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JonLP24

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22. I have big problems with NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB stadium financing
Sat May 9, 2015, 05:07 AM
May 2015

The problem starts with the NFL having leverage over cities because of a fixed supply (closed entry league) of professional sports teams & a very high demand from cities to host a professional sports franchise. They threaten to relocate or in the case with Goddell employ the Super Bowl extortion (Miami, San Diego, Atlanta, & others will never host a Super Bowl until they build a new stadium) to leverage cities/countries/municipals for Sweet Heart deals. Seattle & the state of Washington after building a new Mariners & Seahawks building were dealing with the Sonics asking for a Sweetheart deal. They relocated to Oklahoma City.

Washington actually changed their state law to require fair financing but having difficulty finding the specifics, do recall a longtime effort to build a new one to attract a team -- found this though

Seattle arena deal approved

The County Council approved it unanimously, while the City Council voted 7-2. Both bodies had previously OK'd different versions of the deal.

"This is a very good financial plan here," said County Councilman Reagan Dunn, a Republican who earlier had concerns about the deal. "It's been well thought-through."

Mayor Mike McGinn called the votes important steps toward bringing professional men's basketball back to Seattle. He and King County Executive Dow Constantine were scheduled to sign the deal Tuesday.

Hedge fund manager Chris Hansen is leading a group that wants to build the $490 million arena near the existing Mariners and Seahawks stadiums with $200 million in public financing. The public investment would be paid back with rent money and admissions taxes from the arena, and if that money falls short, Hansen would be responsible for making up the rest. Other investors include Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer and two members of the Nordstrom department store clan.

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Under the deal, the arena proposal will undergo an environmental review that could take a year. The review will also look at whether other sites, including Seattle Center, where KeyArena is, should be considered.

But that's not good enough, members of two International Longshore and Warehouse Union locals said Monday. The agreement between Hansen and the city goes too far by presuming the arena will be built in the neighborhood south of downtown, where increased traffic could choke freight shipments at the Port of Seattle, they said.

By essentially picking the site before an environmental review is done, the deal reverses the steps required by the State Environmental Policy Act, the unions said. They threatened to sue to block the deal once it's signed by McGinn and Constantine.

"The cart's been thrown before the horse here," said Max Vekich, a member of ILWU Local 52 and co-chair of Save Our SoDo Jobs. Using a football metaphor, he added: "We want to throw a red flag here and ask for instant review."

The unions pointed to a previous case in which Seattle approved plans for developing mixed-income housing at Fort Lawton, a former military site near Discovery Park, without providing for proper environmental review under state law. Neighbors in the Magnolia neighborhood sued, and an appeals court blocked the project.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8509900/seattle-arena-deal-gets-final-approval

I don't know of the latest with that except to say this has been in the works for a very long time with the major hiccup being state law not giving enough in public financing. From 2012, if nothing changes, than Seattle could have an arena with no NBA/NHL hoping to attract one. Kansas City built a state-of-the-art arena several years ago hoping to either be awarded a NBA or NHL team but currently have neither. The Sprint Center does regularly host the Big 12 Championship and some big Big 12 rivalry college basketball games but it highlights the demand which the pro leagues (especially under economics major Roger Goddell) take advantage of to fatten their own pockets. The budgets bleeding red ink -- they don't care & nothing can be done unless Congress acts since taxpayers cannot be considered consumers due to precedent for anti-trust lawsuits. The European leagues don't have this problem because of promotion -- relegation plus size of the countries as you see teams playing in the same building & logically paying for renovations & repair rather than building a brand new place at the owners expense (with the exception of the stands collapse where government assisted with a subsidy).

Even if the city/county/state does everything right & does what it is right financially for their budget, the team will pack up & move to a city that will give them the sweet heart deal which furthers worsen the problem because what is more effective than a relocation threat is a relocation example.

I could go on (and have) but you may find this study interesting

January 12, 2012
League Structure & Stadium Rent Seeking
the Role of Antitrust Revisited

http://luc.edu/media/lucedu/law/centers/antitrust/pdfs/publications/workingpapers/haddock_jacobi,_sag__stadium_rent.pdf

This is may favorite site for latest news (there is always something new in the stadium extortion business) from the economics perspective (it really highlights the baffling logic of it all)
http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2012/11/05/4069/goodell-falcons-need-a-new-stadium-because-moneyyyyyyy/

On edit -- I forgot my point, I view the Mayweather fight payout as something very different as it is revenue generated from PPV fights. With no idea where the bout took place (Cowboys Stadium has had some big fights including a Mayweather & undercard title fight which Rigondeaux won) but chances are it was Vegas & with no idea how it was financed (not for anyone fighter & besides they have casinos which take advantage of the supply & demand of tourists with I imagine favorable tax-breaks). People, personally purchasing the fight plus the Showtime-HBO contracts they have their individual exclusive boxer (for promotional reasons and they wouldn't do it if they didn't profit from the expense). Something completely different, not at-all like taxpayers giving millionaire-billionaire owners sweet heart deals to give mostly millionaires full-time employment (which the sweetheart deals across the countries drives up the salaries).

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Whole lotta suckers out there. n/t n2doc May 2015 #1
I know there's inflation but Ali earned about five million for his epic fight with George Foreman. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #3
True. PPV hadn't been invented yet, I think. n2doc May 2015 #4
There was sattelite but no PPV DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #8
There are probably as many parasites in boxing JonLP24 May 2015 #23
A few points... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #25
Don King is who I'd consider a parasite JonLP24 May 2015 #27
King is also the man who convinced Ali who already was exhibiting symptoms of Parkisnon's Disease... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #30
Yes, exactly what I was trying to say JonLP24 May 2015 #32
"Don King talks black, lives white and thinks green." DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #35
Mike Tyson & others say very similar things JonLP24 May 2015 #48
Saw the movie, read the book... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #59
Uh? shenmue May 2015 #2
Except how much do THEY get? Archae May 2015 #5
Mayweather is his own promoter... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #11
is he even alive ? JI7 May 2015 #17
82 and down to promoting B-list fighters JonLP24 May 2015 #29
They're both adults, but one has to ask ... Exilednight May 2015 #6
It seems to be hit or miss when it comes to neurological damage./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #9
True: if you get hard enough you have it. If they miss: you don't. Exilednight May 2015 #10
Yeah, the head wasn't made to be hit./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #12
seemed like everyone other than myself was into it JI7 May 2015 #7
And... our priorities are way wrong nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #13
I have big problems with NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB stadium financing JonLP24 May 2015 #22
I know, we have been writing about it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #46
I've been meaning to get my hands on either of The Field of Schemes JonLP24 May 2015 #50
Here the dance is with the Chargers nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #51
I've been reading about the Chargers for years JonLP24 May 2015 #56
You welcome nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #57
I was pretty sure it was something like that JonLP24 May 2015 #58
Yeah the first step will be when municipalities that can support nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #60
Coyote support was fine when they were at America West Arena JonLP24 May 2015 #64
The more he makes, the more tax we get seveneyes May 2015 #14
He lives in Nevada also, so he won't have to pay state taxes. Calista241 May 2015 #15
a fool and his money.... spanone May 2015 #16
are soon partying... customerserviceguy May 2015 #18
wow Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #19
And to think, all those $100 subscribers had to do was watch this video NobodyHere May 2015 #20
OUTSTANDING!!!! PCIntern May 2015 #47
Supply & demand JonLP24 May 2015 #21
I don't like the guy, I'm not wild about the sport, but . . . Vinca May 2015 #24
Oh noez! 99Forever May 2015 #26
This is why I've avoided the whole mess. RedCappedBandit May 2015 #28
What should the tax rate be on athletes and entertainers? kentuck May 2015 #31
So about 40% of that goes to the US Treasury, Nye Bevan May 2015 #33
Wow! I feel EXACTLY the same way as you. bravenak May 2015 #40
What? melman May 2015 #63
I really don't have as big of a problem with this like I do with other sports. At least boxers are craigmatic May 2015 #34
So they both won and everyone that paid for it lost Johonny May 2015 #36
"Earned" ?? eppur_se_muova May 2015 #37
Not arguing but Mayweather staged and financed the whole thing underpants May 2015 #45
The Showtime and HBO PPV exclusive contracts JonLP24 May 2015 #61
Now his Money team has even more money. bravenak May 2015 #38
Good work if you can get it Telcontar May 2015 #39
It's like anyone in the entertainment business The2ndWheel May 2015 #41
Theater has sparked insurrection and very often lead to progressive change. Boxing, not so Bluenorthwest May 2015 #49
That'll cover a lot of legal expenses in future domestic violence incidents. (nt) Paladin May 2015 #42
And help Manny fund his war against poor women's reproductive choice back home. PeaceNikki May 2015 #44
to put it in perspective... Takket May 2015 #43
that is completely fucked up bowens43 May 2015 #52
Lucky him. Lucky Manny. No one was FORCED to watch their pugilistic performance art... cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #53
The dude's an egomaniac and batterer of women. bluegopher May 2015 #54
Just think, Bill Clinton would have to give 500 speeches at $500 to get this amount of money. Thinkingabout May 2015 #55
Ridiculous, but open, above-board and voluntary. hifiguy May 2015 #62
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