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44. "If men could have babies, abortion would be a sacrament" - Bumper sticker I saw.

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Tue May 5, 2015, 03:47 PM

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Fox Doc Argues Men Should Have 'Veto' Power Over Women's Abortions [View all] Capt. Obvious May 2015 OP

So what happens... jmowreader May 2015 #1

One of so many scenarios where this could go wrong! vankuria May 2015 #260

You know what would happen next jmowreader May 2015 #288

When men face the possibility of death for childbirth, then they get a say riderinthestorm May 2015 #2

Yep! Totally. When men can get pregnant, they can tell me ALL about it. calimary May 2015 #248

+1 hamsterjill May 2015 #254

Ablow is a nut case and should have his license pulled Gothmog May 2015 #3

That guy needs to get fucked sideways with a chainsaw. PeaceNikki May 2015 #4

I agree and disagree newmexicodem May 2015 #5

Men can't get pregnant so it's fair enough to them treestar May 2015 #7

But the risks associated with pregnancy are 100% women's mythology May 2015 #8

Women can die in childbirth. That means they get to decide 100% riderinthestorm May 2015 #9

Then the father can find a woman who WANTS to have a kid CharlotteVale May 2015 #10

Uh - no leftynyc May 2015 #12

agree 100% crazylikafox May 2015 #83

I don't see that as a militant position at all. Jamastiene May 2015 #88

"Men don't have to do anything but the fun part" AgingAmerican May 2015 #241

Men can choose whether to take part in raising the kid. Jamastiene May 2015 #242

If a man 'chooses' not to take part AgingAmerican May 2015 #246

Yea and there's alot of them out there vankuria May 2015 #262

There are an awful lot of them who do just that. Jamastiene May 2015 #280

It's the NATURAL thing to do AgingAmerican May 2015 #281

AMEN! nruthie May 2015 #199

+1000 smirkymonkey May 2015 #201

So you think a judge should have the power to control a woman's body, including geek tragedy May 2015 #15

He's been here since 2009... Hekate May 2015 #149

What's scary is that this isn't the most repulsive piece of MRA dog feces geek tragedy May 2015 #152

I think you made a wrong turn. demmiblue May 2015 #18

It's 100% in a woman's body gollygee May 2015 #19

Jury results (verdict: perfectly fine to advocate treating women's bodies as property of men) geek tragedy May 2015 #22

Wow... that is just jaw dropping. demmiblue May 2015 #24

edited to add. Several MRAs on the jury. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #25

Yes, indeed there were. demmiblue May 2015 #27

That's disturbing. If this post isn't considered hideworthy - CharlotteVale May 2015 #26

Alerter has a biased and hateful agenda? gollygee May 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy May 2015 #31

The MRAs view everything upside down. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #34

that one really blew me away too. BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #184

More likely they wanted everyone to have a turn tearing him a new one. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #35

At least two indicated agreement. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #38

Which two comments are you seeing that? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #45

the anger and hostility towards someone objecting to male supremacism was startling geek tragedy May 2015 #47

They say the alerter overreacted. That's not agreeing. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #51

They did not say overreact, they said stuff like it was "biased and hateful" to geek tragedy May 2015 #56

LOL! No, the one said the alerter should grow a spine.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #80

I get it. Some people think that misogyny and arguing against women's civil rights geek tragedy May 2015 #84

Do you believe this place should be an oasis? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #89

Yes. There should be at least one progressive discussion board on the internet geek tragedy May 2015 #90

Some of these people aren't "bigots and wingnuts"... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #104

yes. our MRA dems. we recognize them. nt seabeyond May 2015 #106

Misogyny is bigotry, and advocating sexism makes a person a sexist. geek tragedy May 2015 #110

kinda like, a gay once patted me on the ass, so homophobia is ok. or a black person seabeyond May 2015 #116

no one's immune from having racist/misogynist etc thoughts geek tragedy May 2015 #120

Attacking someone is not the best way to get them to take up the cause.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #167

not "nice enough" to be rewarded with pro choice support? nt seabeyond May 2015 #168

Probably because I didn't look for problems that aren't there. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #174

Men who think women's bodies are their property are not persuadeables geek tragedy May 2015 #171

Which is why many of them vote Republican. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #175

They vote Republican because they're sexist assholes who fit in with that geek tragedy May 2015 #176

Nobody said it was. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #177

Anyone who says gay marriage should be illegal gets the boot here. Arugula Latte May 2015 #258

IF that's what they are. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #259

I have to stand by the Jury... brooklynite May 2015 #39

So, stating that men have a property interest in a woman's body is not offensive? geek tragedy May 2015 #40

Offensive? Perhaps. Who said you had the right not to be offended? brooklynite May 2015 #42

So, Holocaust denial should be ok here? geek tragedy May 2015 #43

Swinging for the fences, I see... brooklynite May 2015 #48

Point 1: You're stating a falsehood, several of the comments were outraged geek tragedy May 2015 #50

there is absolutely NOTHING "reasonable" about proudly proclaiming that MEN have a right to niyad May 2015 #105

Could you point out the words that "proudly" proclaim that? brooklynite May 2015 #121

so it's okay to advocate male supremacism so long as it's done humbly? geek tragedy May 2015 #127

How precisely do you measure a valid analogy as "swinging at the fences?" LanternWaste May 2015 #129

It wasn't rude treestar May 2015 #165

A woman's right to choose is clearly defined in our Democratic Party Platform and objections to it PeaceNikki May 2015 #169

this is way, way worse than the normal anti-choice stuff. geek tragedy May 2015 #179

Solid point. PeaceNikki May 2015 #180

No shit ... this is SICK! etherealtruth May 2015 #182

anti choice on a democractic progressive board should be TOS. seabeyond May 2015 #53

advocating both forced birth and forced abortion. geek tragedy May 2015 #57

yes. it's in the Democratic Platform. PeaceNikki May 2015 #61

That would be Skinner's decision, rather than yours or mine... brooklynite May 2015 #62

but, your opinion is that sexism, misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia geek tragedy May 2015 #70

To be fair - DURHAM D May 2015 #82

Well, that's been honored in the breach. geek tragedy May 2015 #85

The TOS does not clearly cover sexism. DURHAM D May 2015 #91

I'm aware of that failing, but seeing as how the TOS has been effectively revoked geek tragedy May 2015 #93

Yes it does... one_voice May 2015 #102

Perhaps you missed my other commentss. DURHAM D May 2015 #115

Ah, no I saw them, I misunderstood... one_voice May 2015 #125

I wasn't aware of this, zero tolerance for racism, transphobia and homphobia? That doesn't... Humanist_Activist May 2015 #240

Why isn't it? Is this a Democratic party affiliated board or not? CharlotteVale May 2015 #64

Ask the guys who own the place. nt DURHAM D May 2015 #73

hosts are constantly locking what they deem meta, with women issues. i would like a list of hosts. seabeyond May 2015 #63

That was a bad, bad lock...nt SidDithers May 2015 #66

i have seen it too many times not to be obvious and hosts names are connected seabeyond May 2015 #67

MRA talking points claim a win. nt seabeyond May 2015 #69

Yep. Laffy Kat May 2015 #143

Yes it was. PeaceNikki May 2015 #101

Yep. nt DURHAM D May 2015 #76

i would like a list of hosts. one_voice May 2015 #107

"maintain a 100% chance of serving on a jury." star, no hides, no posting on OPs. no blocking people seabeyond May 2015 #114

Yes...no hides... one_voice May 2015 #118

What? gollygee May 2015 #124

it stated you had to be at a 100% to serve jury. at zero of serving seabeyond May 2015 #130

Had I been on that jury, enlightenment May 2015 #131

I guess the question is where does the line get drawn, where advocacy is per se trolling geek tragedy May 2015 #133

That's a good question. enlightenment May 2015 #142

Thanks for the very thoughtful reply. geek tragedy May 2015 #144

Thank you for the brief conversation! enlightenment May 2015 #148

I've been anything but brief in this thread. geek tragedy May 2015 #150

True . . . enlightenment May 2015 #153

except you are saying MRA talking points fine on du. is KKK talking points? rw talking points? nt seabeyond May 2015 #161

No, seabeyond, enlightenment May 2015 #188

what a cop out. that is pure MRA talking point. why are they allowed on du for discussion, not KKK seabeyond May 2015 #189

Okay (the cat is where I thought he was enlightenment May 2015 #192

a pass. not hidden. so we allow KKK and rw talking points get a pass. not hidden, too? seabeyond May 2015 #198

Respectfully, that is giving them a pass. kcr May 2015 #213

That is giving them a pass. And yes- his opinions are equally sick and disturbing as anything the KK bettyellen May 2015 #265

When will people get that it is never polite or reasonable boston bean May 2015 #185

as long as it needs to be said, we'll have to be here saying it. geek tragedy May 2015 #186

sorry, but it was, in fact, hate speech--hatred against women's autonomy and control niyad May 2015 #141

I don't agree enlightenment May 2015 #147

Fuck having to "do a fine job"'responding to the idea women are chattel. bettyellen May 2015 #273

Who the hell ARE these people? I hope they're proud enough to tell us who they are. Hekate May 2015 #146

I would imagine we have a pretty good idea who at least some of them are. niyad May 2015 #166

astounding and sickening etherealtruth May 2015 #155

why do jurors write insulting remarks? Shame on those who do. uppityperson May 2015 #191

another example awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #194

Please alert on that jurist. Sick stuff! bettyellen May 2015 #200

this means, you are anti choice. on du. seabeyond May 2015 #49

Her body, his choice. But that is not offensive or over the top. geek tragedy May 2015 #52

As you know that is no big deal here. DURHAM D May 2015 #68

Here is my answer - DURHAM D May 2015 #54

"A child is 50% sperm and 50% egg." Starry Messenger May 2015 #65

I really hope this gets answered by the OP KMOD May 2015 #81

no way. it is her body Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #94

Barring abuse Kelvin Mace May 2015 #96

And we do. The title in your reply is specifically why we should never ever be compelled to. PeaceNikki May 2015 #135

Agreed, Kelvin Mace May 2015 #139

Parental notification laws are awful for the same reason. PeaceNikki May 2015 #140

Oh that's adorable REP May 2015 #97

BECAUSE IT IS NOT HIS BODY AT RISK!!! he is not going to risk gestational diabetes, stroke, niyad May 2015 #100

it's been my experience that men are usually involved in the decision notadmblnd May 2015 #123

It may be ohheckyeah May 2015 #151

Are you SURE you're on the right board? hifiguy May 2015 #170

well i disagree 1000% with you. spanone May 2015 #183

Absolutely, 100% awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #193

you are wrong with a lot of that uppityperson May 2015 #195

I agree with you. craigmatic May 2015 #205

Pregnancy changes a woman's body. Forever. Ilsa May 2015 #217

By the time the judge gets to the final decision nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #218

100% dependent on the woman's body, 0% involved with the father's body. MH1 May 2015 #231

Childbirth is 100% labor by the mother eridani May 2015 #239

So, you advocate Bettie May 2015 #249

Yeah, grow a uterus and then get back to us. Arugula Latte May 2015 #255

Judge deciding? vankuria May 2015 #261

A judge should decide? vankuria May 2015 #264

Men have breast milk? treestar May 2015 #6

Couldn't help but think of this... one_voice May 2015 #46

LOL treestar May 2015 #136

Ex-DUer bicentennial_baby used to have to serve him KamaAina May 2015 #11

Dude should wear a sign around his neck, reading: MineralMan May 2015 #13

So should at least one participant in this discussion. See above, and below nt geek tragedy May 2015 #30

Works for me Hekate May 2015 #154

Actually, men already have that power, in most cases Trillo May 2015 #14

Vasectomy is favorite for me. Then the guy with the attitude can keep all his little swimmers... Hekate May 2015 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author newmexicodem May 2015 #16

go back to your MRA cave frylock May 2015 #17

If you'd rather not donate sperm, simply ensure it by avoiding sex. LanternWaste May 2015 #20

A woman gets 100% choice over the pregnancy because she's the one who is pregnant gollygee May 2015 #21

If you are unwilling to be a father... MadrasT May 2015 #23

Your misogyny is showing, and it is as ugly as it is hateful and irrational. geek tragedy May 2015 #28

I'll just stick this here, if anyone is curious: demmiblue May 2015 #36

gotta love the men who think they deserve to be paid for ejaculating. geek tragedy May 2015 #41

textbook MRA argement. no control over woman, dont have to pay child support. nt seabeyond May 2015 #58

Polyandry? Trillo May 2015 #145

accusing mothers of spending child support money on themselves treestar May 2015 #187

if i understand your post properly, you admit being an irresponsible sperm donor. unblock May 2015 #32

So how is this guy still a doctor? Initech May 2015 #33

Dr. "I-blow" may... 3catwoman3 May 2015 #37

"If men could have babies, abortion would be a sacrament" - Bumper sticker I saw. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #44

from the incredible, amazing, florynce kennedy. niyad May 2015 #112

And available 24 hrs a day on... one_voice May 2015 #113

And right next to the drive-thru ammo shop/liquor store. hifiguy May 2015 #173

If he wants that men be able to make reproductive choices for women, then he'd better agree MADem May 2015 #55

There's no good answers on the issue. craigmatic May 2015 #59

There most certainly is a good answer. CharlotteVale May 2015 #71

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. It's the woman's choice. MineralMan May 2015 #72

So 1 person should have 100% sole decision making authority over whether 2 people have a child? craigmatic May 2015 #203

Yes. PeaceNikki May 2015 #207

Women don't just 'generally' have the right to do what they want with their own bodies ... polly7 May 2015 #210

If what you were saying was 100% true then they wouldn't have drug possession laws. craigmatic May 2015 #212

Pardon? polly7 May 2015 #214

I think we've got ourselves a libertarian. PeaceNikki May 2015 #216

I think if he wants a child so bad that he would force a woman to carry one to term polly7 May 2015 #219

I have no doubt that is only one of many "red flags" about that dude. PeaceNikki May 2015 #220

Probably true! I'm very glad most men don't believe the same things. nt. polly7 May 2015 #221

Wow strawman much? craigmatic May 2015 #233

No, not at all. nt. polly7 May 2015 #235

I don't belive in the free market enough to be libertarian and on this issue the craigmatic May 2015 #229

Not true. Libraterians are total misogynists. PeaceNikki May 2015 #230

My point was that there is no such thing as total freedom. There are laws and limits on things you craigmatic May 2015 #224

A woman is breaking no law by controlling what happens with her own body. polly7 May 2015 #226

But, but, but HIS SPERM IS IN THERE!!!!!111! PeaceNikki May 2015 #227

LOL. That is what it seems to be what it's all about. nt. polly7 May 2015 #228

Not "generally." Always. MineralMan May 2015 #243

How about she has an abortion and sends you the tissue in a box? PassingFair May 2015 #247

cool we can make soup. I'm glad you know your slogans that helps craigmatic May 2015 #251

It's not fair a woman risks her life to bear the baby.... bettyellen May 2015 #266

He does. At that moment when he decides to take off his pants. There's his shot at making ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #268

so you are anti choice, also? you cannot say you are pro choice, when your words say anti choice. seabeyond May 2015 #74

Sure you can you can e pro-choice and still go back and re-examine the issue. That's all I'm doing craigmatic May 2015 #250

no. not true. nt seabeyond May 2015 #252

You are re-examining whether women are autonomous beings with equal rights ....? etherealtruth May 2015 #263

It's "boring" to decisively conclude women should control their own bodies?? WTF dude? Shitty bettyellen May 2015 #267

Alert results: 99Forever May 2015 #270

It's perfect right for a woman to have an abortion gollygee May 2015 #75

Oh, ffs.... Your post is filled with RW and MRA rhetoric. Are you on the correct site? PeaceNikki May 2015 #77

Jury kept this one too. 3-4. geek tragedy May 2015 #86

Could you be any more rightwing and misogynist? geek tragedy May 2015 #79

Yeah. He did actually seem to imply that a woman should be forced to abort. alphafemale May 2015 #196

Actually I meant the man would get to sign away his rights and not have to support it. craigmatic May 2015 #202

How about you only have sex with people with your 1959 mindset? alphafemale May 2015 #204

Really 1959 mindset just because I don't automatically assume one person should make life choices craigmatic May 2015 #206

Women generally do discuss with their partners, they just shouldn't be legally compelled to. PeaceNikki May 2015 #208

I never called anybody a monster. I just said more conversation was needed. craigmatic May 2015 #211

Women generally do discuss with their partners, they just shouldn't be legally compelled to. PeaceNikki May 2015 #215

If they don't involve their partners, it's usually for good reason. You don't think there's anything craigmatic May 2015 #222

The only 'reason' needs to be, the woman does not choose to carry a child to term. Period. polly7 May 2015 #223

No, I don't. And it's sick that you do. PeaceNikki May 2015 #225

Ok don't fuck people you don't trust good advice. craigmatic May 2015 #232

Then I revert back to: tough shit. PeaceNikki May 2015 #234

I care about EVERYBODY concerned and you refuse to accept nuance. craigmatic May 2015 #236

No, you really don't. I think you think you so, but you don't. PeaceNikki May 2015 #237

In case you need evidence: PeaceNikki May 2015 #238

You don't care about the kid. You flat out don't, since your position is that men should geek tragedy May 2015 #245

Both should make a decision? Mariana May 2015 #253

I think there some form of mediation for it not necessarily a lawsuit or a law but something. craigmatic May 2015 #257

So you think a third party should have the final say? Mariana May 2015 #274

yes what I said goes for both scenarios. craigmatic May 2015 #275

I have a better idea. Mariana May 2015 #276

Women DO overwhelmingly do this already. Women are not monsters. PeaceNikki May 2015 #282

He wants to make it mandatory. Mariana May 2015 #286

I know. It's fucking horrifying. PeaceNikki May 2015 #287

Your squirt of giz is not equal to a body alphafemale May 2015 #209

Then discuss it before you jump in bed with someone and have unprotected sex NickB79 May 2015 #271

So the born child's welfare is less important to you than allowing men to be free geek tragedy May 2015 #244

I'm no MRA. They blame feminism and the matriarchy. I realize all of the laws were written by men. craigmatic May 2015 #277

You are still thinking of the man's interests as geek tragedy May 2015 #278

the system sucks- there's kids in abusive situations that don't get taken out. craigmatic May 2015 #279

Yes you are MRA. LeftOfWest May 2015 #283

I'm not backing away from my own opinions just because they're unpopular here. craigmatic May 2015 #285

A woman is not an interchangeable Lego part for your dick...she could die in childbirth. Lars39 May 2015 #87

That is quite a turn of phrase! +1 demmiblue May 2015 #92

OMG, love it: "A woman is not an interchangeable Lego part for your dick" PeaceNikki May 2015 #95

Clearly you don't understand what "pro-choice" means. arcane1 May 2015 #99

Sure there is. REP May 2015 #103

You left one out-- Starry Messenger May 2015 #108

ok craig, try this out next time you're in a relationship KMOD May 2015 #111

HER BODY, HER CHOICE, PERIOD. niyad May 2015 #117

not all. he may have had a messy divorce or two. so allowed to be misogynist. (another poster seabeyond May 2015 #122

oh dear goddess, I missed that one!! niyad May 2015 #126

The "good answer" is for people to worry about the one body attached to their neck Warren DeMontague May 2015 #119

Oh yes there is--and it's a simple one. Not YOUR uterus? Not YOUR business. MADem May 2015 #181

This kind of imbecility makes one ponder deeply hifiguy May 2015 #60

The solution is simple: Feron May 2015 #78

Would be nice if everyone stopped watching Faux News LittleBlue May 2015 #98

The decision-making power over the pregnancy belongs with the person whose body is pregnant Warren DeMontague May 2015 #109

+1 nt geek tragedy May 2015 #128

what warren said restorefreedom May 2015 #132

rAmen to that, Warren. hifiguy May 2015 #134

Exactly, Warren!! PeaceNikki May 2015 #137

so keith, if dad decides he doesn't want the kid, he can veto bringing the pregnancy to term spanone May 2015 #138

When a woman can force any man to be snipped. One_Life_To_Give May 2015 #156

I don't want that control over men and I don't want them to have control over me. PeaceNikki May 2015 #160

more MRA? are you talking a baby, not a man, with circumcision? what women are seabeyond May 2015 #164

the risks associated with pregnancy hugely outweigh the risks associated with a vasectomy uppityperson May 2015 #197

Imagine that ... right wing nut job doesn't view women as EQUAL autonomous beings etherealtruth May 2015 #158

Sadly, that rightwing nutjob has people agreeing with him in this thread. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #159

I saw that etherealtruth May 2015 #162

Yeah Keith, what if the woman wants the baby and the man doesn't because he's a cheap bastard? Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #163

This thread is infested with newbie trolls. JaneyVee May 2015 #172

Creepy assholes hate abortion. LeftOfWest May 2015 #284

Self-defense doesn't require approval from a sexually intimate partner. HereSince1628 May 2015 #178

pure evil! m-lekktor May 2015 #190

I should have veto power over whether this guy gets to keep his genitals. Arugula Latte May 2015 #256

I'm all for this... ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #269

What a sexist pig. bobjacksonk2832 May 2015 #272