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MADem

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161. I asked five very direct and simple questions.

Thu May 7, 2015, 06:09 PM

May 2015

And no, they were most certainly not smarmy--unless you think that word is a synonym for plain-spoken. I get the strong impression you are unclear on the meaning of the term.

These "gun" threads about Sanders are brand new--they aren't an ongoing thing. The first one I saw was yesterday. As a new candidate, he hasn't caught much heat from the peanut gallery here. Like it or not, that will probably change. The "racist" comments I had to go looking for--that was news to me.

Don't play like you've "never seen" any negativity about Clinton, though, and then when I provide you with just a few examples, you get all huffy and puffy and pretend that the links are for anything other than to illustrate something about which you feigned ignorance. Those aren't even the worst of 'em--those are just a few of the THREADS, as opposed to the sub-threads...and many of those are far more egregious.

I mean, come on, weren't you the one who threw a little shade with this comment?

If you are seeing what you say you are regarding Hillary, that is equally as bad. We should be discussing issues in a factual manner.

"If you are seeing..." Yeah, I am seeing. Here's the proof. So, do you believe me now? See how that "smarmy" stuff works? Now THAT comment of YOURS was smarmy. I never insinuated that you might not have seen something you said you saw. I came right out and asked you about specific complaints. Further, I refuted the validity of the assertions by detractors about Sanders straight out of the gate. What did you do in return? You questioned "IF" my assertions were true, then you berated me when I proved that they were. Then, after all that, you have the moxie to cry about my defending myself from your entirely smarmy remark questioning the truth of my statement.

So yeah, smarmy. It's what's for dinner, I guess.

I'm not going to jerk Senator Sanders' chain. I don't see any need. I wish people would extend former Secretary Clinton the same courtesy and act like something resembling adults, but I am not going to hold my breath.

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The more piling on of Sanders I see [View all] Puzzledtraveller May 2015 OP

Pray tell, how has anyone "piled on" brooklynite May 2015 #1

You see the link that say's "General Discussion"? Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #2

Well, let's take a look, shall we? brooklynite May 2015 #8

So now Bernie Sanders is a gun nut??? cui bono May 2015 #18

I didn't write any of those headlines... brooklynite May 2015 #30

I take it from your name that you live in a city. JDPriestly May 2015 #162

Exactly . . . Vermont is a rural state markpkessinger May 2015 #165

Pretty much like my background in N WI, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #180

you are worried about gun rights? hopemountain May 2015 #178

I'm not stating an opinion on gun rights at all... brooklynite May 2015 #184

do tell, brook, how someone cali May 2015 #79

So your concern isn't the issue; it's the use of over the top language... brooklynite May 2015 #82

distortion and lies bug me cali May 2015 #137

Let's be honest MaggieD May 2015 #158

So Hillary is a war nut? L0oniX May 2015 #107

Hillary is not a war nut: the only one who is Tom Cotton, he says we can take Iran in 7 days! lewebley3 May 2015 #171

Bernie knew this was coming... SomethingFishy May 2015 #129

There are no lies about Bernie, the lies are about Hillary! lewebley3 May 2015 #172

Ummm, no NorthCarolina May 2015 #176

Are you saying that because someone somewhere called HRC a warmonger that justifies you calling Sen rhett o rick May 2015 #139

Do keep up the "gun nut" tag. I don't think it has the impact you think... Eleanors38 May 2015 #141

I haven't called him that... brooklynite May 2015 #154

I understand, but you should be clearer. To be clear, I'm not fond of Clinton's record on war. Eleanors38 May 2015 #160

I'm more worried awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #186

I completely agree with you.^^^ Eleanors38 May 2015 #203

Sanders isn't against gun control. arcane1 May 2015 #152

Well mine wasn't a bash on Sanders MaggieD May 2015 #156

He is "pro-Israel" in that he thinks Israel has a right to exist and to defend itself . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #167

It's called vetting yeoman6987 May 2015 #65

bs. n/t. LeftOfWest May 2015 #74

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #76

What a pig-like response. She ran for Senator, President and confirmed Sec. of State KittyWampus May 2015 #87

I hated that response as well. Where the fuck are we? Free Republic? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #127

Exactly.... MaggieD May 2015 #164

Agreed. Disgusting. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #188

"Sleeping with the President of the United States is not vetting" NYC Liberal May 2015 #99

Good Post!!!! Thinkingabout May 2015 #101

What the fuck? Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #135

These threads are hilarious!!! JoePhilly May 2015 #84

He isn't being ravaged, either. It's a handful of issues. Most of which can be explained KittyWampus May 2015 #88

It's still very funny. JoePhilly May 2015 #94

Frankly, I wish the feet fire holders WOULD call attention to his "gun nuttedness." Eleanors38 May 2015 #142

And what's so incredibly stupid about all of this is -- HE'S NOT BEING ANYTHING NEAR RAVAGED Number23 May 2015 #155

I don't take a lot of them very seriously ... JoePhilly May 2015 #157

Sometimes I feel like the only thing some democrats dislike lovemydog May 2015 #197

Oh yeah shenmue May 2015 #177

There's a laughable attempt to pile on him now muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #119

Oh boo hoo bigwillq May 2015 #3

You think I am hurt, or that I think he' hurt? Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #4

No and No. bigwillq May 2015 #6

Why do you think Sanders deserves it? For what issues? n/t cui bono May 2015 #19

I'm sure there are some bigwillq May 2015 #23

No politician is above criticism, that's for sure. But what's happening with him now is pure slander cui bono May 2015 #26

What lies are these people telling? MADem May 2015 #33

Were the stories false? merrily May 2015 #44

I was asking someone else a question. Did you mean to respond to someone else? nt MADem May 2015 #45

No. I meant to ask you a question. merrily May 2015 #47

The stories were false. They always are. Have a nice day. nt MADem May 2015 #49

No, the stories are not always false. You as well. merrily May 2015 #53

You read those sites regularly, then? In that case you'd know. nt MADem May 2015 #54

No, I don't. However, I once googled for a link to back up something I'd merrily May 2015 #56

If you can find it anywhere else, you should. nt MADem May 2015 #57

I simply did not notice that ONE time. However, people should at least look before mindlessly, merrily May 2015 #62

Are the "stories" about Sanders actual record false. LOL KittyWampus May 2015 #91

Um, What does that have to do my post about sources? Or with me? merrily May 2015 #92

44. Were the stories false? Your post. KittyWampus May 2015 #100

Again, what does any of that have to do with my post or with me? merrily May 2015 #102

Does your recommendation of this bogus OP attacking Hillary help? KittyWampus May 2015 #103

On this thread, I recommended a post that opposed piling on re: the candidate of my choice. merrily May 2015 #104

i love Bernie stonecutter357 May 2015 #151

Tell it to someone else. It's not my group. I didn't start it. I'm not a host of that group. merrily May 2015 #181

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #194

Oh please... LeftOfWest May 2015 #75

If you have something to say, do say it. MADem May 2015 #150

Even though your post is pretty smarmy I'll respond. cui bono May 2015 #133

I wasn't being smarmy at all. I was being DIRECT. I don't look at every thread. MADem May 2015 #140

It was smarmy. And now, rather than acknowledge my answer to your question of what lies cui bono May 2015 #153

I asked five very direct and simple questions. MADem May 2015 #161

I don't have to read your post to see that all you want to do is have infighting. cui bono May 2015 #166

Wow--now you say "I don't have to read your post...." MADem May 2015 #168

" It only matters when it's YOUR ox getting the old gore" How do you come by that? cui bono May 2015 #175

You questioned my veracity, as I pointed out. MADem May 2015 #179

And yet you haven't pointed out evidence of your accusations of me. cui bono May 2015 #183

I don't "seem to be" doing anything. I told you what my issues with your comments were. MADem May 2015 #187

Okay, I tried. I give up. There's simply no reaching any agreement with you. cui bono May 2015 #189

I have no interest in demonizing you--my sole goal was to impress upon you that your MADem May 2015 #190

This site is about to fall in on itself. There aren't enough popcorn smilies in the world for Number23 May 2015 #159

lol treestar May 2015 #81

So I take it that you wouldn't do what I did when someone attacked Hillary and her supporters, cui bono May 2015 #134

except of course for Obama or Hillary Doctor_J May 2015 #16

Never, ever talk ill about those RockStars! bigwillq May 2015 #17

What it says when the smears begin to appear, is that sabrina 1 May 2015 #40

I think if he can get the stage Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #63

That's what's happening. He was at 1% in Oct when polls began including him sabrina 1 May 2015 #70

Anyone that doesn't.. sendero May 2015 #89

His actual voting record is not a smear. It's a bad sign when simply discussing his actual record KittyWampus May 2015 #93

I've seen people trumpet Bernie's vote on the Brady bill as proof that he's a gun nut. winter is coming May 2015 #174

Yep, he is being taken seriously. Let it begin. Eleanors38 May 2015 #143

Quite so . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #169

I'm not sure the perceived threat is that Bernie will be a viable candidate. winter is coming May 2015 #173

That's part of it I'm sure, but they would have to be crazy not to see that this is not just sabrina 1 May 2015 #191

Funny how so many DUers were saying the opposite before Bernie declared, though. merrily May 2015 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #5

Lol, Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #7

LEAVE BERNIE ALONE! KittyWampus May 2015 #95

What was it that did it for you? BainsBane May 2015 #9

It was probably the posts saying his policy is for white males only, cui bono May 2015 #22

He wants our country to be more "white" and "sexist"?? Groan... Beartracks May 2015 #28

Yes, that game of "willful misinterpretation" hurts terribly when that shoe goes on the other foot. MADem May 2015 #34

"Yes, that game of "willful misinterpretation" sheshe2 May 2015 #68

For the umpteenth time, Obama got well deserved criticism. He's a centrist a self described cui bono May 2015 #132

Agree. Just talk about the issues. n/t cui bono May 2015 #131

Check out the wikipedia link for Bernie Sanders. Major Hogwash May 2015 #78

the gun nut thing was from a thread title. LOL. And a very few outlier comments KittyWampus May 2015 #96

I disagree based on what I've seen. I've just seen counters to the slander filled with facts. cui bono May 2015 #130

only 9% of DU supports HRC over Sanders PowerToThePeople May 2015 #10

How do you know that? Seems wrong to me upaloopa May 2015 #13

Well there was this little DU poll chknltl May 2015 #38

you are assuming everyone voted Evergreen Emerald May 2015 #105

Did you also not vote in the fall of 2014? L0oniX May 2015 #111

OMFG, THAT SETTLES IT!!!!!! MohRokTah May 2015 #108

It was not a statistical anslysys upaloopa May 2015 #112

hard to tell what purpose their scolding and bullying is supposed to serve carolinayellowdog May 2015 #15

It's an attempt to create the perception that Hillary is the only choice, Maedhros May 2015 #144

We may be small here but workinclasszero May 2015 #48

Actually, what I realized tonight made me laugh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #14

Spot on, some illusions have been shattered. Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #21

Are 'commies' gun nuts? It's going to be hard to call him a 'socialist commie' AND 'a right sabrina 1 May 2015 #43

Yes. And now they are the ones with the purity test, but for the opponent of their cui bono May 2015 #25

That's kind of a very Republican thing to do. Beartracks May 2015 #29

"ignoring the fact that lefties have never held out for a 'perfect' candidate, just a good one". liberal_at_heart May 2015 #35

Bernie has a great many policies with which I wholeheartedly agree, Maedhros May 2015 #146

+1. I don't expect Bernie to fix everything, but at least he won't lie to me about winter is coming May 2015 #202

That *is* pretty funny. Marr May 2015 #37

In case you missed this DU poll: chknltl May 2015 #39

Nope, hadn't seen it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #83

Wow - it's 10:1 in favor of Bernie. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #147

I guess I'd have to say to them, Maedhros May 2015 #145

I follow the 11th Commandment DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #12

Of the person? That's reasonable. Maedhros May 2015 #148

Please, Bernie has been treated with kid gloves compared to what Hillary bashers have okaawhatever May 2015 #20

No doubt Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #24

This might draw you in a little further: chknltl May 2015 #41

That sound? The other shoe dropping. nt Rex May 2015 #27

I don't see any "piling on." MADem May 2015 #31

No kidding! darkangel218 May 2015 #32

The desperation is unsettling AgingAmerican May 2015 #36

What a gem! appalachiablue May 2015 #138

DUzy! (nt) Stardust May 2015 #193

Just pointing out the fact that Bernie's a gun-humper workinclasszero May 2015 #46

Wrong. He supports background checks and magazine capacity limits. NYC_SKP May 2015 #52

One can support gun ownership without being a gun-humper. Either way, and issue, not my main issue. Ed Suspicious May 2015 #58

My number one issue has always been education but we won't be able to do anything about liberal_at_heart May 2015 #61

I agree. Once we remove the corruption influence of big money from the equation, our issues become Ed Suspicious May 2015 #64

Identity politics are straightened out once we clean up elections. Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #69

this is comedy gold! frylock May 2015 #71

It sure as hell is. Major Hogwash May 2015 #77

Kinda like Hillary is a war-humper. L0oniX May 2015 #110

If you post a photo of Bernie Sanders humping a gun lovemydog May 2015 #195

Recc'd NotoriousRBG May 2015 #50

... Enthusiast May 2015 #51

That is "Calcetine marionetta erectus" Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #55

Not a particularly rare species and certainly not endangered. Enthusiast May 2015 #59

For someone who's supposedly a no-hope candidate, a surprising amount of energy winter is coming May 2015 #60

+1 Ed Suspicious May 2015 #66

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The same was said of Kucinich who also was not viable. Orrex May 2015 #85

+2 L0oniX May 2015 #123

Poor Bernie.. can he take it? Looking into his record? I think so. Wee bit of hypocrisy going Cha May 2015 #72

I have yet to find a politician I agree with 100%. neverforget May 2015 #73

Oh poor Sanders treestar May 2015 #80

"Piling On"? Are you serious? This fake persecution complex is annoying. KittyWampus May 2015 #86

Hyperbole to grab attention to a more subtle point. Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #114

Very annoying MaggieD May 2015 #163

Yup. Less than a week after he announced... 99Forever May 2015 #90

The OP reminds me of teenagers who like their boyfriends the more their parents KittyWampus May 2015 #97

Outside of DU can be a tough place. NCTraveler May 2015 #98

Good deal! He needs all the help he can get. Buzz Clik May 2015 #106

The skin. MohRokTah May 2015 #109

I feel the same way about Hillary! MoonRiver May 2015 #113

What I see is relentless harassment of specific Sanders supporters carolinayellowdog May 2015 #115

There may indeed be some truth in this. Maedhros May 2015 #149

good god, fake martyrdom in action Sheepshank May 2015 #116

Didn't get the point I see. Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #117

So you somehow MISSED all of the pro-Sanders threads? JoePhilly May 2015 #128

He and his message can withstand scrutiny that most other politicians' cannot. Orsino May 2015 #118

Well played! I see the very people saying the same thing about HRC are in here Rex May 2015 #120

David has something on about Bernie every nite fadedrose May 2015 #121

I'm the same way in regards to Clinton. I guess we're both easily manipulated... LanternWaste May 2015 #122

That the Hillary Defense Corps is already doing this hifiguy May 2015 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author StandingInLeftField May 2015 #182

Changing the minds of committed Sanders supporters isn't the point. winter is coming May 2015 #185

What happens on DU won't matter. nt stevenleser May 2015 #125

I have the same reaction to Hillary bashing. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #136

The attacks are from Sanders supporters on Hillary! lewebley3 May 2015 #170

The more I see people pile on Hillary the more I like her. hrmjustin May 2015 #192

This is kind of hilarious. lovemydog May 2015 #196

Oh? Hilarious ? hrmjustin May 2015 #198

To me, yes. I like both Hillary and Bernie. lovemydog May 2015 #199

Thanks my friend! hrmjustin May 2015 #200

You're welcome my friend. lovemydog May 2015 #201