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jeff47
(26,549 posts)84. You should probably remember that we don't elect a president by popular vote.
As a result, "protest" votes do not affect the outcome in some states.
CA, NY and several other "blue" states will be voting for the Democratic nominee.
TX, AL and several other "red" states will be voting for the Republican nominee.
If you live in those 'safely red' or 'safely blue' states, a protest vote won't change the outcome.
If Clinton is the nominee, she won't win my state, with or without my vote. Democrats win NC when they get massive turnout in the cities, and Clinton won't be able to pull that off. "Status quo" will not get enough turnout in the cities to overwhelm the rural areas of the state. It's how Democrats have lost NC in the last several elections.
O'Malley or Sanders might be able to due to being able to run against the status quo, but it will be difficult for either of them.
As a result, my vote will not swing the presidential election, since all of my state's electors will be voting for the Republican. On the plus side, the Democratic nominee doesn't need NC. There are much easier "swing" states for the Democratic candidate to win that will get them to 270.
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I always vote my conscience. I didn't vote for Bill Clinton and I won't vote for Hillary.
NYC_SKP
May 2015
#1
Hi longship! No, I am not allowed to leave the DU. I will be here for a very very very long time.
NYC_SKP
May 2015
#5
She's actually got a better chance now than she did a week or so back.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
May 2015
#181
HRC will manage to avoid that particular trap if she ends up being the nominee.
seabeyond
May 2015
#182
I've seen that "Vote for HRC or the evil Republicans win!!!" meme trotted out many times.
winter is coming
May 2015
#6
Oh, look, let's blame Nader and not talk about Democrats who voted for Bush in 2000.
winter is coming
May 2015
#25
sure, as nader fucks the repug last election, to get his face on the news.... while wanking with us
seabeyond
May 2015
#61
The number of Dems who voted for Nader is dwarfed by the number who voted for the GOP.
winter is coming
May 2015
#166
That does not matter. The ones that voted Nader would have voted Gore if Nader
Maraya1969
May 2015
#186
Many more Florida Democrats voted for Bush than for Nader; Gore ran a lousy campaign;
merrily
May 2015
#32
Merry Supreme Court and a very happy, healthy and prosperous "Say hello to President Cruz.
merrily
May 2015
#30
" "Vote for HRC or the evil Republicans win!!!" meme" it is a meme? you have a repug and a dem
seabeyond
May 2015
#49
yes. there are a ZILLION difference. they do not matter to you. and you are insisting,
seabeyond
May 2015
#63
so you will advocate not voting if clinton wins. you pump up social issues a must to defend, then
seabeyond
May 2015
#46
It's because I care about social issues, like keeping jobs here, living wages, income equity, that..
NYC_SKP
May 2015
#56
yes. the $. we have a state senator wanting dead fetus to remain in uterus. killing our girls. life
seabeyond
May 2015
#64
do not fuckin tell this democrat, the parties are not different. on a progressive democratic board.
seabeyond
May 2015
#65
ah, is this the reasoning excusing the "others"? she would put someone in the supreme crt
seabeyond
May 2015
#152
And if it is Scott Walker vs HRC you consider them so alike that you wont vote, got it.
NoJusticeNoPeace
May 2015
#108
I have a problem with HRC because in 2002 she turned her back on Democratic Principles
rhett o rick
May 2015
#11
So the only candidate on your radar months before the primaries start is the frontrunner?
winter is coming
May 2015
#141
Let' s see. I say being better than the GOP candidate is an embarrasingly low bar,
winter is coming
May 2015
#156
Nothing against your post, but the increasing use of principals instead of principles...
freshwest
May 2015
#15
I vote for the Democrat in the general no matter how many mistakes they may have made.
leftofcool
May 2015
#27
i do not get those that feel appeased not voting because of "conscience" allowing repug win
seabeyond
May 2015
#37
that is easy for one to say, when it is not their life in danger, just the "others". nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#52
ya. it is bold. we are talking principle, which is war, $ not voting progressive democratic which
seabeyond
May 2015
#60
IF you do not vote 2016, you are kicking a hell of a lot of people to the curb. that you do not see
seabeyond
May 2015
#71
and then, to do it in a thread on principle, defining your principle. as i define mine. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#72
i do not know how to make my position more clear. IF you do not vote democratic 2016, even in
seabeyond
May 2015
#78
i am well aware we do not elect a president by popular vote. i stand by my point.
seabeyond
May 2015
#86
So you stand by your point that every vote counts, after being shown that is false.
jeff47
May 2015
#98
every vote counts is your argument. not mine. argue what i say, not what you want to. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#101
So if their vote does not count, how are they kicking people to the curb by not voting?
jeff47
May 2015
#113
Well, not for any Democrat, anyway. That's been obvious for a very long time. One doesn't just...
freshwest
May 2015
#172
Not just principles. She's a bad campaigner, and would do long-term damage to the Party.
True Blue Door
May 2015
#50
as far as i am concerned. this thread has become perverted in the twisiting of principle.
seabeyond
May 2015
#62
i have st senate who wants girls to carry dead fetus in uterus, governor about to declare war on our
seabeyond
May 2015
#67
POINT with economic populist. the $ is not the ONLY moral issues here. you $ is not the ONLY thing
seabeyond
May 2015
#68
didnt we get bill to control wallstreet a little,been weakened? working on minumum wage increase for
seabeyond
May 2015
#73
It's hard to fathom, in 2015, that some aren't talking about income inequality ...
seabeyond
May 2015
#118
i fail to see the point of this. ok. so? nothing to do with my reply, again. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#132
you are making up an argument, to argue. i have not failed recognizing shit. you are still not
seabeyond
May 2015
#138
It's hard to fathom why there are so many OP's about voting for Hillary for president before
djean111
May 2015
#75
because there are so many populist that advocate not voting for clinton if she wins.
seabeyond
May 2015
#77
I wouldn't worry about that until after the primaries. Right now, it seems like the pledgey thing,
djean111
May 2015
#81
"I said that at this point in time it does not matter." can i not disagree with you? i think...
seabeyond
May 2015
#89
thank you. i am looking forward to all that, also. IF i even take a position on a candidate.
seabeyond
May 2015
#95
i have talked about it often. you are not aware? one would be people advocating not voting dem,
seabeyond
May 2015
#107
that the "other" issues are minor or down right insignificant to economic populism. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#109
i disagree. the supporters define his campaign. i think as a democratic party, we address those
seabeyond
May 2015
#112
"Economic inequality is a big issue." yes it is. if you are black and cant walk down the street
seabeyond
May 2015
#117
advocating not voting. advocating both parties are the same. the principle of. that is the
seabeyond
May 2015
#120
i did not say you were advocating. you are wrong saying it is no sander supporter. look at this
seabeyond
May 2015
#123
i am addressing those within the populist movement in the democratic party that advocate this.
seabeyond
May 2015
#127
i want nothing from you. you are the one continuing this. i continue to be on point. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#130
Our number one driving principal should be to keep a Republican out of the White House.
DCBob
May 2015
#102
I am voting for Hillary because I think she is the most qualified for the job.
hrmjustin
May 2015
#126
I won"t vote for HRC in the primary and if she is the nominee I will refrain from voting for anyone
davidsilver
May 2015
#151
In a general election, I refuse to be forced to choose between a Republican and a Republican Lite
davidsilver
May 2015
#174
you're sittin in a factual lie. the only way to make your story even kinda right is sittin in your $
seabeyond
May 2015
#184