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12. Mossedegh probably believed in democratic ideals.

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Wed May 6, 2015, 10:44 AM

May 2015

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Is this the relationship islam wants with democratic nations founded on enlightenment ideals? [View all] RadiationTherapy May 2015 OP

"What about...those who believe that ethical life is possible without religion? RadiationTherapy May 2015 #1

superstition and myth do not like to be examined or questioned nt msongs May 2015 #2

Well, they will have a hell of a time in nations that value free speech, free expression, satire, RadiationTherapy May 2015 #6

When you engage in illegal wars and occupations malaise May 2015 #3

I believe I and anyone else leftynyc May 2015 #4

Centuries of free speech and free expression - hard fought for and hard defended - RadiationTherapy May 2015 #7

Me too leftynyc May 2015 #8

I'm flattered you like my word-slaw. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #11

I second your stand. hifiguy May 2015 #24

Thank you for your supportive comment. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #57

Thanks for the link to the poll of global Muslim attitudes. Some good along with the bad. pampango May 2015 #9

Why didnt you include this little tidbit NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #29

You think that helps leftynyc May 2015 #44

I named the enlightenment ideals that I was referring to. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #5

people need to understand that "free speech" is over. It's a terrible idea. There is no need to say Warren DeMontague May 2015 #10

I would hate to see the principles of satire, sarcasm, irony, mockery, and absurdity - so well RadiationTherapy May 2015 #14

Checked all the boxes... Oktober May 2015 #15

The Holmes example was "FALSELY yelling fire in a crowded theater." hifiguy May 2015 #25

It's amazing that the 'fighting words' crowd does not see Christian preachers like Phelps as being Bluenorthwest May 2015 #17

I don't think there is a single member of the "fighting words" crowd who did not see Phelps as ... ieoeja May 2015 #19

And yet in reality, Phelps and Co did hundreds of attacks on LGBT funerals and other events without Bluenorthwest May 2015 #52

Assault is a law if you swing and miss. AngryAmish May 2015 #59

And boom goes the dynamite... SidDithers May 2015 #18

Mossedegh probably believed in democratic ideals. Starry Messenger May 2015 #12

I am not familiar with this name or the story behind it. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #20

He nationalized Iranian oil resources. hifiguy May 2015 #27

I don't think that worked out well, no. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #47

It's a story that makes the idea that the US embodies enlightenment ideals kind of a joke. Starry Messenger May 2015 #34

Thank you. That is interesting and worthwhile information. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #46

Most people with an astute grasp of history understand that the CIA overthrowing Mossadegh was a Warren DeMontague May 2015 #36

Never said it did, Warren. Starry Messenger May 2015 #37

Certainly one can trace a lot of problems back to that supremely bad decision. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #41

Yes, excellent book. Starry Messenger May 2015 #48

Nobody was better at smacking down religious fundamentalists sufrommich May 2015 #13

Only when it's someone we don't approve of doing it seveneyes May 2015 #16

"Islam wants"? H2O Man May 2015 #21

Yes. "Islam wants" RadiationTherapy May 2015 #22

Ask him/her. H2O Man May 2015 #23

I have rhetorically inquired the 1000 million self-identifying muslims in general. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #40

When did it ask? jberryhill May 2015 #54

I am asking is this is what the 1000s of millions of people who identify as Muslim RadiationTherapy May 2015 #58

What Do People Named "Bob" Think? jberryhill May 2015 #60

No. Does everyone who calls themselves Bob believe in a single infallible book RadiationTherapy May 2015 #61

Not every self-identified Muslim does either jberryhill May 2015 #62

Cool. I wish the reformist movement the best. I hope it is as painless as can be. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #63

Perhaps you have failed to notice jberryhill May 2015 #65

Who do you presume you are speaking to, with this OP? Scootaloo May 2015 #26

Islam is not a person. Different Muslims want different things. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #28

As well as an awful lot of christians want to discriminate against gays and minorities, hell NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #30

Some far more so than others. Donald Ian Rankin May 2015 #32

The question is whether this enlightenment will be achieved through a relationship or isolation. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #31

"islam wants"? 0rganism May 2015 #33

It's their label, not mine. It's not my problem. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #38

Why? jberryhill May 2015 #53

I don't expect to hear apologies from atheists for Stalin or Pol Pot. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #56

Which Islam? Sufi? Shia? Sunni? Maedhros May 2015 #35

I don't know. Is that like catholic and protestant RadiationTherapy May 2015 #39

When one is ignorant of the subject, one should refrain from pontificating on it.[n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #42

+1 a la izquierda May 2015 #43

Do you think the subject is the history of denominational divergences in the RadiationTherapy May 2015 #45

Look - you're self-admittedly ignorant of even the most basic details of Islam, Maedhros May 2015 #49

I am comfortable enough with what I know to inquire via a post on DU. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #50

Yes - the fact that you are comfortable with your ignorance is the primary problem. Maedhros May 2015 #51

I definitely seem to belong on your ignore list. RadiationTherapy May 2015 #55

"for fear of retribution and feigned 'righteous anger?'" Buzz Clik May 2015 #64