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In reply to the discussion: Bernie needs to see the light when it comes to gun control. It's our job to educate him on the facts [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)90. Apparently, you think bankrupting victims of gun violence is a good idea.
Seriously, you need to sit down and think about what you are arguing. Someone's daughter died in the movie theater shooting in Colorado. They filed a lawsuit like this. They lost. They now owe the manufacturers $200,000 in legal fees. On top of losing their 11-year-old daughter.
THAT is what you are supporting. Bankrupting families that are already going through horrific pain.
The reason the NRA wanted this law, is because (as everyone knows), they were afraid that the gun companies were going to lose.
Based on what? Again, can you sue Ford, and win, if a drunk driver hits you in an F150?
Just because it's a gun doesn't magically mean you can win such a lawsuit.
What they were most afraid of is lawsuits from DAs, which looked like they were gaining traction, because the gun industry, of course, does knowingly profit from putting guns in the hands of criminals.
Sorry, no. Gun manufacturers do not sell to individuals. Federal law already required them to sell to federally-licensed dealers. As a result, it is impossible for a gun manufacturer to "put guns in the hands of criminals" - only a dealer can. If you managed to find a manufacturer selling directly to the public, you've now got a very large criminal case. Not a lawsuit to be filed by a victim.
Btw, as long as those dealers followed federal and state laws, they were already shielded from liability.
But you could still file a suit against them. And lose. And then go find the next victim to exploit and bankrupt.
Another phenomenal argument. Like the fact that the entire GOP hates Clinton with a burning passion. Must mean that she is some kind of socialist peacenik, huh? Obviously!
When you claim Sanders is fighting for the NRA, their hatred of Sanders is quite relevant. It kinda demonstrates you're wrong.
No, he didn't. He voted agains the Brady Bill. You know, the first federal law to require any kind of background checks at all? Yeah, Bernie was against that. It's nuts that people are defending this.
Guess what? He voted for other universal background check bills. Golly, it's almost like he's for universal background checks, but didn't like some details of the Brady bill.
Oh sorry. Tried to actually use nuance.
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Bernie needs to see the light when it comes to gun control. It's our job to educate him on the facts [View all]
Cali_Democrat
May 2015
OP
What's wrong with getting Bernie to become a more forceful advocate for gun control?
Cali_Democrat
May 2015
#3
In so doing, he would alienate true progressives, who value the whole Bill of Rights.
appal_jack
May 2015
#17
Getting Sanders to become a more forceful advocate for gun control alienates true progressives?
Cali_Democrat
May 2015
#64
I don't think gun control is progressive, it's in the tradition of prohibitionism...
Eleanors38
May 2015
#76
You know, before I posted, I had the beginning of a sentence typed against this canard...
appal_jack
May 2015
#133
I'll go-in on a group buy if you sue to make it legal and then organize it! nt
appal_jack
May 2015
#137
"It could be that he completely understands and still just doesn't agree with you."
friendly_iconoclast
May 2015
#142
I thought Bernie was all for letting each state handle their own specific gun laws.
Hiraeth
May 2015
#145
You make a good point. The definition of Democrat seems to have changed since the DLC became
rhett o rick
May 2015
#37
Then you either don't know Bernie or you don't know the history of the Democratic party.
Dawgs
May 2015
#40
I went looking to see if he had any statements on gun violence other than a pro gun voting record
Agnosticsherbet
May 2015
#9
Good point. Do you think they need special civil immunity? It looks like you do!
DanTex
May 2015
#83
That is an insane argument. Literally you want to "protect" people by denying them access
DanTex
May 2015
#95
Do you want a Special Exception made for plaintiff lawyers? That's what the law prevents.
Eleanors38
May 2015
#86
At least making a general law that isn't specific to the gun industry would be less obviously wrong.
DanTex
May 2015
#116
He does support gun control. Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban
Cheese Sandwich
May 2015
#11
OK but Bernie voted for expanded background checks, and the assault weapons ban
Cheese Sandwich
May 2015
#25
LOL..A Bernie supporter on DU pointed out that Bernie didn't need to evolve.
misterhighwasted
May 2015
#31
What should he say when you tell him that aproximately 922780 of those deaths are self inflicted?
beevul
May 2015
#13
Of "education" on gun issues, the special exception sought by banners is a worthy start...
Eleanors38
May 2015
#85
I heard his answer last night - he is aware of the fact that up until now he represented the state
jwirr
May 2015
#26
What sick narcissism allows Americans to only ever count American deaths?
whatchamacallit
May 2015
#29
I thought this is an interesting fact. The statistics on gun deaths was from 1968.
Thinkingabout
May 2015
#84
It is too many deaths by guns. Are you thinking gun deaths isxa population control?
Thinkingabout
May 2015
#94
Re: confusing foreign aid amendment that Sanders, Kerry, Klobuchar, Feingold, et al, voted Yes on:
NYC_SKP
May 2015
#63
You realize the bulk of those deaths before WWII were due to infectious diseases, right? (nt)
jeff47
May 2015
#46
No. People need to be calm and read up on what he actually voted for and against.
NYC_SKP
May 2015
#47
The NRA gives him an "F". It doesn't get lower than that ...but enjoy the ranting.
L0oniX
May 2015
#58
Not the question, is it now? Nice diversion from the topic at hand though.
yellowcanine
May 2015
#73
I think Bernie Sanders has probably seen what passes for "edumacation" on this...
Eleanors38
May 2015
#69
If I accidentally eat a product containing peanut I guess I should sue every peanut farmer that
Autumn
May 2015
#75
I don't see that but I don't know who or what gunners are, I have those groups trashed.
Autumn
May 2015
#96
"Cult of personality?" Never met the guy. I like Warren, too. But her gun record is not good...
Eleanors38
May 2015
#97