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MADem

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117. How about the fallacy of Scooter Libby's lawyer LYING about his access to a

Wed May 6, 2015, 08:57 PM

May 2015

witness in the report?

Not a fallacy, that--but all I can say when it comes to associations, ya lie down with dogs like Scooter Libby and Dick Cheney, you get up with fleas.

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NFL Finds It Probable The New England Patriots Deliberately Deflated Balls [View all] DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 OP

uh-oh KMOD May 2015 #1

-passes out free popcorn- yuiyoshida May 2015 #84

Developing a yawn here. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #2

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #131

In other words, there's no evidence... joeybee12 May 2015 #3

Actually the reports finds it more likely than not... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #4

In other words, no evidence.... joeybee12 May 2015 #5

If you are an automobile manufacturer... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #6

I think that's a different scenario... joeybee12 May 2015 #7

I am not all that invested in the outcome except as news DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #9

Like I said, no evidence... joeybee12 May 2015 #10

I don't have the juice to "litigate" it because it is not something I am all that interested in... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #11

It's more the other way around: It's the Die-hard Pats fans won't care because R B Garr May 2015 #13

pretty much this Johonny May 2015 #17

"generally aware" joeybee12 May 2015 #19

"More likely than not is a standard the NFL used to impose sanctions for the past seven years." DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #24

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This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #49

No one is going to get killed by an under-inflated ball. MADem May 2015 #65

It's an apt analogy... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #67

I rather doubt it. What "punishment" are they going to impose? MADem May 2015 #69

I don't know what the appropriate punishment should be... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #72

"No evidence" has meaning too, but that's not going to stop some from MADem May 2015 #82

The Wells Report found that it was more "probable than not" the balls were tampered with... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #85

And Gallup and Karl Rove found it "more probable than not" that Romney would win in 2012. MADem May 2015 #87

And this is why the cheating was worth it. R B Garr May 2015 #88

Colts players maintain the best team won. nt MADem May 2015 #97

Wasn't it one of the Colts players who complained about the R B Garr May 2015 #100

Well, three out of four of THEIR (COLTS) balls were under-inflated, too. MADem May 2015 #108

Did you see the texts between the Pats employees? R B Garr May 2015 #111

Yeah, they sounded like they were joking about Brady being a dick. MADem May 2015 #116

And this is exactly why the cheating pays off. It's a calculated risk, but R B Garr May 2015 #119

I guess someone on the COLTS team was a dick, too. MADem May 2015 #121

The Colts' footballs were found to be within the correct range mythology May 2015 #128

That's not what Kraft said, and I don't think he's lying. MADem May 2015 #129

Which is apropos of precisely... opiate69 May 2015 #103

Post 106 nt MADem May 2015 #107

Weak sauce. opiate69 May 2015 #110

How about the fallacy of Scooter Libby's lawyer LYING about his access to a MADem May 2015 #117

I don't see how you can compare the findings of a inept pollster and the opinion ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #89

Optics fade. MADem May 2015 #91

I take it you haven't been watching TV today? MSNBC is excoriating the Pats, R B Garr May 2015 #90

MSNBC has been excoriating Democrats lately, too. They're "leaning in" to the right. MADem May 2015 #92

Wow, so everyone in the NFL and MSNBC is envious of the Pats? R B Garr May 2015 #93

Not the Colts, apparently. MADem May 2015 #95

Wasn't it one of the Colts players who said the ball felt underinflated? R B Garr May 2015 #99

Inflation was off on Colt's balls, too--but no one brought that up. MADem May 2015 #105

Yeah, we should all just shut up about the rules. Did you see the texts R B Garr May 2015 #109

Did you see where Scooter Libby's lawyer lied in the report, and said they only interviewed that MADem May 2015 #113

Apparently rules aren't fine if you're a Patriot or Patriot fan. R B Garr May 2015 #120

Well, you've got your mind made up. Have a nice night! nt MADem May 2015 #124

You appear to be unaware of the concept of "professional sportsmanship".... opiate69 May 2015 #94

I appear to be unimpressed with "Guilt by innuendo" especially when delivered by MADem May 2015 #96

From the report: ". the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the R B Garr May 2015 #102

I don't think Scooter Libby's attorney's opinion is the Word of God. MADem May 2015 #106

Oh, I see you're relying on a statement from Robert Kraft R B Garr May 2015 #135

The texts are pretty damning. The Patriots are refusing to allow the texters to be interviewed... stevenleser May 2015 #51

And Brady refused to turn over his cell phone records to excuplate himself. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #53

Makes one glad Brady didn't make it to the White House. GOP would be blaming Obama for deflategate stevenleser May 2015 #55

LOL DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #58

I'm guessing his texts wouldn't have been exculpatory mythology May 2015 #76

" There is no way that two low-level employees did this on their own. " DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #77

No they didn't refuse--that's a lie. They made McNally available FOUR TIMES. MADem May 2015 #118

Truly an unbiased source there mythology May 2015 #125

And Scooter Libby's lawyer, investigating a team owned by a strong Democratic donor, MADem May 2015 #127

Long-awaited deflate-gate investigation implicates Pats, Tom Brady spanone May 2015 #16

I thought Deflate Gate was all over? lpbk2713 May 2015 #8

^^This^^ ProfessorGAC May 2015 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author spanone May 2015 #14

Steroid use, over time, will have that effect, for sure. MineralMan May 2015 #15

Shouldn't surprise anyone Blue_Tires May 2015 #18

You're right, it's not surprising. R B Garr May 2015 #20

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #132

The NFL's credibility should be called into question after their Malraiders May 2015 #21

Better to argue about this, a report where the lawyer writing it lied about access to a witness! MADem May 2015 #115

That lawyer also served as Treasurer to Democrat Bill Bradley's campaign. R B Garr May 2015 #137

From the report DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #22

LOL even the trainers cant stand the d-bag GusBob May 2015 #29

*ahem* someone upthread is claiming "no evidence" GusBob May 2015 #30

And I told that gentleman that "more probable than not" is a legal term... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #32

Try this: GusBob May 2015 #35

I don't have a dog in this fight but I love a good scandal./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #39

same GusBob May 2015 #41

Those text messages are damning... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #43

that'll be the most intriguing part of it all here at DU bigtree May 2015 #64

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #133

Um, this sin't evidence... joeybee12 May 2015 #45

I sin't too stupid!!! GusBob May 2015 #48

Now I have a dog in this fight... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #50

He does seem to be taking this personally GusBob May 2015 #52

I really couldn't care less...I am a huge sports fan but it doesn't affect my life. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #54

Yes, it is evidence. Not sufficient or persuasive evidence, to you, but evidence. Shrike47 May 2015 #71

Wow, that is absolutely damning LittleBlue May 2015 #57

In another text the equipment manager refers to himself as "The Deflator". DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #59

Wow, seriously? The penalty for this might be unprecedented LittleBlue May 2015 #61

The guy that put me on ignore implied I lied when I said Brady didn't cooperate... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #63

... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #66

That sounds like a couple of guys fucking with one another. MADem May 2015 #70

Then why didn't Brady offer his e-mails and texts to exculpate himself. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #73

Probably because he didn't want someone in Scooter Libby's attorney's office MADem May 2015 #80

So the whole investigation and its findings are of no moment ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #81

A hundred and eight days worth of billable hours...? MADem May 2015 #83

ESPN covering it hard like CNN, FAUX, ans MSNBC would cover a political scandal. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #23

It's a big deal that the Super Bowl winner cheated mythology May 2015 #25

I don't have a dog in this fight but it's the biggest sports scandal since Pete Rose's gambling. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #27

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Yeah, and this guy says pipi_k May 2015 #26

completely irrelevant.. frylock May 2015 #134

Take away their rings. They were probably cheating all season long. Cali_Democrat May 2015 #28

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Why the personal insults? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #56

Here's the report: DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #60

Because that's all there is left for Pats fans mythology May 2015 #78

USA Today headline: AgingAmerican May 2015 #31

likely suspension for Brady. KMOD May 2015 #33

I'm guessing a year off for Tom GusBob May 2015 #36

I don't know if it will be that harsh, KMOD May 2015 #37

ESPN is covering it like the cable news stations covered Monicagate. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #34

It is a sports thing AgingAmerican May 2015 #38

Probable...LOL trumad May 2015 #40

Too bad joeybee isn't around to defend his football god!! madinmaryland May 2015 #79

Shady Brady and Bill Belicheat KMOD May 2015 #42

Great! I've never seen this. El Supremo May 2015 #68

It's one of my all time favorites. KMOD May 2015 #123

Bookmarking for later. U4ikLefty May 2015 #136

No wonder this country is so screwed up. LonePirate May 2015 #62

We can multi-task trumad May 2015 #86

sports in general receives far more coverage than it deserves Skittles May 2015 #140

"Probable?" "Probable??" edbermac May 2015 #74

"More probable than not " is a specific legal term DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #75

In civil court? So are the Dolts bucking for money? KamaAina May 2015 #126

It's the burden of proof that the NFL has established . DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #141

Hey, the author of that opus is a Friend Of Cheney!!!! MADem May 2015 #98

He also represented Johnson & Johnson... R B Garr May 2015 #130

is anyone surprised DonCoquixote May 2015 #101

Cheaters never win Generic Brad May 2015 #104

Q: "Tom Brady - how do you manage to sleep at night?" bullwinkle428 May 2015 #112

Quelle surprise Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2015 #114

Seahawk homer here nilesobek May 2015 #122

It feels like bad karma Jamaal510 May 2015 #138

gee, no f***ing sh** Skittles May 2015 #139