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Oktober

(1,488 posts)
80. Politics and politicians are real...
Fri May 8, 2015, 06:52 AM
May 2015

You can make a case that an attack against an actual individual was out of line.

How can you cross a line on a figment of imagination?

Fuck her and the train she came on! trumad May 2015 #1
Sorry, not buying it marym625 May 2015 #2
I don't care about her, I care about freedom. Yorktown May 2015 #5
I am 100% for the right for people like her to be swine that they are marym625 May 2015 #28
For Pete's sake, forget Geller. The problem is the ban on blasphemy Yorktown May 2015 #32
You have too much in your post to ignore it marym625 May 2015 #35
No, the initial confusion due to the misleading original title is fading Yorktown May 2015 #44
Yet you target only one religion..... daleanime May 2015 #43
Refer to the original text PS: no religion is blameless Yorktown May 2015 #46
While I personally will always take the chance to mock any religion... Oktober May 2015 #75
In the same way that you do not care about her kcr May 2015 #30
did she announce or post something to inform the attendees of her hateful event notadmblnd May 2015 #53
UNREC CrawlingChaos May 2015 #3
There's nothing about her I can see or care to defend. babylonsister May 2015 #4
Again, this post says: let's forget about her. She is not the issue. Yorktown May 2015 #6
Then change your title. nt babylonsister May 2015 #7
OK, in defense of blasphemous caricatures Yorktown May 2015 #9
You gotta right to defend haters. 99Forever May 2015 #8
OK, OK, I'll change the title Yorktown May 2015 #10
Your post, your choice. 99Forever May 2015 #13
Well, de facto, you defend the censors. Yorktown May 2015 #14
Hey, if that's what you wnat to believe, enjoy. 99Forever May 2015 #49
No, no, no. There's no defense of her. kcr May 2015 #11
I changed the thread title, not the text Yorktown May 2015 #12
Okay, but the discussion has been about Pam Geller and what she did. n/t kcr May 2015 #18
only due to a misleading original title Yorktown May 2015 #20
Um. But aren't you the OP? n/t kcr May 2015 #21
The OP stands. The text is unchanged. Yorktown May 2015 #23
Ok. Then my post stands unchanged, too. kcr May 2015 #24
Well then, we disagree. I refuse stealth blasphemy laws. Yorktown May 2015 #47
Yeah, having brushed aside Geller kcr May 2015 #56
LOL. The "little beef I have with Islam" Yorktown May 2015 #58
Lets just go around insulting people and call it free speech LeftInTX May 2015 #15
Good idea... Fumesucker May 2015 #17
ideologies are not people. religious demands deserve no respect. Yorktown May 2015 #22
Muhammad can't be insulted. He's dead. Coventina May 2015 #60
If only religious types could agree with you Yorktown May 2015 #63
She insulted Muslims LeftInTX May 2015 #93
She may have insulted Muslims, but not with cartoons of Muhammad. Coventina May 2015 #94
In point of fact, one can. Have you ever read the Rude Pundit, e.g.? WinkyDink May 2015 #103
+1000 beam me up scottie May 2015 #136
It is - we have the First Amendment right to insult people treestar May 2015 #204
You must respect religion or you deserve eternal torture! Fumesucker May 2015 #16
I hope you are not suspecting me of unbelief? Yorktown May 2015 #19
Emo Philips naiils it.. Fumesucker May 2015 #25
A very 'moving' story (with a downward direction) Yorktown May 2015 #26
I am Catholic. When piss Jesus 840high May 2015 #27
Exactly the point I was trying to make Yorktown May 2015 #33
These events do not occur in a vacuum CrawlingChaos May 2015 #34
The Muslims are doing their share - I don't 840high May 2015 #39
unbelievably ignorant statement CrawlingChaos May 2015 #50
You must live in a cave if 840high May 2015 #54
I know right? And have you heard??? CrawlingChaos May 2015 #65
there is no 'muslim' anger Yorktown May 2015 #40
Well sure, what could they possibly have to be angry about? CrawlingChaos May 2015 #51
Unlike what you appear to think, 1.6Bn muslims are not an homogeneous body Yorktown May 2015 #57
the radicals are doing a lot in many countries samsingh May 2015 #45
"Where in the world are Catholics being subjected to the equivalent of what is happening to Muslims? oberliner May 2015 #68
No pockets of anti-Christian persecution can compare to Western Imperialism CrawlingChaos May 2015 #70
You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner May 2015 #72
OMG - try harder CrawlingChaos May 2015 #73
No pockets of anti-Christian persecution can compare to Western Imperialism?? Really??? Yorktown May 2015 #77
Please describe where... CrawlingChaos May 2015 #82
Under jihadi rule!!! n/t Yo_Mama May 2015 #229
Guess how many billions of Muslims have never killed anyone. nt greyl May 2015 #67
However, they subscribe to a faith... Oktober May 2015 #76
Plus the fact many muslims only know their faith second hand Yorktown May 2015 #79
Most Muslims don't either. treestar May 2015 #201
IMHO, blasphemy is not only a freedom, it is obligatory. longship May 2015 #29
Blasphemy is obligatory IF someone tries to stop you from doing it Yorktown May 2015 #36
Well, there are plenty of people trying to stop blasphemy. longship May 2015 #48
True, but you also need to look at the event in context. RandySF May 2015 #31
Forget the context, forget Geller: my point is on free speech Yorktown May 2015 #37
So posting offensive caricatures ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #106
Yes, absolutely Yorktown May 2015 #125
There is no "need" to post blasphemous caricatures. NanceGreggs May 2015 #38
Were the Charlie Hebdo people Pamela geller? Yorktown May 2015 #42
One has a right ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #52
Well, some DU'rs here support tacit blasphemy laws. Yorktown May 2015 #59
We, as a nation ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #61
We, as a nation ... Yorktown May 2015 #62
... NanceGreggs May 2015 #64
... but no cigar Yorktown May 2015 #66
Yr seething about the BBC choosing to be culturally sensitive?? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #78
I am not a nationalist Yorktown May 2015 #83
And I am not a British citizen... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #86
Fine then, you are in denial .. Yorktown May 2015 #123
Has it occurred to you that the entire world isn't obsessed with drawing fucking Mohammed? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #150
Has it occured tyo you it's a topic of the week? Yorktown May 2015 #153
So's Pam Geller, but you've been demanding people forget about her... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #156
LOL what a deft discussionist you are Yorktown May 2015 #167
So I take that as 'nope, I never posted anything condemning the sacking of that cartoonist' Violet_Crumble May 2015 #178
Well why don't you use the N word - don't you have to in order treestar May 2015 #205
the N word is directed to the nature of people, religion is not Yorktown May 2015 #232
People who want to see it can go and find it treestar May 2015 #206
"Let people find it elsewhere" is a nice cover for censorship Yorktown May 2015 #234
It's not censorship treestar May 2015 #235
What a straw man treestar May 2015 #203
"tacit laws" means unwritten rules which are enforced by fear Yorktown May 2015 #233
There is no need for any US citizen to disrespect anyone's political beliefs either oberliner May 2015 #69
One's religious beliefs ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #71
Politics and politicians are real... Oktober May 2015 #80
Whether you believe that another's deity ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #95
What is wrong with mocking folks who believe in something they've never seen... Oktober May 2015 #96
What's wrong with NOT mocking such folks? NanceGreggs May 2015 #100
Just trying to move humanity beyond the dark ages... Oktober May 2015 #108
And mocking the religious beliefs of others ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #110
Absolutely... Oktober May 2015 #111
So ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #113
Different categories... Oktober May 2015 #114
Well, you just go ahead and do that ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #116
I doubt I will see it... Oktober May 2015 #121
A thousand years from now ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #122
Hey, you're pessimistic... Oktober May 2015 #124
Hopefully, religion will be gone in one or two millenia Yorktown May 2015 #129
Yeah, that'll happen. n/t NanceGreggs May 2015 #172
Probably, and hopefully, yes. Yorktown May 2015 #177
Religion has existed since the dawn of time ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #179
Cannibalism has existed since the dawn of time.. Yorktown May 2015 #181
... NanceGreggs May 2015 #182
You could choose to do that politely treestar May 2015 #208
You claimed that scientologists are inferior to other believers. beam me up scottie May 2015 #157
Where did I say ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #164
Most athiests I know declare them all equally "unreal". PeaceNikki May 2015 #166
If only that were true.... PeaceNikki May 2015 #81
I didn't deny ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #97
It makes them fair game for criticism and mockery. PeaceNikki May 2015 #98
Religion is not something you fight ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #101
Oh bull. They politicize from the pulpit and fund issues and politicians to push their dogma. PeaceNikki May 2015 #102
Yeah, okay, whatever. NanceGreggs May 2015 #105
You just insulted scientolgists by saying they weren't part of a religion. beam me up scottie May 2015 #141
I didn't mock Scientology. NanceGreggs May 2015 #158
Is Mormonism "real"? Are there any other "not real" religions? PeaceNikki May 2015 #159
You judged all scientolgists because you met a few you didn't like. beam me up scottie May 2015 #161
Where did I say ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #162
You scolded people for mocking one religion but see nothing wrong with what you said? beam me up scottie May 2015 #169
If you think that's EXACTLY what Pammy Geller does you don't much much about Geller... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #163
I don't see much difference between her and other bigots. beam me up scottie May 2015 #168
Not every single religious person feels exactly the same treestar May 2015 #210
You must think I'm an idiot. As an athiest, I'm a minority. I know lots of religious people. PeaceNikki May 2015 #212
Your prior post did seem to apply a very broad brush treestar May 2015 #213
Who said anything about "refusing to speak or associate with" them"? PeaceNikki May 2015 #214
Well then I take that back treestar May 2015 #217
By the way, have you seen the laws being passed regarding reproductive choice? PeaceNikki May 2015 #215
Do you have to take everything at its most possible worst intent treestar May 2015 #218
"Nasty"? "Attack"? What the fuck? PeaceNikki May 2015 #220
geez I am on the same fucking side as you are treestar May 2015 #221
Are you completely unaware of the legislation restricting access to abortion? PeaceNikki May 2015 #223
Of course they read DU, PeaceNikki. beam me up scottie May 2015 #225
If we'd just stop being so hysterical we could see that Jesus only gives us what we can handle. PeaceNikki May 2015 #226
We should trust the religious to stop themselves from oppressing us. beam me up scottie May 2015 #227
Yes, you are right. Yo_Mama May 2015 #230
We are only guaranteed we will not be arrested and prosecuted for a crime treestar May 2015 #207
There are no blasphemy laws in the United States treestar May 2015 #202
you make good points samsingh May 2015 #41
Unrec obnoxiousdrunk May 2015 #55
America - the land where people NEED to draw Mohammed... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #74
Do not make a post like this ever again oberliner May 2015 #85
I'd make it my sig line, but it maxxed out the word limit n/t Violet_Crumble May 2015 #87
Or what? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #117
Extremist Americans have been known to do some crazy things oberliner May 2015 #119
From your post, it seems like you were the person who felt incited. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #120
Yeah, I'm interested in being filled in on these consequences... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #185
The people who want to prevent speech they don't like scare me more DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #222
The poster IMO was trying to make the point treestar May 2015 #209
I'm a failure as an American. NuclearDem May 2015 #88
Ever made fun of George W Bush? oberliner May 2015 #89
Yeah, but it's just not the same. NuclearDem May 2015 #90
All the time. What's that got to do with insulting minority groups? n/t Violet_Crumble May 2015 #91
I find your attitude insulting to muslims Yorktown May 2015 #127
American Muslims would be offended that I see them as a minority group? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #146
You live in dreamland Yorktown May 2015 #152
Yr not doing too well on the answering questions thing... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #160
Right. Perfect. Protect me then. I'm in the Moloch believing minority. Yorktown May 2015 #165
You do like trying to dictate what people can and can't discuss... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #171
I just try to stay on topic Yorktown May 2015 #175
No, you don't. Yr all over the shop... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #180
Again, you're dancing against the totem pole Yorktown May 2015 #184
Sorry, wrong on all counts... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #188
Nope, I'm dead on target Yorktown May 2015 #189
Maybe off in that dreamland place you spoke of, but not here... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #191
You are in denial or deluded Yorktown May 2015 #193
No I'm not. That post did NOT say you shouldn't 'mock' minorities... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #194
Do tell me what you think your post was saying Yorktown May 2015 #195
Click on it. Then click on the link to the post I was replying to... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #196
Crikey, you sure love going in circles. And you wrote a gem. Yorktown May 2015 #197
Fair lick of the lino, cobber! Violet_Crumble May 2015 #198
1.6 billion people is NOT a minority group. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #128
They are a minority group in the US.... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #143
So, as an atheist, I truly AM a minorty, so Binkie The Clown May 2015 #145
Do you have a tendency to ask really bizarre and random questions? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #148
Is being a minority a free pass? will you protect Moloch? Yorktown May 2015 #154
A free pass from what exactly? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #155
Why are you discriminating against Moloch? Yorktown May 2015 #170
I'll try asking again. What do you think people are getting a 'free pass' from? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #173
Making death threats against people not bound by their laws. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #190
Yr confusing me with someone else. I never said making death threats was okay... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #192
Religion doesn't deserve any extra respect or special rules. Oneironaut May 2015 #84
Damn! So many people have taken you to task here. cbayer May 2015 #92
There is no "need" to post such images. Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #99
TWO incorrect words: "need" AND "blasphemous." There is no "need," and "blasphemous" is relative. WinkyDink May 2015 #104
What a marvelous idea!! guillaumeb May 2015 #107
What Geller did is no different than what Westboro Baptists and the KKK do. beam me up scottie May 2015 #133
she provoked, knowing well that violence might happen. guillaumeb May 2015 #138
How is her provocation any different? beam me up scottie May 2015 #142
So radicals threatening violence win Yorktown May 2015 #187
In a free society, the problem is not Geller but those who will respond with violence. Yo_Mama May 2015 #231
Mockery will force reform. Your attitude is patronizing of muslims. Yorktown May 2015 #135
calling names leads to dialogue? guillaumeb May 2015 #149
And you are perfectly within your rights... 99Forever May 2015 #109
Riiiiight. And Voltaire was a stupid man. Yorktown May 2015 #147
News flash pal. 99Forever May 2015 #199
How about voluntarily not mocking others' beliefs because you aren't an asshole? 6000eliot May 2015 #112
How about recognizing there are sick fucks using religious texts to abuse women and minorities? seveneyes May 2015 #118
Beliefs are either right or wrong Yorktown May 2015 #130
Keep telling yourself that the actions of the Yahoos in Texas was non-violent in intent. 6000eliot May 2015 #151
I still support the First Amendment. I support it for Nazis, and for Pamela Gellar. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #115
I stand with the ACLU. beam me up scottie May 2015 #131
The replies to this thread show clearly that some people Binkie The Clown May 2015 #126
Amen, brother Yorktown May 2015 #132
Man the parapets! okasha May 2015 #134
Are you mocking me? Binkie The Clown May 2015 #137
Don't cry, Binkie. Yorktown May 2015 #140
NO! Hoist the white flag of cartooning Yorktown May 2015 #139
Pick one: I will not mock Mohammed because... Binkie The Clown May 2015 #144
How is drawing Mohamed fighting this danger? treestar May 2015 #211
How is cowering and saying, "yes sir, Mr. Terrorist. We'll do whatever you say" Binkie The Clown May 2015 #216
BTW I always wanted to ask people treestar May 2015 #219
"You may only be as peaceful as your neighbor allows you to be." Binkie The Clown May 2015 #224
Imagine all the popular culture horror movies with pentagrams and covens.... Marrah_G May 2015 #174
What do you believe in? Yorktown May 2015 #176
I believe in not harming others if they offend me :) Marrah_G May 2015 #183
You believe in not harming others if they offend you?? Shame on you. Yorktown May 2015 #186
I don't always blaspheme, but when I do... aka-chmeee May 2015 #200
WELL SAID: "Mrs Geller is the nasty knight of a just cause." Yo_Mama May 2015 #228
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