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TM99

(8,352 posts)
25. You been living under a rock?
Fri May 8, 2015, 12:55 AM
May 2015

Wikipedia to start -

Post recount

On January 6, 2001, a joint session of Congress met to certify the electoral vote. Twenty members of the House of Representatives, most of them Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus, rose one-by-one to file objections to the electoral votes of Florida. However, according to an 1877 law, any such objection had to be sponsored by both a representative and a senator. No senator would co-sponsor these objections, deferring to the Supreme Court's ruling. Therefore, Gore, who presided in his capacity as President of the Senate, ruled each of these objections out of order.[64]

Subsequently, the joint session of Congress certified the electoral votes from all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Bush took the oath of office on January 20, 2001. He would serve for the next eight years. Gore declined to run for president in 2004 and 2008.

The first independent recount was conducted by the Miami Herald and USA Today. The commission found that under most recount scenarios, Bush would have won the election, but Gore would have won using the most generous standards.[65]

Ultimately, a media consortium—comprising the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Tribune Co. (parent of the Los Angeles Times), Associated Press, CNN, Palm Beach Post and St. Petersburg Times[66]—hired the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago[67] to examine 175,010 ballots that were collected from the entire state, not just the disputed counties that were discounted; these ballots contained undervotes (votes with no choice made for president) and overvotes (votes made with more than one choice marked). Their goal was to determine the reliability and accuracy of the systems used for the voting process. The NORC concluded that if the disputes over the validity of all the ballots statewide in question had been consistently resolved and any uniform standard applied, the electoral result would have been reversed and Gore would have won by 107–115 votes if only two of the three coders had to agree on the ballot. When counting ballots wherein all three coders agreed, Gore would have won the most restrictive scenario by 127 votes and Bush would have won the most inclusive scenario by 110 votes. Inclusive in media reporting likely refers to including the undervotes (only) as these people were then included in the vote. Whether overvotes were truly nullified in counts is not known.[68]

Subsequent analyses cast further doubt on conclusions that Bush likely would have won anyway, had the U.S. Supreme Court not intervened. An analysis of the NORC data by University of Pennsylvania researcher Steven F. Freeman and journalist Joel Bleifuss concluded that a recount of all uncounted votes using any standard (inclusive, strict, statewide or county by county), Gore would have been the victor.[69] Such a statewide review including all uncounted votes was a very real possibility, as Leon County Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis, whom the Florida Supreme Court had assigned to oversee the statewide recount, had scheduled a hearing for December 13 (mooted by the U.S. Supreme Court's final ruling on the 12th) to consider the question of including overvotes as well as undervotes, and subsequent statements by Judge Lewis and internal court documents support the likelihood of including overvotes in the recount.[70] Florida State University professor of public policy Lance deHaven-Smith observed that, even considering only undervotes, "under any of the five most reasonable interpretations of the Florida Supreme Court ruling, Gore does, in fact, more than make up the deficit".[71] Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting's analysis of the NORC study and media coverage of it supports these interpretations and criticizes the coverage of the study by media outlets such as the New York Times and the other media consortium members.[66]


This link details all of the myths and if you take the time to read all links in it, you will see that your opinion is not factual and is quite ignorant.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth

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Ralph Nader outlines 2016 plan [View all] onehandle May 2015 OP
"We discuss issues. They discuss us." merrily May 2015 #1
"a criteria"? Ralph needs some English lessons. Oh, and also, he should shut up. HERVEPA May 2015 #2
you tell 'em, Einstein. (eom) CanSocDem May 2015 #4
Ralph is an ass who is responsible for a lot of bad things in this country. HERVEPA May 2015 #11
Are we talking about the same person here...??? CanSocDem May 2015 #13
Yeh, I'm talking about fucker who if he had dropped out would have saved HERVEPA May 2015 #16
So you are basing your opinion TM99 May 2015 #18
Disproven myth??????????? Care to cite your proof? HERVEPA May 2015 #23
You been living under a rock? TM99 May 2015 #25
Your response is totally unresponsice to my point. HERVEPA May 2015 #27
Yes, actually, it totally disputes your TM99 May 2015 #28
Nope HERVEPA May 2015 #37
So typical - TM99 May 2015 #38
Jury results: 1-6 Electric Monk May 2015 #29
I'm surprised it wasn't 0-7 Capt. Obvious May 2015 #43
97,000 Floridians voted for Nader. 308,000 Florida Democrats voted for Bush. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #50
I really do not care what Nader's plans are Gothmog May 2015 #3
Bwahahahah... 99Forever May 2015 #5
As long as his plans don't include intentionally or unintentionally getting a Republican elected... stevenleser May 2015 #6
Not too long ago he was hyping up Rand Paul BainsBane May 2015 #9
I saw that. Nader and Code Pink both. It's disappointing. I keep telling those folks that stevenleser May 2015 #12
Why would I care what his plans are. HappyMe May 2015 #7
At this point he's become the cranky, old uncle at Thanksgiving BainsBane May 2015 #8
Yup. Farting and looking around like he ain't the one who dealt it. n/t Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #33
Heard he was a Rand Paulite Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2015 #10
Fuck Ralph Nader. Itchinjim May 2015 #14
+1000 FLPanhandle May 2015 #15
** 1000 HERVEPA May 2015 #17
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That may be a compliment. merrily May 2015 #30
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Hope it involves a giant enema. tavernier May 2015 #21
It is interesting... Chellee May 2015 #22
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...200,000 Florida Democrats had not voted for Bush Scootaloo May 2015 #31
Fuck Ralph Nadar. DURHAM D May 2015 #26
This is the problem... CanSocDem May 2015 #41
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Two years ago, I was standing next to him in Washington DFW May 2015 #36
Just ignore the fool n2doc May 2015 #39
Nader resonates with people to this day. NCTraveler May 2015 #40
I don't know why that is so surprising. TM99 May 2015 #42
They are and I have often supported him. NCTraveler May 2015 #47
Your post was not clear in the sea of derision TM99 May 2015 #48
Nader and his supporters in 2000 are a big reason why we're in the situation we are now. Renew Deal May 2015 #44
Zero fucks given what Ralph Nader has to say on any subject. True Blue Door May 2015 #45
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Here's the real Ralph Nader in a nutshell: DefenseLawyer May 2015 #49
Nader is the best thing that ever happened to the workinclasszero May 2015 #51
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