But, McCamy, watch this speech: (Reply #37)

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JDPriestly (57,936 posts)

37. But, McCamy, watch this speech:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12805180

Sorry, but Bernie doesn't have to apologize. Why support a candidate who has to apologize, whether Byrd or Hillary when you have a candidate that is smart, most often right in his judgment even on complex foreign policy issues and can speak with moral authority, authenticity, a candidate we can trust through and through.

Again. Watch this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12805180

It's Bernie and he is the best qualified to be president in 2016. Authentic, honest and very, very wise. No need to apologize. And if he does need to apologize about something, he will be ready to do it.

Bernie is our candidate for 2016. I'm just amazed at this speech.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12805180

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106 replies	Author	Time	Post
Clinton Supporters, You Have GOT To Check Out This Thread [View all]	McCamy Taylor	May 2015	OP
You really think you got a winner with that argument? nt	Bonobo	May 2015	#1
There's a first time for everything. n/t	winter is coming	May 2015	#2
I think you would have been better quoting Kennedy if your point was "Clinton cant change."	McCamy Taylor	May 2015	#3
Nope, not equivalent at all. nt	Bonobo	May 2015	#8
But, McCamy, watch this speech:	JDPriestly	May 2015	#37
You think your question reveals a flaw in the argument?	pnwmom	May 2015	#17
Honestly I do not because the false equivalence is so vast and the gulf in remorse so unbridgeable.	Bonobo	May 2015	#20
If we can't forgive and believe Byrd changed from the KKK and give him the benefit of	roguevalley	May 2015	#23
They are desperate.	woo me with science	May 2015	#30
Awesome post woo me with science. Thanks for collecting all this stuff in one place.	Cheese Sandwich	May 2015	#80
Actually, she does. Google "double standard."	leftofcool	May 2015	#53
After you google "the price of tea in China". nt	Bonobo	May 2015	#57
Whoever chose to use Byrd as an example to show up Hillary	treestar	May 2015	#82
Byrd's words and actions wrt the Iraqi War resolution are what matters...	Bonobo	May 2015	#84
to some it was "only a vote and it doesn't make a difference"	neverforget	May 2015	#91
Good grief. So amusing.	merrily	May 2015	#4
Bernie on the job defending the makers of Bushmaster XM15-E2S and Glock and you forgive this?????	workinclasszero	May 2015	#66
Comparing that to Iraq?	merrily	May 2015	#68
...	NanceGreggs	May 2015	#5
When she shows some genuine soul-searching growth from her part in that slaughter...	Bonobo	May 2015	#10
Political calculation?! Who? Hillary? Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman!	InAbLuEsTaTe	May 2015	#14
ALL politicians calculate	MaggieD	May 2015	#18
Yes, the propaganda has reached a point of trying to NORMALIZE monied corruption of the system.	woo me with science	May 2015	#33
Third way posts?	MaggieD	May 2015	#34
Yes, but Bernie doesn't "calculate" by pulling a 180 everytime the "political wind" starts to blow in the other direction. That's the difference with Bernie...WYSIWYG	InAbLuEsTaTe	May 2015	#59
And reducing it to just the Iraq vote. That was bad enough to be sure, all by itself. But it all the	sabrina 1	May 2015	#86
Keep insulting Democrats	BainsBane	May 2015	#62
How come sometimes you say DU has NO influence on the broader world but	Bonobo	May 2015	#85
It's quite ironic - that's for sure	MaggieD	May 2015	#6
if you can't forgive on and allow growth, you can't forgive the other. simple as that.	roguevalley	May 2015	#24
Meh, a few lynchings, give or take	BainsBane	May 2015	#7
"We can never forgive a woman who voted 13 years ago to authorize a war!"	beevul	May 2015	#9
but she voted for war...	smiley	May 2015	#81
What's that word?	yallerdawg	May 2015	#11
Yea, but if you said it, it would just get poo pooed by the Bernie crowd.	leftofcool	May 2015	#55
Octopi can also change their spots to blend in with their surroundings, unlike leopards.	InAbLuEsTaTe	May 2015	#12
Since HRC represented NY, she should be supporting the people of NY.	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#13
+10000000	MaggieD	May 2015	#15
So it's their fault they didn't hold Bush accountable? They	neverforget	May 2015	#39
WTH are you talking about? Do you think for one second a GOP Congress was going to hold Bush	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#61
So they're blameless for their vote? Powerless to enforce their own laws or votes?	neverforget	May 2015	#63
She has addressed the vote, now are you willing to address the bill passed and understand it was	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#65
Well no shit it's Bush's fault. Do you see me blaming Hillary for Bush's decision? No. She voted	neverforget	May 2015	#67
As your Congressman stated:	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#69
So Hillary has no responsibility for her vote?	neverforget	May 2015	#70
I thought we had already discussed this but if we dod not her statement was	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#72
Well she is the one running for President now so she is going to get called out on it. It's	neverforget	May 2015	#73
I thought I had heard Bernie was running for president and his record will also be examined	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#74
And that's why you don't think about much: we're talking about Hillary. Not Bernie.	neverforget	May 2015	#75
I did not realize GD was restricted to talking about only Hillary. But thanks for	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#77
You can change the subject all you want if you don't want to talk about Hillary. I understand	neverforget	May 2015	#79
As I saw in another thread today, it waa only a vote and it doesn't make any difference.	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#83
Wow! Really???? That's a pretty cavalier attitude to the men and women who were killed in	neverforget	May 2015	#87
I thought it was also.	Thinkingabout	May 2015	#88
Yeah that's why you repeated that disgusting attitude.	neverforget	May 2015	#89
That's the correct history, not the revisionist one where they get to blame her and others	stevenleser	May 2015	#90
Revisionist? about what? She voted for the IWR	neverforget	May 2015	#94
As I have said many times here that doesn't work	stevenleser	May 2015	#95
The UN did it so it's okay! How many UN troops went to Iraq under the UN flag?	neverforget	May 2015	#96
Just the opposite. It is you who want to condemn one group but not the other and	stevenleser	May 2015	#97
Give me an f'ing break. Admit to what? That Clinton voted for IWR and was wrong	neverforget	May 2015	#98
I have multiple links backing up my story and you have nothing.	stevenleser	May 2015	#99
Uh huh. Don't quit your day job	neverforget	May 2015	#100
Politics is my day job. You might want to look into actually researching the facts	stevenleser	May 2015	#101
I just read her speech.....AGAIN.	neverforget	May 2015	#102
Fact is it worked for the intended result. The UN weapons inspection teams were let in	stevenleser	May 2015	#103
Lol. it sure did as the authorization for war worked too.	neverforget	May 2015	#104
No, that was not the intent and that's obvious from the wording and its also	stevenleser	May 2015	#105
Bush is responsible for the war. But I get can't over the fact that those who voted for the IWR	neverforget	May 2015	#106
Any Obama fans?	yallerdawg	May 2015	#16
Let 'em vote for Rand. He's only for bombing Israel's neighbors and going back into Iraq. Our hero!	freshwest	May 2015	#19
Senator Byrd was not defined by a single vote.	MelungeonWoman	May 2015	#21
Tell us which votes	MaggieD	May 2015	#35
If Hillary clearly establishes that she has changed	dreamnightwind	May 2015	#22
You are so eloquent and that is precisely, precisely how I feel.	Bonobo	May 2015	#25
Not sure that she hasn't in some way indicated she regrets her vote	dreamnightwind	May 2015	#28
DUers conveniently forget they voted for a president who has perpertuated war for the last 6 yrs nt	msongs	May 2015	#26
Exactly. He just didn't ask for congressional approval.	RiverLover	May 2015	#47
Wouldn't support Byrd for presidency. Sorry.	Scootaloo	May 2015	#27
Yeah, he's out of the running for me too. nt	Bonobo	May 2015	#29
Wouldn't HAVE supported him, then	Scootaloo	May 2015	#31
Oh. Yeah, me too.	Bonobo	May 2015	#32
yeah, not quite sure of the argument being made	Scootaloo	May 2015	#42
Ha ha ha ha. So funny! nt	Bonobo	May 2015	#43
"pretty sure citizenship lapses after death."	Spitfire of ATJ	May 2015	#36
McCamy, may I quote your journal entry on this subject (The Iraq War)?	Bonobo	May 2015	#38
amazing how it's our fault we didn't stop them but those in Congress	neverforget	May 2015	#40
Yup, it's all on us.	Bonobo	May 2015	#41
False Equivalency Fail!	TM99	May 2015	#44
Yes, but even more of a logic fail...	Bonobo	May 2015	#46
Oh, I definitely agree.	TM99	May 2015	#48
I said the same in #20, but yes, it's comparing apples to apple orchards. nt	Bonobo	May 2015	#49
How about her listening to Teddy Kennedy or Pat Leahy? Gonna try to slam either of them?	cali	May 2015	#45
Her vote on the Iraq War Resolution isn't really the problem	Motown_Johnny	May 2015	#50
I don't want my next President following any KKKers advice, thank you.	leftofcool	May 2015	#51
Wow.	TM99	May 2015	#56
Well she did consider Byrd a “friend and mentor”. n/t	PoliticAverse	May 2015	#78
This is a good observation and well stated.	leftofcool	May 2015	#52
it's not just that one vote. it's a decades long tendency toward being an armchair warhawk	magical thyme	May 2015	#54
...	99Forever	May 2015	#58
HRC's Iraq vote..	sendero	May 2015	#60
This message was self-deleted by its author	frylock	May 2015	#64
That sure is a lot of mind reading and projecting you got going there!	Rex	May 2015	#71
Irony abounds.	ucrdem	May 2015	#76
On other words, for Hillary, political calculation was more important.	Bonobo	May 2015	#92
I don't need to see her to ritually disembowel herself, no,	ucrdem	May 2015	#93

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