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Adrahil

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3. Yeah... NO.

Wed May 6, 2015, 09:13 AM

May 2015

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"If Sanders had his heart set on national politics, he could have run for president like Ralph Nader as an independent, opposing both capitalist parties, the Democrats and Republicans. He would have been appealing for a protest vote, rather than any real chance to win, but Sanders rejected this possibility out of hand for a different reason. "No matter what I do," Sanders said in January, "I will not be a spoiler. I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as president of the United States."

In other words, Sanders refused to consider an independent presidential campaign not because he had little chance of winning, but because he didn't want to compete for vote with the Democrats' eventual nominee. "

Apparently Ms. Smith wants a replay of 2000, where the "protest vote" would put another right wing nut job in the White House.

Fuck. That. I've seen this movie. It resulting in 2 wars, over a million people dead, a couple trillion dollars spent, and collapsed economy.

All for a protest vote. WTF is wrong with people like her!?

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"The Problem with Bernie Sanders," by Ashley Smith [View all] Koinos May 2015 OP

Has this person considered what not running as a Democrat might mean for the workers? mmonk May 2015 #1

I read it this morning. incredibly moronic. cali May 2015 #2

Yeah... NO. Adrahil May 2015 #3

The author wants Bernie to start a third party and not get involved in Democratic politics./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #4

Well, that would certainly "divide and conquer." calimary May 2015 #26

An interesting POV but it along with other posts in support of him dance around the real issue stevenleser May 2015 #5

I haven't seen ANY candidates espousing these views at local or state level. octoberlib May 2015 #7

Everywhere I've lived, Colorado Springs, Tampa, St. Pete, NYC, Los Angeles we've had stevenleser May 2015 #29

How many people even know about most races in their own area? YoungDemCA May 2015 #47

That's the responsibility of the candidate. State legislature race candidates can beat the pavement stevenleser May 2015 #49

+100 nt okaawhatever May 2015 #12

Meanwhile... 99Forever May 2015 #14

Agreed. I suspect that on his trips around the country he was testing the waters of running both jwirr May 2015 #35

yes this came through my facebook newsfeed yesterday. m-lekktor May 2015 #6

I met a member who was handing out newspapers at the North Hollywood Station DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #9

yup. we have to work with the system we have m-lekktor May 2015 #21

Probably because Bernie considers himself a Democratic Socialist, so he may not pass the okaawhatever May 2015 #13

that's it exactly, imo.nt m-lekktor May 2015 #16

^ exactly this ^ Hiraeth May 2015 #18

I don't like labels just for that reason... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #25

let me add, they might overlook his "impurities" m-lekktor May 2015 #28

I have a few like that on my list too. Starry Messenger May 2015 #15

I have a few that won't support anybody that runs as a Democrat. m-lekktor May 2015 #19

I think the country has to be a lot hungrier before they will vote pure socialism. But Bernie is jwirr May 2015 #36

For some, I think any excuse to not participate in elections Starry Messenger May 2015 #37

Probably b/c Sanders is a SINO (Socialist in Name Only) who ultimately believes that KingCharlemagne May 2015 #17

Right ~ she is not so off-base in her analysis TBF May 2015 #46

Governor of Vermont Koinos May 2015 #8

so much bullshit. cali May 2015 #23

Just One Article about Shumlin Koinos May 2015 #27

uh, I don't like shumlin, but the SW piece was filled with LIES cali May 2015 #33

Errors? Koinos May 2015 #38

She's right, it will help Hillary Clinton. And that's a good thing. DanTex May 2015 #10

exactly SteveG May 2015 #22

This statement isn't true: okaawhatever May 2015 #24

You're right. DanTex May 2015 #32

I agree. Bernie will fire up the race, Hillary will get all the benefit. JaneyVee May 2015 #11

They haven't even fired the starting pistol and already you're KingCharlemagne May 2015 #20

lol, Hillary's fans called this race for her before she'd even finished losing the last one. /nt Marr May 2015 #44

Bernie will bring a good and credible voice to left-wing policies even if he loses the Primary. stillwaiting May 2015 #30

And it would not be the first time that a losing candidate's ideas changed the direction of the jwirr May 2015 #40

That's my takeaway too. procon May 2015 #31

Tad Devine Koinos May 2015 #34

please Bernie stay away from Devine olddots May 2015 #39

What do you find troublesome about Devine? Koinos May 2015 #41

The author doesn't like him because he's a insider... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #42

Has Devine managed a winning campaign? Is that the issue? Koinos May 2015 #43

Sad to think of Bernie as "bait for the hook". nt daredtowork May 2015 #45

I am convinced that Bernie does not believe or realize that he is being used. Koinos May 2015 #48

Bernie Sanders and Tad Devine Koinos May 2015 #50