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Scootaloo

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29. You're the one raising naziism first off

Sat May 9, 2015, 07:51 AM

May 2015

I only referred back to it to correct your factually wrong claim that it came to power through democracy. it did not. Hitler reached his position through an appoitnment made possible mostly through threats and intimidation, then expanded and secured his party's total power after the reichstag fire. Democracy had nothing to do with this. So no, despit a (weirdly) popular meme, Hitler was not elected to a damn thing.

Second, you are trying to boil down an extremely complex issue into something that you hope will fit the narrative you have already set up. if the ONLY DIFFERENCE between the United States and the Weimar Republic was free speech laws, you might have a case.

...Except of course that the Weimar Constitution guaranteed individual freedom of speech

Germans are entitled to free expression of opinion in word, writing, print, image, etc. This right cannot be obstructed by job contract, nor can exercise of this right create a disadvantage. Censorship is prohibited. (Article 118)

In fact this guarantee was one of the few points of similarities between the Pre-nazi german republic, and the United States of the time. Actually the Germans were ahead of the US on this one, as the Sedition Acts were still very much in palce...

Your history is bad.

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Censorship of hate speech is an unconditional surrender to hate. [View all] True Blue Door May 2015 OP

k&r beam me up scottie May 2015 #1

I oppose criminalizing hate speech, but cali May 2015 #2

Should the RCC/Westboro Baptists be held responsible for anti-lgbt hate crimes? beam me up scottie May 2015 #3

As you know, any mention of Phelps or the Pope sends this crew packing, she will never even try Bluenorthwest May 2015 #33

If a muslim kills someone and says the Koran commanded it would you ban the Koran CBGLuthier May 2015 #4

Every power is double-edged. True Blue Door May 2015 #5

Using your logic they should be rounding up the clerics and other Islamic scholars Lee-Lee May 2015 #27

The people guilty are the people who shot people with guns. Shoulders of Giants May 2015 #38

Imminence. Incitement isn't what many are thinking it is. n/t X_Digger May 2015 #34

Do you consider being free to use a city's bus service to promote hate "censorship"? Scootaloo May 2015 #6

Everyone has an equal right to the public space. True Blue Door May 2015 #7

Do you believe being free to put ads on buses constitutes censorship, or not? Scootaloo May 2015 #8

Only if the limits are imposed by law and are politically selective. True Blue Door May 2015 #10

So no, Gellar is not being censored. Scootaloo May 2015 #11

. beam me up scottie May 2015 #13

No one is being censored there, are they? No Free speech is being infringed, is it? Scootaloo May 2015 #15

I posted a link to an op re: banning hate speech so you'd know what inspired the op. beam me up scottie May 2015 #16

In response to me asking where someone was being censored Scootaloo May 2015 #18

No, they're free to express their extremely wrong-headed ideas about the 1st Amendment. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #20

I didn't alert on that op, did you? beam me up scottie May 2015 #21

No, not me. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #24

Agreed. Like people who imagine censorship where there is none Scootaloo May 2015 #25

The topic of criminalizing hate speech was raised earlier. True Blue Door May 2015 #14

"As for your Putin-esque attempts to Godwinize liberalism" Scootaloo May 2015 #17

Floating the specter of Nazism doesn't work when the main reason it failed True Blue Door May 2015 #26

You're the one raising naziism first off Scootaloo May 2015 #29

I mentioned Nazism to deflate it as an argument I knew someone like you would raise. True Blue Door May 2015 #32

Great post about the Weimar constitution Pooka Fey May 2015 #39

Scholars have written volumes on the subject, there are hours of documentary footage available Pooka Fey May 2015 #37

I'm aware of the history, and of people's attempts to rewrite it for ideological purposes. True Blue Door May 2015 #41

Let me analyse just one sentence of your above post, because I only have 45 minutes. Pooka Fey May 2015 #42

France had a resistance movement. Germany had a few random people defying Hitler True Blue Door May 2015 #44

Stating that a German Resistance existed does in NO WAY condone or excuse the evil of the 3rd Reich Pooka Fey May 2015 #45

The scholarship on the subject is massive because the need to find humanizing details True Blue Door May 2015 #47

Fine...however without consequences hate speeches lead into actions. vaberella May 2015 #9

All speech has consequences. Not all speech leads to actions. True Blue Door May 2015 #12

I'm not convinced the metro bus system couldnt have other options for regulating ads than Warren DeMontague May 2015 #19

But is it censorship to have those ads? Scootaloo May 2015 #22

Oh ffs. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #23

I try to restrain my pissed-offness for things that are actually happening Scootaloo May 2015 #28

I didn't say she was being censored. Neither did the OP. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #30

Is it? Scootaloo May 2015 #31

I watched Straight Religious people stage hundreds and hundreds of attacks on LGBT funerals while Bluenorthwest May 2015 #36

It's different because it's offensive to religious people, Blue. beam me up scottie May 2015 #46

Uh, hardly, dude. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #43

the sake of argument ellennelle May 2015 #35

I'm aware that rational argument is insufficient, but it is definitely indispensable. True Blue Door May 2015 #40