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Bonobo

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141. Agreed, but I also think suing gun manufacturers is weird and inappropriate.

Thu May 7, 2015, 10:51 PM

May 2015

Guns are DESIGNED to kill people.

Better to get rid of the fucking things or make people get insurance policies on them.

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Bernie needs to see the light when it comes to gun control. It's our job to educate him on the facts [View all] Cali_Democrat May 2015 OP

This thread isn't going to end well derby378 May 2015 #1

What's wrong with getting Bernie to become a more forceful advocate for gun control? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #3

Would you be satisfied if he agreed to support the party platform on guns? nt hack89 May 2015 #14

In so doing, he would alienate true progressives, who value the whole Bill of Rights. appal_jack May 2015 #17

Alienate true progressives? iandhr May 2015 #35

Yes, that was my point. nt appal_jack May 2015 #36

"alienate true progressives" kinda like what the OP is trying to do? L0oniX May 2015 #59

Getting Sanders to become a more forceful advocate for gun control alienates true progressives? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #64

I don't think gun control is progressive, it's in the tradition of prohibitionism... Eleanors38 May 2015 #76

What about the 'prohibition' against owning machine guns? Trajan May 2015 #101

The only prohibition against owning machine guns is at the state level DonP May 2015 #112

Well ... then those laws are certainly anti-progressive, right? Trajan May 2015 #138

Spending 3 minutes finding actual facts make you look slightly less dumb DonP May 2015 #140

Machine guns/full-auto guns are not prohibited. Eleanors38 May 2015 #143

+1000 nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #117

I'm pretty sure the word regulate is in the 2nd amendment. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #80

And it pertains to what? Militias! appal_jack May 2015 #122

using that logic, I can own Exilednight May 2015 #129

You know, before I posted, I had the beginning of a sentence typed against this canard... appal_jack May 2015 #133

One man can operate a Exilednight May 2015 #134

I'll go-in on a group buy if you sue to make it legal and then organize it! nt appal_jack May 2015 #137

LOSER issue. bvar22 May 2015 #20

What exactly is his position and how does it compare to Hillary Clinton's? pnwmom May 2015 #102

It's a significant issue but far from the only issue. MineralMan May 2015 #2

Seriously HERVEPA May 2015 #4

I had a conversation with some co-workers about this... Cali_Democrat May 2015 #5

Bernie has been a politician for a long time, including a mayor. HERVEPA May 2015 #10

I'm somewhat amused by the notion SickOfTheOnePct May 2015 #6

"It could be that he completely understands and still just doesn't agree with you." friendly_iconoclast May 2015 #142

I thought Bernie was all for letting each state handle their own specific gun laws. Hiraeth May 2015 #145

I am not a one issue voter. HappyMe May 2015 #7

I think he understands. boston bean May 2015 #8

Much closer to a Democrat than Hillary has ever been. Dawgs May 2015 #15

I don't agree that Hillary is less of a democrat. boston bean May 2015 #21

You make a good point. The definition of Democrat seems to have changed since the DLC became rhett o rick May 2015 #37

Then you either don't know Bernie or you don't know the history of the Democratic party. Dawgs May 2015 #40

Really. My choice in democratic politics boston bean May 2015 #45

I went looking to see if he had any statements on gun violence other than a pro gun voting record Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #9

+100000000000000. ^THIS^ misterhighwasted May 2015 #12

It's a deal breaker for me Brainstormy May 2015 #19

Same here. Thanks DU for enlightening us. misterhighwasted May 2015 #27

One shouldn't be pro gun lobby either, imho. boston bean May 2015 #43

Yes we did. misterhighwasted May 2015 #49

Should Ford be sued if a drunk driver kills someone while driving an F150? jeff47 May 2015 #54

Do you think gun manufacturers need special immunity from prosecution? DanTex May 2015 #71

It's not prosecution. It's a civil suit. jeff47 May 2015 #78

Good point. Do you think they need special civil immunity? It looks like you do! DanTex May 2015 #83

Apparently, you think bankrupting victims of gun violence is a good idea. jeff47 May 2015 #90

That is an insane argument. Literally you want to "protect" people by denying them access DanTex May 2015 #95

Do you want a Special Exception made for plaintiff lawyers? That's what the law prevents. Eleanors38 May 2015 #86

Umm, what? The law doesn't "prevent" a "special exemption". It creates one. DanTex May 2015 #89

Sorry, dead wrong. Read the court cases & rulings Before the law. nt Eleanors38 May 2015 #100

LOL. You've been to the NRA's legal library have you? DanTex May 2015 #104

Ah, back to the labels & tags. Read the history and the rulings... Eleanors38 May 2015 #147

Not great special immunity sarisataka May 2015 #110

OK, so you think they need "ungreat" special immunity? DanTex May 2015 #111

I would support limited immunity sarisataka May 2015 #113

At least making a general law that isn't specific to the gun industry would be less obviously wrong. DanTex May 2015 #116

I'm not sure on Bernie yet sarisataka May 2015 #118

Does Ford have a car called cop killer? n/t Exilednight May 2015 #135

The Police Interceptor was discontinued. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #136

He joined 69 Democrats in the House in voting against the Brady Bill. NYC_SKP May 2015 #65

He does support gun control. Sanders Votes for Background Checks, Assault Weapons Ban Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #11

Why is this a smear! I align with many many American voters who want misterhighwasted May 2015 #18

OK but Bernie voted for expanded background checks, and the assault weapons ban Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #25

LOL..A Bernie supporter on DU pointed out that Bernie didn't need to evolve. misterhighwasted May 2015 #31

What should he say when you tell him that aproximately 922780 of those deaths are self inflicted? beevul May 2015 #13

Bernie voted for universal background checks after Sandy Hook. aikoaiko May 2015 #16

6 out of ten gun deaths are suicides cali May 2015 #22

Great to see you realize that not only American lives have value. DanTex May 2015 #77

Of "education" on gun issues, the special exception sought by banners is a worthy start... Eleanors38 May 2015 #85

But the Japanese do find a way, sans guns. Eleanors38 May 2015 #88

He is a politician who knows his base. NCTraveler May 2015 #23

It's a tertiary issue at best.. Oktober May 2015 #24

I heard his answer last night - he is aware of the fact that up until now he represented the state jwirr May 2015 #26

I watched that too and I'm comfortable with what he said. nt Snotcicles May 2015 #28

+1 deutsey May 2015 #30

That is an excellent answer BrotherIvan May 2015 #34

It was on MSNBC last night but I don't remember which of the programs. jwirr May 2015 #50

Chris Hayes had him on; I saw it and he did say that. Nn/t ms liberty May 2015 #125

What sick narcissism allows Americans to only ever count American deaths? whatchamacallit May 2015 #29

Counting numbers of Americans killed in American wars NuclearDem May 2015 #41

If the point of the stats is to prove American gun violence whatchamacallit May 2015 #55

No, it's to illustrate how gun violence in this country over only 50 years NuclearDem May 2015 #72

Context whatchamacallit May 2015 #81

No, it's not. NuclearDem May 2015 #98

We're talking American politics so yes the poster is correct yeoman6987 May 2015 #61

Pointless distinction whatchamacallit May 2015 #66

What do we need to teach him? arcane1 May 2015 #32

his record is mixed because his votes are nuanced. magical thyme May 2015 #33

That's rather presumptuous. What if he honestly disagrees with you on the issue? Throd May 2015 #38

Which candidate has to evolve toward the others positions? AgingAmerican May 2015 #39

"More Americans have died from guns since 1968 than all wars COMBINED" AgingAmerican May 2015 #42

"Americans" Cali_Democrat May 2015 #48

Huh, what? AgingAmerican May 2015 #51

You're welcome, buddy. nt Cali_Democrat May 2015 #52

a good bet would be that a good portion of the 16M figure boston bean May 2015 #53

Actually, no. Disease killed more than guns or bombs. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #56

Thanks for the info. boston bean May 2015 #57

That was the case in the Spanish-American War, and perhaps WWI. Eleanors38 May 2015 #91

Basically, all of the wars involving the US until WWII. jeff47 May 2015 #92

What huh? AgingAmerican May 2015 #60

No. boston bean May 2015 #62

I thought this is an interesting fact. The statistics on gun deaths was from 1968. Thinkingabout May 2015 #84

Since that time, gun deaths have gone down; while population has gone up. Eleanors38 May 2015 #93

It is too many deaths by guns. Are you thinking gun deaths isxa population control? Thinkingabout May 2015 #94

Gosh, I think fewer gun deaths would be a good thing. Sheesh... Eleanors38 May 2015 #99

Sanders is NOT against gun control or... Whiskeytide May 2015 #44

Re: confusing foreign aid amendment that Sanders, Kerry, Klobuchar, Feingold, et al, voted Yes on: NYC_SKP May 2015 #63

You realize the bulk of those deaths before WWII were due to infectious diseases, right? (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #46

No. People need to be calm and read up on what he actually voted for and against. NYC_SKP May 2015 #47

The NRA gives him an "F". It doesn't get lower than that ...but enjoy the ranting. L0oniX May 2015 #58

Not sure we should be using the NRA rating as a guide. yellowcanine May 2015 #67

Is it lower than being a war hawk? L0oniX May 2015 #70

Not the question, is it now? Nice diversion from the topic at hand though. yellowcanine May 2015 #73

Total deaths... including suicides? LittleBlue May 2015 #68

I think Bernie Sanders has probably seen what passes for "edumacation" on this... Eleanors38 May 2015 #69

To the OP can you show where gun laws WDIM May 2015 #74

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #107

The UK and Australia. NuclearDem May 2015 #109

If I accidentally eat a product containing peanut I guess I should sue every peanut farmer that Autumn May 2015 #75

The cult of personality thing is going on here Cali_Democrat May 2015 #82

I don't see that but I don't know who or what gunners are, I have those groups trashed. Autumn May 2015 #96

"Cult of personality?" Never met the guy. I like Warren, too. But her gun record is not good... Eleanors38 May 2015 #97

Uh, no. That's not what the lawsuits against manufacturers were about. NuclearDem May 2015 #108

Maybe He Knows HassleCat May 2015 #79

After Heller, is there must legislating that can be done on gun control? CanadaexPat May 2015 #87

Not at all sarisataka May 2015 #103

Thanks. CanadaexPat May 2015 #115

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He's got a tough enough row to hoe as it is. PeteSelman May 2015 #114

National Interest Koinos May 2015 #119

The Green Party Koinos May 2015 #120

Thank you, Koinos! Cali_Democrat May 2015 #121

You're Welcome! Koinos May 2015 #124

And it's my time to tell you rule by Goldman Sachs has to end now. mmonk May 2015 #123

I like your sig line. Robert Kennedy was quite special. Koinos May 2015 #127

People can evolve etherealtruth May 2015 #126

John Dewey Koinos May 2015 #128

Another U of M Alum ... etherealtruth May 2015 #130

Thank you for the kind welcome. Koinos May 2015 #131

Education requires knowledge above emotion seveneyes May 2015 #132

Bernie needs to see the light, Bernie needs to be educated. GGJohn May 2015 #139

Got to love that talk. Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #146

Agreed, but I also think suing gun manufacturers is weird and inappropriate. Bonobo May 2015 #141

I think Bernie knows more than I do. Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #144

The issue isn't insignificant. But it's mostly an issue for Congress. True Blue Door May 2015 #148