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karynnj

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83. Hillary did far worse in Iowa than expected in 2008

Thu May 7, 2015, 04:45 PM

May 2015

She lost not just to Obama, but to Edwards. From all I have ever heard, it comes down to retail politics - responding one to one with the people interested in caucusing.

If it was "athletic" or the earlier "All American", why didn't Edwards win it hands down - in either year? As to John Kerry, I think it might have been more important that he was a vet and a large group of MA vets, who supported him for decades, went to Iowa to support him. That and he had very strong support from the firemen for things he had done for them. On top of that, he was willing to talk to people for hours - staying until he answered all their questions. That likely made a difference over time. (As to athletic, he is, but that likely was his weakest time as he was recovering from cancer surgery in 2003.)

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WHAT TROUBLE? CLINTON HAS EARLY LOCK ON IOWA CAUCUS, QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY POLL FINDS [View all] DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 OP

Perhaps for the record of the past of non scandals it is just another chapter in the list Thinkingabout May 2015 #1

The press might be taking a respite from beating up on Hillary./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #2

We've seen this before. yallerdawg May 2015 #19

Loved "Being There" DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #22

It is always the FRONTRUNNER who gets bashed karynnj May 2015 #47

Bash away! yallerdawg May 2015 #61

Nothing I said was innuendo or speculation karynnj May 2015 #80

Way to double down, karrynVT! yallerdawg May 2015 #86

Sorry, but I will criticize actions I think are wrong -- and I think she should have abided karynnj May 2015 #87

I don't see Sanders catching on in Iowa. ucrdem May 2015 #3

That sounds as if you are saying Iowa which voted for Obama would not vote for a Jewish candidate. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #13

I didn't realize Obama was Jewish. ucrdem May 2015 #16

The real question is why YOU would equate the words "All American types" with being non-Jewish FourScore May 2015 #24

"Sometimes though, it ain't what you think at first glance." MADem May 2015 #72

Although, I appreciate your post MADem, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. FourScore May 2015 #91

I don't think he meant to exclude "the Jewish." MADem May 2015 #92

You do realize I was responding to this comment from Bluenorthwest: FourScore May 2015 #94

Yes, I believe we are on the same side with regard to this matter. MADem May 2015 #95

Yes. I thought it seemed we were agreeing vehemently. FourScore May 2015 #96

Kerry is part Jewish--half, IIRC. merrily May 2015 #27

The confusion is that Jewish refers to a religion as well as a heritage (unlike say "Irish") karynnj May 2015 #81

There is no confusion and never was. We can all access wiki and we merrily May 2015 #90

How is Sanders not All-American? cyberswede May 2015 #31

It means athletic. ucrdem May 2015 #33

Neither is Hillary Clinton - or O'Malley, better known for playing a guitar. nt karynnj May 2015 #85

Clinton looks like a former cheerleader. The "rules," too, are still being written for women. MADem May 2015 #93

Hillary did far worse in Iowa than expected in 2008 karynnj May 2015 #83

Excellent news! leftofcool May 2015 #4

Why is a 2 1/2 month old poll an indicator of current trends??? catnhatnh May 2015 #5

What do you mean? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #8

The 2nd paragraph of the PDF... catnhatnh May 2015 #9

It's citing the February poll as a comparison. nt sufrommich May 2015 #10

What do you mean? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #12

You are correct... catnhatnh May 2015 #14

No apology required.../NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #17

At least you apologized. That doesn't happen here very often. That's a start. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #79

Really! Cha May 2015 #97

It's a rare occurrence indeed, my dear Cha. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #98

So gracious.. Cha May 2015 #100

She is in a very good position. NCTraveler May 2015 #6

I might be wrong but I don't believe HRC ever led in IA in 08. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #7

HILLARY'S TROUBLES ARE IN POLLS THAT SHOW HER LOSING TO cali May 2015 #11

I didn't yell... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #15

Calis correct re: NH bunnies May 2015 #37

Again. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #45

Which does not include the poll I linked to. bunnies May 2015 #51

The poll you cited was the first poll DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #57

The poll I cited is from 05/06. bunnies May 2015 #60

The Dartmouth poll you and Steve Lesser are citing is the first poll in the link DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #63

I give up. bunnies May 2015 #64

From the link in The Hill DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #65

. bunnies May 2015 #67

No apology required... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #68

Why just a couple weeks ago, people were mocking Sanders as the KingCharlemagne May 2015 #18

Does that mean Sanders is polling better than Obama in May 2007? ieoeja May 2015 #25

From Wikipedia: sufrommich May 2015 #26

I don't have ready access to that polling data, but IIRC someone posted it here KingCharlemagne May 2015 #28

The largest lead Secretary of State Clinton had in any 08 IA poll was 17%... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #30

Ya might wanna review post 26. jeff47 May 2015 #39

I was specifically referring to Iowa... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #40

So does your link that shows she was ahead in 41 polls in IA. jeff47 May 2015 #41

I didn't bother to count them, one by one, but my statement is factually correct: DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #42

Yes, just like the statement that Giuliani was going to beat Clinton in 2008 is factually correct. jeff47 May 2015 #43

Moving the goal posts, ey... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #44

Nope, I'm not. I'm pointing out your claim is intentionally deceptive. jeff47 May 2015 #49

IA was always problematic for HRC. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #53

Incoming... Omaha Steve May 2015 #20

You are in the right for not tampering with someone else's work product. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #21

CLINTON HAS EARLY LOCK ON IOWA CAUCUS workinclasszero May 2015 #23

Polls this far out are worthless and this one is especially so, given that merrily May 2015 #29

I admire your enthusiasm./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #32

I see no reason to be enthusiastic (or pessimistic) about a poll that means nothing. merrily May 2015 #34

I paid you a compliment./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #35

Tip: Lack of enthusiasm is not usually perceived as a compliment. merrily May 2015 #36

That's why I implied you had it in abundance./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #38

Worthless? Maybe. Orsino May 2015 #46

Well, I'm sure if your candidate were as far ahead, you'd be doing this MoonRiver May 2015 #48

It would be fucking amazing if my fave were ahead right out of the gate. Orsino May 2015 #54

Do you see a difference between a poll that is worthless and a merrily May 2015 #50

They may be the same thing when we already know the answer in advance. Orsino May 2015 #56

Thanks. merrily May 2015 #58

Iowa requires a strong ground game Gothmog May 2015 #52

The MSM controlled by right wing big business workinclasszero May 2015 #55

No other candidate could withstand this scrutiny. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #59

NH is Bernie's best shot kentuck May 2015 #62

In 1968, LBJ beat Eugene McCarthy by 49% to 42%....LBJ dropped out. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #66

And then the criminal Nixon was elected! And you are hoping for a repeat of that? workinclasszero May 2015 #69

I didn't vote for Nixon. Did you? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #70

So now you are saying Hillary is not a liberal? workinclasszero May 2015 #71

Yes. And, certainly not as left as Bernie. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #73

Very impressive! I believe Obama had the lead in IA at this point in his first candidacy riderinthestorm May 2015 #74

yippee. four more years of appeasement, corporatism, and turd way bullshit Doctor_J May 2015 #75

Good. The numbers will change but it is a good sign. hrmjustin May 2015 #76

Alt: What trouble? Wall Street has early lock on 2016 POTUS L0oniX May 2015 #77

OMGRSVRPWTFBBQROTFLRTFM!!ELEVENS!!!! AtomicKitten May 2015 #78

I admire your enthusiasm DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #88

I heard the same thing in 2007. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #82

DSB is going to help you become richer than you ever imagined DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #89

It's almost a year away AgingAmerican May 2015 #84

Emphasis on "early". Ken Burch May 2015 #99