81 INdemo May 2015 #180

Wait. merrily May 2015 #181

R#28 & K for bwah-HAH!1 DUzy UTUSN May 2015 #182

LOL, 28 recs. Wow, popular! nt Logical May 2015 #183

lol. yeah Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #202

LOL !!! - You Funny !!! WillyT May 2015 #204

That's 81% approval rating from Democrats, not support. AtomicKitten May 2015 #205

I can approve of Hillary, but approve more of Bernie and vote for him in the NH primary. Vinca May 2015 #208

That doesn't mean only 19% support Sanders gollygee May 2015 #209

I read it on the internets HappyMe May 2015 #210