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JoePhilly

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57. Sure ... THIS is the easy part ...

Wed May 6, 2015, 04:14 PM

May 2015

... he's not President yet. DU will turn on ANY Dem President who does not have an iron clad filibuster proof majority. We've already seen that.

I absolutely think you should do everything you can do to help Bernie win, seriously.

He holds most of the correct positions. Awesome. So did John Edwards. Ooops.

In many areas of life, I can be idealistic. But the reason I've been successful, is because I can also be practical.

Obama did not win me until a week before the NC primaries. Bernie has exactly that long, unless he falls before I even get to vote.

Being President isn't just about being "correct" on every policy, or even about any one policy. Its about being mostly correct on most policies, AND being ready and able to move the chains (football analogy).

DU is going to be unhappy one year into the Presidency of Hillary or Bernie. Remember, Obama was a bastard here on DU for giving a RW jerk 30 seconds at the inaugural. He was not even one DAY into his first term.

Some here talk of the "cult" of personality ... even as they search for this perfect candidate, or see Bernie as such.

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it's simple. if gun control is a vitally important issue to you [View all] cali May 2015 OP

The smears are as transparent as they are desperate. arcane1 May 2015 #1

I think it's absolutely fair to criticize him on this cali May 2015 #4

Agreed 100%! arcane1 May 2015 #14

I agree. And I welcome the discussion, even if in GD... Eleanors38 May 2015 #58

Same for Howard Dean - both probably because of the states they represented. AtomicKitten May 2015 #2

same state cali May 2015 #6

derp AtomicKitten May 2015 #7

Gun control is a losing issue anyway. PeteSelman May 2015 #3

yep. cali May 2015 #5

I agree, Cali. bvar22 May 2015 #70

Upstate NY is the same. Rural areas are different from other parts of the country. No one will win sabrina 1 May 2015 #114

+1; Background checks is something most Americans overwhelmingly support though. stillwaiting May 2015 #72

We have background checks for every retail sale of a firearm. beevul May 2015 #83

Yes - Bernie could do more RE: gun control. Maedhros May 2015 #8

It's a deal breaker for me BainsBane May 2015 #9

It's his constituency. They are rural and they hunt. Just like Hillary is from NY where Wall St. is. KittyWampus May 2015 #12

Are the gun manufacturers based in VT? BainsBane May 2015 #13

no, that position has me perplexed. KittyWampus May 2015 #15

It doesn't perplex me...sales and manufacture of fireams is legal HereSince1628 May 2015 #62

no gun manufacturers and he's never taken a cent cali May 2015 #24

That is the toughest one to get past BainsBane May 2015 #25

Since his vote was to shield the gun manufactors and there isn't any manufactures in Thinkingabout May 2015 #80

Perhaps it's the principle. You know, occasionally, a politician does actually abide by principle. X_Digger May 2015 #110

That is a common question for politicans. Thinkingabout May 2015 #112

there you go. cali May 2015 #18

What then did you do in 2004? BainsBane May 2015 #21

in the primary. cali May 2015 #26

You're right BainsBane May 2015 #29

yep. did the same thing in 2004 cali May 2015 #46

Wall street sympathies are are a deal breaker for me. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #22

Bam! Aerows May 2015 #44

+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #87

^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX May 2015 #104

Winner! 840high May 2015 #108

Deal breaker for me too, unless O'Malley does not run. Koinos May 2015 #39

But the Iraq War vote isn't MannyGoldstein May 2015 #40

30k people dead per year from guns: deal breaker LittleBlue May 2015 #45

You said once that you voted for Kerry Andy823 May 2015 #64

One always compares to the alternative MannyGoldstein May 2015 #100

Considering I voted for the Democratic nominee in 2004 BainsBane May 2015 #79

Does anyone know what his vote was to go to war? imnew May 2015 #42

He voted against. nt darkangel218 May 2015 #47

against both Iraq wars. against the patriot act cali May 2015 #48

He's the man then imnew May 2015 #50

Like you were EVER not going to vote HRC. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #54

I remain undecided BainsBane May 2015 #77

The Tort Protection for Gun Manfacturers makes perfect sense. MicaelS May 2015 #56

Translation BainsBane May 2015 #81

Real Translation MicaelS May 2015 #89

Deal breaker even in the absence of an explanation of his reasoning? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #73

I live in a rural area Travis_0004 May 2015 #86

That's ridiculous BainsBane May 2015 #88

Some times killing is necessary... beevul May 2015 #92

Gun ownership as a percent of population is far higher where I live than any city Travis_0004 May 2015 #106

He might not take money from gun manufacturers but it's too bad he protects them. THAT SAID- KittyWampus May 2015 #10

There is an extensive history of plaintiffs' attorneys sueing firearms manufacturers... Eleanors38 May 2015 #68

The only misgiving I have about the 'Protection of Legal Commerce in Arms Act' VScott May 2015 #78

I don't care about gun control LittleBlue May 2015 #11

It shouldn't surprise people that Bernie is a good defender of all civil liberties. aikoaiko May 2015 #16

and it shouldn't surprise them Mnpaul May 2015 #111

You'll find that many who claim they are liberal... beevul May 2015 #117

Gun control isn't important to me at all. Autumn May 2015 #17

That's great. You don't live in an area with a gun violence problem, so gun control isn't a big DanTex May 2015 #19

what part of I believe it's nigh on impossible cali May 2015 #32

But it's heroic to submit break up the banks legislation that's "nigh on impossible to pass?" stevenleser May 2015 #33

Exactly. The irony of Sanders backers advocating for pragmatism and realism. DanTex May 2015 #37

Of course not. The second amendment has nothing to do with civilian gun control, and never did DanTex May 2015 #36

The Democratic Party platform and the president would disagree hack89 May 2015 #61

And they would be wrong. Any half-decent historian knows that it was always about militias. DanTex May 2015 #67

Go read the British Bill of Rights of 1690 hack89 May 2015 #76

I've seen Fox News. I don't need you to repeat their talking points for me. DanTex May 2015 #93

Wilful ignorance of history to maintain a pov hack89 May 2015 #96

You should heed that advice. DanTex May 2015 #97

I showed you the English model for the US BoR hack89 May 2015 #99

I think someone who votes to provide access to mental health treatment is going to do more to lower Township75 May 2015 #20

This!^^ darkangel218 May 2015 #49

People with mental health issues are only as likely as the rest of the population to be violent. Neoma May 2015 #91

I just checked in for the first time in awhile gotj90 May 2015 #23

For the first time since April 11th. Well, welcome to DU. And welcome back. KittyWampus May 2015 #30

He's wrong on gun control and voting for weapons systems. But there is a reason why he does NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #27

This is how it starts ... JoePhilly May 2015 #28

bzzzt. no. an issue that is important to.you, is not cali May 2015 #35

Did I say YOU called people that? JoePhilly May 2015 #38

I knew Bernie's stand on this before I supported him. Autumn May 2015 #51

Sure ... THIS is the easy part ... JoePhilly May 2015 #57

I caucused for Hillary, I voted for Obama, twice. I don't care if Autumn May 2015 #63

You miss the point ... JoePhilly May 2015 #69

I didn't miss the point. You didn't make one,other than it bothers you to see a President picked on Autumn May 2015 #75

" DU will turn on ANY Dem President who does not have an iron clad filibuster proof majority." pasto76 May 2015 #82

except im not trying to explain it away cali May 2015 #55

Please ... JoePhilly May 2015 #60

lol. sorry Charlie,I'm a rural vermonter cali May 2015 #65

America is not rural Vermont. JoePhilly May 2015 #74

His position on the I/P issue is more troubling to me than this. m-lekktor May 2015 #31

I don't think being a one issue voter is very smart upaloopa May 2015 #34

I live in a state where a lot of people hunt to eat magical thyme May 2015 #41

I'm with you. 840high May 2015 #109

Well said, thank you. darkangel218 May 2015 #43

I would politely disagree. Bernie supports gun regulations. He has an F rating from the NRA. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #52

please post that as an op cali May 2015 #59

Can't have everything. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #53

Well this is disappointing to read/hear. ileus May 2015 #66

That is a feature not a bug for me, just means he aligns even closer to my beliefs. TheKentuckian May 2015 #71

+1 Shrek May 2015 #98

The NRA and Gun Owners of America gave Bernie........ Capt.Rocky300 May 2015 #84

Bernie is not a "gun nut". kentuck May 2015 #85

+1 darkangel218 May 2015 #90

I'm wondering if somebody sent out a talking point. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #94

After Newtown, grntuscarora May 2015 #95

Take a look at HRC. We'll still be here for ya. NYC_SKP May 2015 #107

If you have a link or transcript, grntuscarora May 2015 #120

yup ibegurpard May 2015 #101

Its a big issue for me and most Democrats. DCBob May 2015 #102

not and never has been a big issue for me cali May 2015 #116

F rating by the NRA. "gun nut" is just an immature smear against a ...Democratic candidate. L0oniX May 2015 #103

I am not a one issue voter Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #105

yeah, and so's our constant war MisterP May 2015 #113

What is vitally important awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #115

Bernie voted for gun control...in Iraq. U4ikLefty May 2015 #118

Single issue voters are the worst. joshcryer May 2015 #119