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24. What I want to know and the author doesn't say is had there ever been

Wed May 6, 2015, 11:10 AM

May 2015

a successful law suit against a gun manufacturer or dealer for manufacturing or selling a legal firearm BEFORE that legislation (the PLCAA) passed? And can't many firearms be used for mass murder? I don't get the comparison to a car with faulty brakes. If a gun manufacturer makes a faulty product, that manufacturer can be sued.

I'm not supporting the PLCAA or Bernie's vote on it. Although gun control is not an overwhelming issue to me for many reasons, I think that vote was wrong.

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Bernie Sanders voted for the most reprehensible pro-gun legislation in recent memory. [View all] JaneyVee May 2015 OP

I heard he was moderately pro-gun, but didn't realize he was this far right on the issue. DanTex May 2015 #1

The original Brady Act also mandated a national five-day waiting period for handguns derby378 May 2015 #57

Almost as bad as voting for an illegal war! Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #101

Except that it doesn't shield the man. for lawsuits for a defective product, GGJohn May 2015 #121

Obviously, you stand behind the NRA and the gun manufacturers no matter what. DanTex May 2015 #122

And obviously you've been corrected numerous times on the PLCAA, GGJohn May 2015 #124

I know exactly what it means. You've been watching too much FOX, DanTex May 2015 #127

Yeah, go with the insults, it elevates your debate so effectively. GGJohn May 2015 #130

I wasn't looking for a gun nut debate. If I was, I'd be in the gungeon or on FreeRepublic... DanTex May 2015 #133

Can't or won't answer the question? GGJohn May 2015 #136

Shielding gun manufacturers from liability suits ... MicaelS May 2015 #129

Hey, the whole NRA contingent is here! DanTex May 2015 #132

Instead of baseless accusations, GGJohn May 2015 #139

So calling NRA members NRA members is now "baseless"? LOL. DanTex May 2015 #144

I don't belong to the NRA, never have, never will, GGJohn May 2015 #147

Really? You had me fooled. DanTex May 2015 #148

Well, that doesn't surprise me. GGJohn May 2015 #150

They know you're correct about what the law does and is intended to do. beevul May 2015 #159

Yup, GGJohn May 2015 #161

Somebody has a well thought out, reasonable post Travis_0004 May 2015 #165

Don't expect to agree with Bernie on everything.... daleanime May 2015 #2

x 2 Omaha Steve May 2015 #46

He's acting in the interest of his constituents OKNancy May 2015 #3

I agree. Representing constituents should be #1 priority. JaneyVee May 2015 #11

Sure, but when dealing with reasonable legislation such as the Brady still_one May 2015 #32

Neither "reasonable" nor effective: Millions sold while in "effect" Eleanors38 May 2015 #79

It instituted federal background checks on firearm purchasers in the United States. What is NOT still_one May 2015 #80

I believe he was referring to the AWB portion of that legislative session. N/T beevul May 2015 #84

I thought that was separate, and not part of the Brady Bill proper still_one May 2015 #89

I was speaking of the AWB. UBCs I support as long as government doesn't register. Eleanors38 May 2015 #96

Someone just made that clarification to me in the subthread. Thanks for the clarification still_one May 2015 #98

My mistake in not so noting. Eleanors38 May 2015 #106

A mark against him on one important issue. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #4

Not enough to make any other candidate look better. djean111 May 2015 #5

LOL. He's evolved, Janey. cali May 2015 #6

Yeah, his gun policies might work in Vermont, but they are a disaster nationwide. DanTex May 2015 #8

You mean like working toward narrowing income inequality? Supporting a $15 min wage? cali May 2015 #15

I have decided about Bernie. I support most of his policies, but he can't win. DanTex May 2015 #21

+1. Vermont's roughly 95% white demographics explains his votes on gunz. Hoyt May 2015 #59

What are white Vermont gun owners scared of? nt hack89 May 2015 #70

Minorities escaping from New York for one. I remember you Gungeon folks having a big Hoyt May 2015 #73

Because all gun owners are racists. I forgot. nt hack89 May 2015 #74

Its a statement by your interlocutor about the voters of vermont, Hack. beevul May 2015 #83

Why do people think that there are droves of boogey men out there just waiting to steal stuff? notadmblnd May 2015 #108

Feel the same way. Gunz are high up on the list for gun fanciers. Hoyt May 2015 #110

mockery. unlike most Hillary supporters cali May 2015 #62

I don't want to attack him, I love Bernie. Besides... JaneyVee May 2015 #17

You don't want to attack him.... bwahahaha Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #103

The post is only unflattering if the reader is anti-gun. Renew Deal May 2015 #154

Evolved?? In 2005 he voted with the NRA and Rethugs to help pass the PLCAA. DCBob May 2015 #58

Hasn't "denounced" that vote, nor should he. That proposed law has a pitiful precedent Eleanors38 May 2015 #81

He should if he wants to be the Dem nominee for POTUS. DCBob May 2015 #114

The Dem nominee should be on record as supporting lawsuits... beevul May 2015 #115

I think you are confused... DCBob May 2015 #116

If the poster isn't right then correct them. That is also my understanding of the proposal. TheKentuckian May 2015 #118

If the OP isnt right then you correct it. DCBob May 2015 #120

The poster is right and you were corrected. GGJohn May 2015 #123

Gun manufacturers should be held accountable. DCBob May 2015 #131

They should be held liable for the criminal misuse of their products? GGJohn May 2015 #138

As I said gun manufacturers should be held to a higher standard. DCBob May 2015 #143

They are held to a higher standard, govt regs are pretty strict concerning firearms. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #149

Clearly not high enough. DCBob May 2015 #151

Bullshit!!! GGJohn May 2015 #155

Get lost. Not interested in your warped opinions. DCBob May 2015 #156

The last gasp of defeat. GGJohn May 2015 #158

Are you supposed to be Francis or Pee Wee? Probably few worries that I'll speak my piece. TheKentuckian May 2015 #160

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #162

Jury results. GGJohn May 2015 #167

Agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #119

... 99Forever May 2015 #7

Yawn. What you said. GoneFishin May 2015 #55

Link to his votes on gun issues from votesmart. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #9

This would not be the only issue i have with Bernie, but this one does not give me a reason Thinkingabout May 2015 #10

Of course, you said you oppose all of his positions, which would include this one. morningfog May 2015 #16

Sure did, glad you remembered. Thinkingabout May 2015 #18

I heard he eats babies. zappaman May 2015 #12

LOL! Segami May 2015 #19

That's why his hair is so wild. Baby souls. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #134

So, does he fail sarisataka May 2015 #13

Wait why should gun manufacturers be sued for gun deaths? Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #14

I welcome you and your NRA talking points to Democratic Underground. onehandle May 2015 #20

The purpose of a gun is to kill. So why sue a gun maker for making a product that works correctly? Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #30

I think you are right. I do have a problem with those who oppose the Brady Bill and still_one May 2015 #35

Bernie gets an 'F' rating from the NRA AgingAmerican May 2015 #36

The question is why should gun manufacturers get special protection against liability lawsuits. DanTex May 2015 #23

It was because the gun control movement overplayed their hand hack89 May 2015 #29

I was wonder how long it would take for the NRA to show up. DanTex May 2015 #33

The gun control movement shot themselves in the foot once again hack89 May 2015 #37

Yes, I understand that you always side with the powers that be on every issue. DanTex May 2015 #43

Bernie did what his constituents wanted him to do. hack89 May 2015 #49

Like every other politician. Which is my point. He's not above politics or special interests. DanTex May 2015 #54

Of course he is no different from any other politician. nt hack89 May 2015 #56

Question Unvanguard May 2015 #48

It is hard to imagine what such conduct would look like hack89 May 2015 #53

You can't argue coherently, you can only label. nt Eleanors38 May 2015 #82

What special protection? You can't sue Ford if a drunk driver hits you in an F150. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #135

I support business getting "special treatment" if the Courts.. MicaelS May 2015 #137

Of course you do! DanTex May 2015 #145

What I want to know and the author doesn't say is had there ever been cali May 2015 #24

I think it was mostly a pre-emptive action. DanTex May 2015 #40

that makes sense cali May 2015 #63

PDF 0472115103-intro.PDF. "INTRODUCTION: An Overview of Lawsuits against the Gun Industry" Eleanors38 May 2015 #94

Mostly for negligently letting them fall in the hands of criminals. Unvanguard May 2015 #28

OK I would agree that part. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #38

The statute protects both manufacturers and retail gun dealers. Unvanguard May 2015 #41

It protects them ONLY if they follow federal law. beevul May 2015 #104

The point is that the law guarantees special treatment to gun manufacturers and dealers. Unvanguard May 2015 #111

It didn't happen in a vaccum. beevul May 2015 #112

Any lawsuit alleging negligence fits that mold. Unvanguard May 2015 #117

No. Just no. beevul May 2015 #153

Both of the lawsuits you mention follow the lines I described. Unvanguard May 2015 #172

You can characterize it any way you like, but I see through it. And I'm not alone. beevul May 2015 #174

The way you keep that avenue closed is through the courts. Unvanguard May 2015 #175

Its not like its unprecedented. beevul May 2015 #176

That would fall under the dealer, GGJohn May 2015 #128

Because guns are mean and scary... ileus May 2015 #68

He gets an "F" rating from the NRA AgingAmerican May 2015 #22

That shows just how radical the NRA has become. In fairness looking still_one May 2015 #44

They gave him an 'F' AgingAmerican May 2015 #51

I know they gave him an F, and looking at his voting record, I would have given him a C. I was still_one May 2015 #78

Manufacturers should be sued, because a third party end user misuses their product? beevul May 2015 #86

He represents a rural state. They are hunters. And his state also has been in the gun manufacturing jwirr May 2015 #25

What else was in the bill? fredamae May 2015 #26

Bernie's positions on gun control concern me. Koinos May 2015 #27

Should you be able to sue Krylon hootinholler May 2015 #31

On the right facts, sure. Unvanguard May 2015 #39

Gun Manufacturers don't sell to the general public. beevul May 2015 #88

Absolutely you should. NCTraveler May 2015 #52

"What other corporations would you like to have such special privileges?" beevul May 2015 #92

Reminder: Pro-gun democrats do exist. Jester Messiah May 2015 #34

Yes, we do derby378 May 2015 #69

"I'm only posting this because..." cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #42

Wow. That's bizarre. I can't imagine a pro-gun manufacturer candidate winning the Dem nomination. DCBob May 2015 #45

Bernie is toast when this becomes well known? GGJohn Sep 2015 #177

Gun control is something I don't agree with AZ Progressive May 2015 #47

The "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act" isn't about gun control. Unvanguard May 2015 #50

It's about shielding gun manufacturers and retailers from civil liability. GGJohn May 2015 #146

Don't try to engage in de facto bans of legal products through the courts. MicaelS May 2015 #152

Liability isn't a ban. Unvanguard May 2015 #173

I may not agree with him on some of that but I agree with him on a whole lot more. Autumn May 2015 #60

I don't like it but it's not a deal breaker like someone elses IWR vote. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #61

Neither Sanders not Clinton are perfect candidates The Second Stone May 2015 #64

This would be a good debate question. DCBob May 2015 #65

Finally one area Bernie trumps Hillary on, I may have to reconsider my Hillary support. ileus May 2015 #66

Maybe he will change his mind? kentuck May 2015 #67

I get it okay ? olddots May 2015 #71

I love Bernie, and I have no problem with his record on gun legislation. closeupready May 2015 #72

The Democratic Party has a lot of gun-rights voters... kentuck May 2015 #75

In 1990 the NRA supported Sanders over an incumbent Republican. former9thward May 2015 #76

This is what a liberal looks like on gun control. I know it hurts some folks' feelings to say so. aikoaiko May 2015 #77

The NRA would give me an "F", too!. Eleanors38 May 2015 #85

Last I saw they marked him a D- for the 2012 election. aikoaiko May 2015 #90

Deal breaker for Bernie Sanders! workinclasszero May 2015 #87

What about the children who died when the bombs fell on Iraq? Autumn May 2015 #95

Speaking of kids workinclasszero May 2015 #99

I think the ass who left the gun unattended is the one who should be sued, and charged Autumn May 2015 #100

Only 999,999 to go to match the IWR vote. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #142

So the manufacturers should be sued because these idiot parents left their firearm GGJohn May 2015 #157

IMO, he got it right on the PLCAA. Absent specific misconduct on their own part, petronius May 2015 #91

Spot on. N/T beevul May 2015 #93

Burn him! AtomicKitten May 2015 #97

You all realize if he becomes President and the majority of Americans come to their senses NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #102

In 1993, then-Rep. Sanders voted againstthe Brady Act... 1993...1993 Cosmic Kitten May 2015 #105

What's even WORSE IS HE voted for Bush's WAR's imnew May 2015 #107

Said legislation is only reprehensible to a small group of people. beevul May 2015 #109

His record on this is a disappointment. grntuscarora May 2015 #113

Not a Sanders fan, but that bill seems reasonable. tritsofme May 2015 #125

Here is how at least 66.6 percent hear it seveneyes May 2015 #126

LOL! I see people are finally freaking out about an Independent...unlike their uncle that pretends. Rex May 2015 #140

Congratulations, it took almost a week to find something to criticize about bernie Scootaloo May 2015 #141

Disclaimer translation: "I'm only posting this because I'm pushing this bullshit as furiously and as TheKentuckian May 2015 #163

I think that law makes sense Travis_0004 May 2015 #164

Doesn't pro 2A cross party lines? Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #166

This is where that don't be a purist thing bites some people in the butt. djean111 May 2015 #168

Good to know his record.. I don't have a candidate yet and I'm not a one issue voter.. I look at the Cha May 2015 #169

"I'm only posting because" LeftOfWest May 2015 #170

Weak sauce. Puglover May 2015 #171

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