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BainsBane

(53,116 posts)
44. Absolutely
Thu May 7, 2015, 12:21 AM
May 2015

People insist criticism is supposed to raise attention of issues for candidates, yet when it comes to someone they decide they like, they will hear none of it. This brand of politics that makes some individuals heroes above reproach and others the embodiment of all ills is simplistic. Do people care about real issues or just finding a figure head? I have never understood a view of politics, history, or society more generally that focuses on individuals above broader social forces. It strikes me as about next to nothing. Either people care about human life and gun control or they don't. Either promoting corporate interests is bad or it's not. Merchants of death are not better than bankers. In fact they are worse, in my view, because murder is worse than usury.

People discuss their hatred (and it is hatred) for Clinton rather than issues. They project rather than examining voting records. They discuss Greenwald and Snowden as individuals, focusing on endless trivia, and forsake the important issue about the NSA and the conflict between privacy and national security. They like Wikileaks so they assume Assange must be a saint and shouldn't be held responsible for legal charges of sexual assault. What is lost in all of this is any semblance of principle, principles flung out the window in a second if it conflicts with their views of a particular individual. That's not a concern for social reform or economic justice; it's cult of personality for and against, nothing more.

Now I can see how people can weigh the pros and cons on various issues and decide in Sanders favor. But to claim any concern about a voting record is "piling on" or somehow illicit is weak and unprincipled. It's like when people refuse to discuss public financing because they want to make it all about their antipathy for a single candidate. Meanwhile, money continues to corrupt government and they could care less as long as one person is kept out of the White House. There are issues far more pervasive than a single candidate, election, or presidency, yet people insist on making every discussion as small as possible.

Your post proves nothing Renew Deal May 2015 #1
Voting against the Brady Bill ... Evergreen Emerald May 2015 #2
Absolutely true BainsBane May 2015 #4
Guns kill more people every year. JaneyVee May 2015 #61
Not just the Brady bill BainsBane May 2015 #3
He voted for the PLCAA because he knows that holding a manufacturer liable for GGJohn May 2015 #6
Good post. bigwillq May 2015 #7
There would be no need for a separate law for that BainsBane May 2015 #10
Oh? And what firearms manufacturers delivered weapons to illegal gun runners? GGJohn May 2015 #11
Manufacturers know purchasers will take care of that. Manufacturers know guns will be misused, Hoyt May 2015 #34
Oh really? GGJohn May 2015 #37
If you made a living off something that hurt so many people, would you keep doing it? Hoyt May 2015 #41
Oh, so that would apply to the auto industry also, GGJohn May 2015 #48
Nope, cars aren't built to kill. Do you have three garages full of cars? Hoyt May 2015 #50
Oh, so you're not just as injured or dead because a car wasn't built for killing? GGJohn May 2015 #51
" People go on about Americans being killed with drones..." beevul May 2015 #55
What was the bill going to do? treestar May 2015 #60
No they are not dsc May 2015 #65
Exempts them from their own negligence? treestar May 2015 #67
As disturbing as your statistic is there is no form of gun violence worse than war Bjorn Against May 2015 #13
That may be BainsBane May 2015 #21
It does concern me, unfortunately there is not a candidate that does not have some bad positions Bjorn Against May 2015 #26
I am too, though I still agree with him more than anyone else out there. arcane1 May 2015 #31
Absolutely BainsBane May 2015 #44
You're disappointed in the same way I'm disappointed at the lack of vegemite cheesecake Scootaloo May 2015 #35
What? BainsBane May 2015 #42
My apologies, BainsBane, I actually had you mixed up with someone else, somehow Scootaloo May 2015 #53
Though it also includes the Civil War BainsBane May 2015 #22
Even so, when you count the Iraqis and Vietnamese killed the number of war deaths is astronomical Bjorn Against May 2015 #29
I understand BainsBane May 2015 #45
Anyone who opposes guns should have opposed the Iraq War Bjorn Against May 2015 #5
There are lots of lives dying in the US from guns, how can any one defend one vote over the other Thinkingabout May 2015 #33
Both votes were wrong, but their effects were not equal Bjorn Against May 2015 #39
You are right both votes may be wrong, for the number of poster claiming they would never Thinkingabout May 2015 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb May 2015 #8
"he opposed the bill because he felt handgun waiting periods could be dealt with at the state level" arcane1 May 2015 #32
no contest PowerToThePeople May 2015 #9
Are you suggesting that Sen. Sanders is a war criminal? eom. GGJohn May 2015 #12
you people.. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #14
Ok, sorry. GGJohn May 2015 #17
sorry if I came across badly PowerToThePeople May 2015 #19
No problem, GGJohn May 2015 #20
Voting NO on the ISIS resolution was not a good vote either. People are still getting killed. Thinkingabout May 2015 #36
So domestic war, no problem? BainsBane May 2015 #23
That's the problem, GGJohn May 2015 #24
Amen to that. n/t 99Forever May 2015 #27
I understand people have differing opinions BainsBane May 2015 #47
Ban all Guns! PowerToThePeople May 2015 #30
The gun lobby is working to overturn local and state restrictions BainsBane May 2015 #49
And "domestic war", to use your phrase, guillaumeb May 2015 #38
excellent point BainsBane May 2015 #46
I ckecked out the Senator's main contributors. guillaumeb May 2015 #69
I think it's forty something percent of Americans who own guns BainsBane May 2015 #70
Neither one are in my top issues for a candidate. n/t tammywammy May 2015 #15
I can despise both just as much, and neither candidate gets a pass. NuclearDem May 2015 #16
Ever notice how the very same folks... 99Forever May 2015 #18
It's a DU rule. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #25
To the average voter? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #28
Standard reply, followed by snarky ending. Rex May 2015 #40
Let's see a good vote I support versus one of the most foolish ones ever that I don't? TheKentuckian May 2015 #43
Gee, let's see.... MADem May 2015 #52
False equivalent Gman May 2015 #54
Since Brady around a quarter of a million people have been murdered.* joshcryer May 2015 #56
The excuses are appalling treestar May 2015 #57
false. and don't put that in the past tense. They're still dying and it's due cali May 2015 #58
Yep. I've already said I think the way folks characterize Dems votes for IWR is revisionist history stevenleser May 2015 #62
Wrong LittleBlue May 2015 #68
I honestly believe any attempt to justify the Iraq war is kind of appalling. bullwinkle428 May 2015 #71
The bottom line is: no candidate is going to have a perfect track record. cyberswede May 2015 #63
People write sane stuff, and sane stuff gets ignored in favor of the sexy stuff. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #64
But but but...ponies! If the small group of shit stirrers don't stir the shit Rex May 2015 #66
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