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Violet_Crumble

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180. No, you don't. Yr all over the shop...

Sat May 9, 2015, 12:07 AM

May 2015

1. I don't recall saying all minorities are oppressed and in need of my support, and I certainly don't believe that.
2. What do you mean 'some undefined RW groups'? I said RW Christian fundies are something US Muslims would be in fear of. You appear to have problems with that observation. Why?
3. I don't have a fetish for Pam Geller. You may have noticed that she's a big part of the topic yr insisting we all stick to. I detest bigots and she's a hate-mongering bigot. I'm not sure why yr telling people to forget about her and her role in what happened and what she is.
4. Where did I say you shouldn't 'mock' minorities? You can do it all you want, but the beauty of the free speech thing is people have every right to tell you that they think yr mocking is pretty lame and amateur...

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In defense of the need to post blasphemous caricatures [View all] Yorktown May 2015 OP

Fuck her and the train she came on! trumad May 2015 #1

Sorry, not buying it marym625 May 2015 #2

I don't care about her, I care about freedom. Yorktown May 2015 #5

I am 100% for the right for people like her to be swine that they are marym625 May 2015 #28

For Pete's sake, forget Geller. The problem is the ban on blasphemy Yorktown May 2015 #32

You have too much in your post to ignore it marym625 May 2015 #35

No, the initial confusion due to the misleading original title is fading Yorktown May 2015 #44

Yet you target only one religion..... daleanime May 2015 #43

Refer to the original text PS: no religion is blameless Yorktown May 2015 #46

While I personally will always take the chance to mock any religion... Oktober May 2015 #75

In the same way that you do not care about her kcr May 2015 #30

did she announce or post something to inform the attendees of her hateful event notadmblnd May 2015 #53

UNREC CrawlingChaos May 2015 #3

There's nothing about her I can see or care to defend. babylonsister May 2015 #4

Again, this post says: let's forget about her. She is not the issue. Yorktown May 2015 #6

Then change your title. nt babylonsister May 2015 #7

OK, in defense of blasphemous caricatures Yorktown May 2015 #9

You gotta right to defend haters. 99Forever May 2015 #8

OK, OK, I'll change the title Yorktown May 2015 #10

Your post, your choice. 99Forever May 2015 #13

Well, de facto, you defend the censors. Yorktown May 2015 #14

Hey, if that's what you wnat to believe, enjoy. 99Forever May 2015 #49

No, no, no. There's no defense of her. kcr May 2015 #11

I changed the thread title, not the text Yorktown May 2015 #12

Okay, but the discussion has been about Pam Geller and what she did. n/t kcr May 2015 #18

only due to a misleading original title Yorktown May 2015 #20

Um. But aren't you the OP? n/t kcr May 2015 #21

The OP stands. The text is unchanged. Yorktown May 2015 #23

Ok. Then my post stands unchanged, too. kcr May 2015 #24

Well then, we disagree. I refuse stealth blasphemy laws. Yorktown May 2015 #47

Yeah, having brushed aside Geller kcr May 2015 #56

LOL. The "little beef I have with Islam" Yorktown May 2015 #58

Lets just go around insulting people and call it free speech LeftInTX May 2015 #15

Good idea... Fumesucker May 2015 #17

ideologies are not people. religious demands deserve no respect. Yorktown May 2015 #22

Muhammad can't be insulted. He's dead. Coventina May 2015 #60

If only religious types could agree with you Yorktown May 2015 #63

She insulted Muslims LeftInTX May 2015 #93

She may have insulted Muslims, but not with cartoons of Muhammad. Coventina May 2015 #94

In point of fact, one can. Have you ever read the Rude Pundit, e.g.? WinkyDink May 2015 #103

+1000 beam me up scottie May 2015 #136

It is - we have the First Amendment right to insult people treestar May 2015 #204

You must respect religion or you deserve eternal torture! Fumesucker May 2015 #16

I hope you are not suspecting me of unbelief? Yorktown May 2015 #19

Emo Philips naiils it.. Fumesucker May 2015 #25

A very 'moving' story (with a downward direction) Yorktown May 2015 #26

I am Catholic. When piss Jesus 840high May 2015 #27

Exactly the point I was trying to make Yorktown May 2015 #33

These events do not occur in a vacuum CrawlingChaos May 2015 #34

The Muslims are doing their share - I don't 840high May 2015 #39

unbelievably ignorant statement CrawlingChaos May 2015 #50

You must live in a cave if 840high May 2015 #54

I know right? And have you heard??? CrawlingChaos May 2015 #65

there is no 'muslim' anger Yorktown May 2015 #40

Well sure, what could they possibly have to be angry about? CrawlingChaos May 2015 #51

Unlike what you appear to think, 1.6Bn muslims are not an homogeneous body Yorktown May 2015 #57

the radicals are doing a lot in many countries samsingh May 2015 #45

"Where in the world are Catholics being subjected to the equivalent of what is happening to Muslims? oberliner May 2015 #68

No pockets of anti-Christian persecution can compare to Western Imperialism CrawlingChaos May 2015 #70

You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner May 2015 #72

OMG - try harder CrawlingChaos May 2015 #73

No pockets of anti-Christian persecution can compare to Western Imperialism?? Really??? Yorktown May 2015 #77

Please describe where... CrawlingChaos May 2015 #82

Under jihadi rule!!! n/t Yo_Mama May 2015 #229

Guess how many billions of Muslims have never killed anyone. nt greyl May 2015 #67

However, they subscribe to a faith... Oktober May 2015 #76

Plus the fact many muslims only know their faith second hand Yorktown May 2015 #79

Most Muslims don't either. treestar May 2015 #201

IMHO, blasphemy is not only a freedom, it is obligatory. longship May 2015 #29

Blasphemy is obligatory IF someone tries to stop you from doing it Yorktown May 2015 #36

Well, there are plenty of people trying to stop blasphemy. longship May 2015 #48

True, but you also need to look at the event in context. RandySF May 2015 #31

Forget the context, forget Geller: my point is on free speech Yorktown May 2015 #37

So posting offensive caricatures ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #106

Yes, absolutely Yorktown May 2015 #125

There is no "need" to post blasphemous caricatures. NanceGreggs May 2015 #38

Were the Charlie Hebdo people Pamela geller? Yorktown May 2015 #42

One has a right ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #52

Well, some DU'rs here support tacit blasphemy laws. Yorktown May 2015 #59

We, as a nation ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #61

We, as a nation ... Yorktown May 2015 #62

... NanceGreggs May 2015 #64

... but no cigar Yorktown May 2015 #66

Yr seething about the BBC choosing to be culturally sensitive?? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #78

I am not a nationalist Yorktown May 2015 #83

And I am not a British citizen... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #86

Fine then, you are in denial .. Yorktown May 2015 #123

Has it occurred to you that the entire world isn't obsessed with drawing fucking Mohammed? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #150

Has it occured tyo you it's a topic of the week? Yorktown May 2015 #153

So's Pam Geller, but you've been demanding people forget about her... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #156

LOL what a deft discussionist you are Yorktown May 2015 #167

So I take that as 'nope, I never posted anything condemning the sacking of that cartoonist' Violet_Crumble May 2015 #178

Well why don't you use the N word - don't you have to in order treestar May 2015 #205

the N word is directed to the nature of people, religion is not Yorktown May 2015 #232

People who want to see it can go and find it treestar May 2015 #206

"Let people find it elsewhere" is a nice cover for censorship Yorktown May 2015 #234

It's not censorship treestar May 2015 #235

What a straw man treestar May 2015 #203

"tacit laws" means unwritten rules which are enforced by fear Yorktown May 2015 #233

There is no need for any US citizen to disrespect anyone's political beliefs either oberliner May 2015 #69

One's religious beliefs ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #71

Politics and politicians are real... Oktober May 2015 #80

Whether you believe that another's deity ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #95

What is wrong with mocking folks who believe in something they've never seen... Oktober May 2015 #96

What's wrong with NOT mocking such folks? NanceGreggs May 2015 #100

Just trying to move humanity beyond the dark ages... Oktober May 2015 #108

And mocking the religious beliefs of others ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #110

Absolutely... Oktober May 2015 #111

So ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #113

Different categories... Oktober May 2015 #114

Well, you just go ahead and do that ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #116

I doubt I will see it... Oktober May 2015 #121

A thousand years from now ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #122

Hey, you're pessimistic... Oktober May 2015 #124

Hopefully, religion will be gone in one or two millenia Yorktown May 2015 #129

Yeah, that'll happen. n/t NanceGreggs May 2015 #172

Probably, and hopefully, yes. Yorktown May 2015 #177

Religion has existed since the dawn of time ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #179

Cannibalism has existed since the dawn of time.. Yorktown May 2015 #181

... NanceGreggs May 2015 #182

You could choose to do that politely treestar May 2015 #208

You claimed that scientologists are inferior to other believers. beam me up scottie May 2015 #157

Where did I say ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #164

Most athiests I know declare them all equally "unreal". PeaceNikki May 2015 #166

If only that were true.... PeaceNikki May 2015 #81

I didn't deny ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #97

It makes them fair game for criticism and mockery. PeaceNikki May 2015 #98

Religion is not something you fight ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #101

Oh bull. They politicize from the pulpit and fund issues and politicians to push their dogma. PeaceNikki May 2015 #102

Yeah, okay, whatever. NanceGreggs May 2015 #105

You just insulted scientolgists by saying they weren't part of a religion. beam me up scottie May 2015 #141

I didn't mock Scientology. NanceGreggs May 2015 #158

Is Mormonism "real"? Are there any other "not real" religions? PeaceNikki May 2015 #159

You judged all scientolgists because you met a few you didn't like. beam me up scottie May 2015 #161

Where did I say ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #162

You scolded people for mocking one religion but see nothing wrong with what you said? beam me up scottie May 2015 #169

If you think that's EXACTLY what Pammy Geller does you don't much much about Geller... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #163

I don't see much difference between her and other bigots. beam me up scottie May 2015 #168

Not every single religious person feels exactly the same treestar May 2015 #210

You must think I'm an idiot. As an athiest, I'm a minority. I know lots of religious people. PeaceNikki May 2015 #212

Your prior post did seem to apply a very broad brush treestar May 2015 #213

Who said anything about "refusing to speak or associate with" them"? PeaceNikki May 2015 #214

Well then I take that back treestar May 2015 #217

By the way, have you seen the laws being passed regarding reproductive choice? PeaceNikki May 2015 #215

Do you have to take everything at its most possible worst intent treestar May 2015 #218

"Nasty"? "Attack"? What the fuck? PeaceNikki May 2015 #220

geez I am on the same fucking side as you are treestar May 2015 #221

Are you completely unaware of the legislation restricting access to abortion? PeaceNikki May 2015 #223

Of course they read DU, PeaceNikki. beam me up scottie May 2015 #225

If we'd just stop being so hysterical we could see that Jesus only gives us what we can handle. PeaceNikki May 2015 #226

We should trust the religious to stop themselves from oppressing us. beam me up scottie May 2015 #227

Yes, you are right. Yo_Mama May 2015 #230

We are only guaranteed we will not be arrested and prosecuted for a crime treestar May 2015 #207

There are no blasphemy laws in the United States treestar May 2015 #202

you make good points samsingh May 2015 #41

Unrec obnoxiousdrunk May 2015 #55

America - the land where people NEED to draw Mohammed... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #74

Do not make a post like this ever again oberliner May 2015 #85

I'd make it my sig line, but it maxxed out the word limit n/t Violet_Crumble May 2015 #87

Or what? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #117

Extremist Americans have been known to do some crazy things oberliner May 2015 #119

From your post, it seems like you were the person who felt incited. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #120

Yeah, I'm interested in being filled in on these consequences... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #185

The people who want to prevent speech they don't like scare me more DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #222

The poster IMO was trying to make the point treestar May 2015 #209

I'm a failure as an American. NuclearDem May 2015 #88

Ever made fun of George W Bush? oberliner May 2015 #89

Yeah, but it's just not the same. NuclearDem May 2015 #90

All the time. What's that got to do with insulting minority groups? n/t Violet_Crumble May 2015 #91

I find your attitude insulting to muslims Yorktown May 2015 #127

American Muslims would be offended that I see them as a minority group? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #146

You live in dreamland Yorktown May 2015 #152

Yr not doing too well on the answering questions thing... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #160

Right. Perfect. Protect me then. I'm in the Moloch believing minority. Yorktown May 2015 #165

You do like trying to dictate what people can and can't discuss... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #171

I just try to stay on topic Yorktown May 2015 #175

No, you don't. Yr all over the shop... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #180

Again, you're dancing against the totem pole Yorktown May 2015 #184

Sorry, wrong on all counts... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #188

Nope, I'm dead on target Yorktown May 2015 #189

Maybe off in that dreamland place you spoke of, but not here... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #191

You are in denial or deluded Yorktown May 2015 #193

No I'm not. That post did NOT say you shouldn't 'mock' minorities... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #194

Do tell me what you think your post was saying Yorktown May 2015 #195

Click on it. Then click on the link to the post I was replying to... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #196

Crikey, you sure love going in circles. And you wrote a gem. Yorktown May 2015 #197

Fair lick of the lino, cobber! Violet_Crumble May 2015 #198

1.6 billion people is NOT a minority group. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #128

They are a minority group in the US.... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #143

So, as an atheist, I truly AM a minorty, so Binkie The Clown May 2015 #145

Do you have a tendency to ask really bizarre and random questions? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #148

Is being a minority a free pass? will you protect Moloch? Yorktown May 2015 #154

A free pass from what exactly? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #155

Why are you discriminating against Moloch? Yorktown May 2015 #170

I'll try asking again. What do you think people are getting a 'free pass' from? Violet_Crumble May 2015 #173

Making death threats against people not bound by their laws. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #190

Yr confusing me with someone else. I never said making death threats was okay... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #192

Religion doesn't deserve any extra respect or special rules. Oneironaut May 2015 #84

Damn! So many people have taken you to task here. cbayer May 2015 #92

There is no "need" to post such images. Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #99

TWO incorrect words: "need" AND "blasphemous." There is no "need," and "blasphemous" is relative. WinkyDink May 2015 #104

What a marvelous idea!! guillaumeb May 2015 #107

What Geller did is no different than what Westboro Baptists and the KKK do. beam me up scottie May 2015 #133

she provoked, knowing well that violence might happen. guillaumeb May 2015 #138

How is her provocation any different? beam me up scottie May 2015 #142

So radicals threatening violence win Yorktown May 2015 #187

In a free society, the problem is not Geller but those who will respond with violence. Yo_Mama May 2015 #231

Mockery will force reform. Your attitude is patronizing of muslims. Yorktown May 2015 #135

calling names leads to dialogue? guillaumeb May 2015 #149

And you are perfectly within your rights... 99Forever May 2015 #109

Riiiiight. And Voltaire was a stupid man. Yorktown May 2015 #147

News flash pal. 99Forever May 2015 #199

How about voluntarily not mocking others' beliefs because you aren't an asshole? 6000eliot May 2015 #112

How about recognizing there are sick fucks using religious texts to abuse women and minorities? seveneyes May 2015 #118

Beliefs are either right or wrong Yorktown May 2015 #130

Keep telling yourself that the actions of the Yahoos in Texas was non-violent in intent. 6000eliot May 2015 #151

I still support the First Amendment. I support it for Nazis, and for Pamela Gellar. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #115

I stand with the ACLU. beam me up scottie May 2015 #131

The replies to this thread show clearly that some people Binkie The Clown May 2015 #126

Amen, brother Yorktown May 2015 #132

Man the parapets! okasha May 2015 #134

Are you mocking me? Binkie The Clown May 2015 #137

Don't cry, Binkie. Yorktown May 2015 #140

NO! Hoist the white flag of cartooning Yorktown May 2015 #139

Pick one: I will not mock Mohammed because... Binkie The Clown May 2015 #144

How is drawing Mohamed fighting this danger? treestar May 2015 #211

How is cowering and saying, "yes sir, Mr. Terrorist. We'll do whatever you say" Binkie The Clown May 2015 #216

BTW I always wanted to ask people treestar May 2015 #219

"You may only be as peaceful as your neighbor allows you to be." Binkie The Clown May 2015 #224

Imagine all the popular culture horror movies with pentagrams and covens.... Marrah_G May 2015 #174

What do you believe in? Yorktown May 2015 #176

I believe in not harming others if they offend me :) Marrah_G May 2015 #183

You believe in not harming others if they offend you?? Shame on you. Yorktown May 2015 #186

I don't always blaspheme, but when I do... aka-chmeee May 2015 #200

WELL SAID: "Mrs Geller is the nasty knight of a just cause." Yo_Mama May 2015 #228